• Muneeb Ahmad

    Yay, my post featured in this weeks SB comments, fatastic baby! See what I did there? kekekeke! :D

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=750740725 Sabrina Muslima Shaw

      I don’t mean to offend, but I don’t think your comment deserved to be on this article. You showed utter ignorance about the Jpop scene and generalized everything together, along with posting your opinion as facts ~

      • Muneeb Ahmad

        Ignorance? I was merely stating my opinions and what I THINK to be the obvious positives and short-comings of the J-pop scene. Nothing is represented as facts, if I did I would have provided evidence as I have done so in the past.

        Perhaps I should have made that clearer and perhaps the part about the tacky outfits shouldn’t have generalized so much but everyone else seemed to understand, so I don’t see why you have a problem, if you did you could easily have said so when I originally posted it. Certainly after re-reading the post I don’t see why you are so concerned with what I have said. Perhaps you could elaborate further? Otherwise I don’t understand what you’re trying to get at. Sorry. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=750740725 Sabrina Muslima Shaw

          Well, since you started your comment by stating your obvious dislike of J-Pop, I think you were being pretty biased, but that’s your own preference, so I have no beef with that. However, this paragraph quite irked me, as a J-Pop fan:

          ” As for J-pop, well like I said, that hasn’t got a hope in hell of
          achieving outside fame. I hate to say it but their naming for bands is
          terrible and their dress sense is really off putting. I mean REALLY off
          putting. For a country which is obsessed with designer goods you’d think
          that it would translate to their entertainment industry but apparently
          not, just more suits or tacky school girl outfits.”

          1) Who are you to say that they don’t have any hope of achieving outside fame? They are not even looking to expand outside. Their music industry is far more than enough for them. So basically that’s a pretty redundant point, because no one said they were looking to expand outside. Also JPop and Jrock does get adequate recognition and fame outside of Japan, even though they don’t promote anywhere.
          2) The naming of bands part was also hypocritical, as a few commentors pointed out. Terrible compared to what? Also what does names have to do with the quality of bands? And please tell me why so hypocritical especially when Kpop is not known for the best of band names?
          3) Again, generalizing the fashion of the entire industry. It seems like to you, Jpop=AKB48 or Morning Musume. Well its not, actually. There are successful soloists along with groups like Exile and Sandaime Jsoul Brother, not to mention a thriving JRock industry. Soloists like Koda Kumi and Namie Amuro are known for influencing fashion trends throughout Japan and Asia. Who are you to say that they have bad fashion? Groups like AKB only form like 20% of the music industry. And what exactly makes school dress a terrible fashion?  What standards did you use to judge that? It seems like your post was full of pre-standing bias and slight ignorance of the entire music industry of Japan, along with assuming that they actually have any interest of expanding outside Japan.

          “if you did you could easily have said so when I originally posted it.”

          I did comment on the original article, but I got no response.

          • Muneeb Ahmad

            I didn’t see your comment on the original article. I feel you’re getting worked up over OPINIONS. Like I said these aren’t facts this is what I THINK. You are free to have a mature discussion about them but if you want to make it out as if I am suggesting J-pop is a pile of rubbish and/or being overly judgmental then you’re completely mistaken. I have NOTHING against Japan or the Japanese entertainment industry. 

            1) That is the Japanese way, to be focused on internal growth. However perhaps you may have not noticed but the Japanese economy has been in STAGNATION for nearly two decades! Looking inwards has been a big problem for Japanese business who are only now trying to fix this error (too little too late perhaps?). Koreans are moving at a faster pace in reaching towards a international audience but like I said in my post and on another SeoulBeats discussion, even K-Pop will continue to struggle with this point until they make drastic changes. This is something where I feel both sides are going about it the wrong way and therefore I am not being biased against J-pop, which does have recognition worldwide but certainly doesn’t have much fame in recent years.

            2) I did not suggest that the naming of the bands was detrimental to their performance or quality. I just found them to be slightly weird compared to Korean naming which yes can be odd sometimes too. Its no biggie, just my opinion.  

            3) I wasn’t generalizing about the entire fashion industry, did you miss the point where I said “a country which is obsessed with designer goods” I know that Japanese fashion is usually great and I love it as much as I love Korean fashion. I just PERSONALLY wasn’t too impressed with what I had seen of J-pop fashion whether it be the (shockingly inappropriate) bikini outfits from AKB48 or the boring plain suits from Kis-My-Ft2. Sometimes they do get it right, like with the girl-group Fairies which had a nice colorful, casual look to their upcoming single ‘No More Distance’. 

            Frankly I don’t think anything I will say will make you understand so I don’t have any desire to carry on this conversation with yourself. Feel free to take this post as you wish.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=750740725 Sabrina Muslima Shaw

             ”bikini outfits from AKB48 or the boring plain suits from Kis-My-Ft2.”

            I stopped reading there tbqh. Lol.

          • Muneeb Ahmad

            I wasn’t going to bother replying as I said before but your recent post says it all , as I had suspected. Your approach to discussions reeks of the whole fan-girl attitude. Stopped reading because you didn’t agree? Found it laughable? What exactly stopped you from reading? Why bother asking a question or expecting a reply if this is how you’ll react? If one is going to bother having a mature debate about something then they should at least acknowledge other peoples opinions and differences/similarities in those opinions and should at least attempt to make a decent attempt at engaging in the topic.  You have not done any of that and yet I still had the respect to carefully and clearly reply to your posts, it’s a shame you can’t return the same respect and effort. I that you genuinely misunderstood my original post but now you’ve pretty much shown it to be otherwise. You should also check my previous posts before assuming what I do/don’t think of Korean fashion, K-pop or otherwise. Thankfully most posters here don’t act like you do. Please go back to allkpop. This is a site for mature discussions. ;)

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=750740725 Sabrina Muslima Shaw

             Nah, it was funny because you obviously base Jpop fashion on TWO groups? When there are a LOT more soloists and groups who have excellent fashion? ;) How does my opinion “reek” of fangirl attitude? If you look at it logically, all I’m asking you to do is to stop generalizing, and also refrain from making statements like “Jpop will never succeed in the west” because they don’t even need to.

            “You should also check my previous posts before assuming what I do/don’t think of Korean fashion, K-pop or otherwise.”

            I honestly don’t care what your opinions are on Kpop or Kfashion. I’m more interested into your comment on the previous article. And don’t try to act like I’m the only one calling you out for generalizing. If I recall, 3-4 people had made different comments regarding that comment of yours, and I don’t mean comments agreeing with it.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, I will wait for SB to write an article about Exo’s song and MV but I just have to say it here since the front picture demands it… Everything in the song and MV It’s so freaking Lolastic that I’m still laughing my ass off, even after watching it like 20 times…
    ! Hello Kung Fu Panda with the voice of Morgan Freeman and Kai doing the “I am a madman and I like it” move LOL!

    Edit: Do not forget the the Anonymus part! I still wait for an Anonymus mask to pop out from nowhere!

    • Anonymous

       Great! I wasn’t the only one who thought of Kung Fu Panda LOL! XD

      • Anonymous

         I was torn between Kung Fu Panda and LOTR with a slight Avatar but yeah, KFP won! LOL

    • http://twitter.com/KristyHearts_05 Kristina

      LMFAO! I like this comment. MAMA made me laugh so much! I literally replayed the part where KAi was screaming like 20 times! Morgan Freeman…so that’s why that voice sounded so familar.

      • Anonymous

        then you will like this: Epicness! LOL
        http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m249skiOuV1qd3xz3o1_500.gif

        Ps:Bring it on Illuminati! “grabs popcorn and waiting for the post in SB and the following comments to appear” This is going to be Fantastic! LOOL

        • http://twitter.com/KristyHearts_05 Kristina

          Oh my god….LMAO! Pass the popcorn! xD

    • Anonymous

      I have not yet crossed over to Exo fandom here at Seoulbeats :P but I am also waiting impatiently for an article to come up about the hot mess that was their music video xD

  • Anonymous

    intheshort here,

    Had a mini heart attack when I saw that my comment was featured. Am very honored yet scared at the same time…

    I have received comments regarding my usage of the word “exotic” and it seems as if people believe me to be arguing for more “exotic” portrayals of Asian women. This is not true. 

    My main points were:
    1) an MV should be able to be special featuring anyone of any race; it should not depend on the race of its constituents to stand out
    2) I feel as if Asians are underrepresented in American media, and appreciate KPop because it does feature Asian people 

    Thank you to Ree for featuring my comment, and thank you to MAR_M3anie for her enlightening response regarding my post. 

  • Anonymous

    I made it mom! I made it! :)

  • Anonymous

    Bravo!!! to Minnie_B, your comment is so spot on, specially the last paragraph:
    “TLDR: Give entertainers crap music and you’ll get crap fans that compete
    over nothing to try to give their biases SOME form of respect since
    their music/talent can’t speak for themselves. Produce kick-ass work,
    and then genuine and long-lasting admiration will follow from both your
    peers and your listeners, and then your fangirls won’t have to argue
    pathetically for your case.”

    • Anonymous

      Why thank you ^^ I feel like somebody had to say it!

  • http://twitter.com/Laava90 Lava

    How did people not realise Parvati and Padma Patel were Indian? And that Cho Chang was Asian?? It’s in the name, how ignorant can people be…?

    • Anonymous

      Seriously but actually I know one person who actually thought Cho Chang was white until she watched the movie…I was like to her “how can you not know she wasn’t asian? Didn’t her name give away that she was of Chinese descent?” and she was all ” but the book made it so ambiguous” …All I could do was stare at her hard and say “I’m judging you so hard right now ….O_O….”

      • http://twitter.com/Laava90 Lava

        Oh my goodness, are you serious? The BOOK made it ambiguous?? The name is in the book looool oh my gosh!! I can’t actually believe people like this exist on the earth!! And for people that got confused about Padma and Pavarti the surname Patel is one that can hardly be mistaken for any other race, it’s one of the most common surnames, I when I was in school in my entire year there were at least 40 Patels and a bunch of the teachers were also Patel. These kind of names are pretty much general knowledge, I could understand if with Cho Chang she was one of the chinese people who also used an english name, but jk rowling kept it pretttyyyyyy simple, Cho Chang is easy enough to spot as an Asian name at the very least even if you couldn’t recognise that it’s Chinese. 
        Ok I actually blame my own ignorance of other peoples ignorance now. X___X

        • Anonymous

          Yeah the girl I know is pretty ignorant and dumb as a brick…Most of my coworkers can’t stand her because she is so dumb, ignorant and racist. She hasn’t done anything so far to get reported but her ignorance and stupidity makes me and my coworkers wonder how she even got a job with us in the first place. 

          When she read the books she had no clue that Cho Chang was Asian. She didn’t even pay attention to chapter illustration drawing when Harry when on a date with Cho >_> I asked her ” Didn’t you even pay attention to the drawing illustration in the chapter where Harry went on a date with Cho?” and she was like “Their was a drawing of her?” Whenever I talk to her I mentally do a facepalm. 

          • http://twitter.com/eljinki 나디라

            LOL. Your friend is funny

    • Streby

      Though the book really made it obvious that the Patel sisters were Indian and Cho Chang was Chinese, I think Rowling just did that as a token to appease all the races. But thats just my opinion. 

      • http://twitter.com/Laava90 Lava

        I don’t think tbh, here in the UK there is really so much diversity in races in schools, and seeing as she was a teacher herself before she might have just been going off what she had seen in schools. I know that in my class in school at least a quarter of the class was indian/pakistani/sri lankan etc, and another lot were chinese/japanese loads of middle eastern kids and black kids, there’s a big mix in schools and she probably just went off the classes she’d already seen.

        • Streby

          No I understand how there are people of varied races in most nations but I still personally think it was token because of the fact that these characters are rather still stereotypes of their races, though I cannot vouch for Cho Chang, I definitely can for the Patel sisters. 

          In Rowling’s defense though, the book does get an extra reading in a country from the general public if there is a person who represents that nation. 

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  • Anonymous

    Wow, Ree, didn’t know you liked Kai that much.

    • Gil_SB

      She finds him attractive apparently. 

      Kids these days ;)

      • http://colourmesplendid.wordpress.com Ree

        I’m not going to deny that. Kid gets my blood running. 

  • Anonymous

    “People are still arguing over Parvati/Padma Patil and Cho Chang inHarry Potter, as qouted “I never pictured them as Indian/Asian!”  ”

    What the actual fuck??

    “Minnie_B on Naega Chae Chalaga: The Culture of Comparing”
    This whole comment was priceless. 

    “But one thing I will say is that Japanese people love to watch the stars grow and mature with time, are a lot more closer to the fans without all this idol, anti-fans, etc. business that Korean like to pop out of nowhere with”
    I thought it was only my impression – there are certainly anti fans in Japan too, but you don’t hear of death threats or negative, bashing comments that often as you do in K-pop. J-pop have their fair amount of stalkers, but I haven’t heard of them going all the way like sasaeng did. 
    As for the “closeness” – I’m not sure – for one, K-pop idols basically live off variety shows. Their performances might be sparkly and in synch and perfect, but I dare say what draws in most of their fanbase for good, is that sense of coziness and closeness fans get when they watch them in so many shows. Japan doesn’t have that kind of thing. The J-pop bands I know of have landed some MC jobs in their own shows, but there are no tons of hilarious variety shows that appeal to a larger audience where idols are invited, no “reality” TV shows where they guest either, and there are no shows like We Got Married, Hello Baby, Full House, etc, where you see the idols do the most mundane things. (But the thing is, it’s exactly that feeling~~ of “knowing” your idol so well that often leads to obsessive and unhealthy perspectives and behavior.)
    One thing I remember though, and that has completely won my heart, was in 2010 – when Kat-tun lost a member and became more close than ever – at their concerts, they asked all fans to hold hands with them and raise them, shouting all “we are KAT-TUN”. Now that gave the best impression of unity imo. 
    But how close is the band to its fanbase, it’s up to them to form and secure that relationship, and I’m sure every band has their own methods.

    • Muneeb Ahmad

      But the problem is that so much of the K-Ent stuff is scripted that whilst K-Pop stars are out and about promoting themselves in a variety of ways and formats, how much of that is their natural self and how much of it is a scripted, rehearsed act put on? Its so hard for me to get involved with K-pop stars after finding out that they actually script stuff, we just don’t do that in the West (well certainly not Britain anyway!). 

      • Anonymous

        I’m not saying what idols show on tv is their real selves, thus people fall deeper in love with them. I think people choose to believe what they see on tv and take that for granted. They develop that emotional connection with idols because of those shows. A lot probably wouldn’t even care about idols, had there not been that connection: I had a couple of discussions with my friend on this topic – she likes or responds to certain idols in a better way, because she “knows” more about them and likes what she sees. Honestly I don’t take what I see for granted either way, especially when a lot of times shows are scripted, like you said, or they act in certain ways to preserve their images untainted. :)
        The scripting thing has gotten to be ridiculous sometimes, I don’t know why they’re so keen on doing it. Like in the recent We Got Married episodes when 4 SJ members went on “blind” dates and they were all like “OMG, WE’RE HAVING A BLIND DATE RN AT 8 AM? WE HAVEN’T PREPARED ANYTHING !!11!” and you see them minutes later pulling out musical instruments and banners and nunchunks and Idk what else. Lol.
        But anyway, in the end, it seems it’s up to anyone to believe what they see. I guess most choose to believe.

        • Muneeb Ahmad

          I agree with that, well put. ^_^ 

          • Anonymous

            Thank you ^^ *hi5*

    • Anonymous

      Priceless in a good way or a bad way? Hehe.

      • Anonymous

         Nooo, priceless in the best way possible. Loved every word :D

        • Anonymous

          Thanks very much :D

  • Anonymous

    I just want to touch on for the people who are a little surprised that people would say,  “I never pictured them as _________!”  ” who have read certain books like Harry Potter/Hunger Games and would basically whitewash a character in their mind who is definitely described as POC’s in books, then get surprised when the movies come out.

    Parvati/Padma Patil and Cho Chang in Harry Potter-
    http://stopwhitewashing.tumblr.com/post/16974689599/harrypotterconfessions-for-example-i-whitewash

    Rue/Cinna from the Hunger Games-
    http://www.racialicious.com/2012/03/27/update-racist-hunger-games-fans-are-still-racist/#more-21389

    As Hunger Games Tumblr’s author observed, these types of entitled outlooks:

    “Here’s what scares me…

    All these… people… read the Hunger Games. Clearly, they all fell in love
    with and cared about Rue. Though what they really fell in love with was
    an image of Rue that they’d created in their minds. A girl that they
    knew they could love and adore and mourn at the thought of knowing that
    she’s been brutally killed.

    And then the casting is revealed (or they go see the movie) and they’re
    shocked to see that Rue is black. Now… this is so much more than, “Oh,
    she’s bigger than I thought”. The reactions are all based on feelings of
    disgust.

    These people are MAD that the girl that they cried over while reading the
    book was “some black girl” all along. So now they’re angry. Wasted
    tears, wasted emotions. It’s sad to think that had they known that she
    was black all along, there would have been so sorrow or sadness over her
    death.

    There are MAJOR TIE-INS to these reactions and the injustices that we see
    around the world today. I don’t even need to spell it out because I know
    that you’re all a smart bunch.”

    • Anonymous

      seriously… do these people actually listen to them selves? 
      It’s just so irritating that people don’t understand the most beautiful thing about America is that the default color isn’t white, that every race is present on our lands yet even today people are under the impression that WHITE is the only beautiful, that WHITE is the color you turn to when you read a book…

      Whitewashing is like leaving a canvas blank, sure it looks pretty and clean but it looks far more incredible when you add diverse colors to the mix.

      though on  a side note I hadn’t actually thought Rue was black, I actually thought she was Mexican… I mean they described her has dark skinned with curly haired and I automatically thought of my best friends daughter who’s Mexican and fit that description… that’s usually how my mind works though, I picture people I know when I read books… like Katniss, I actually pictured her looking like my best friend (the one with the “Rue” daughter I mentioned before) so IDK, people picture people how they want to picture people- sometimes it’s so set in their minds that when it does come out that that person is represented differently it takes them time to except it… 

      still don’t understand how people could get confused over the Patil twins and Cho Chang’s ethnicity, I mean just read their last names for crying out loud, it’s OBVIOUS -.- but of course, I mean why would anyone put a different race then white in their book!

  • Anonymous

    AWW my comment got picked! :’) Thanks for acknowledging it, sometimes I think I annoy people with my long tirades. Teehee.

  • http://twitter.com/IsolaValentine Nat – DSQ ♥(。→‿←。)♥

    ” Lucy Liu is getting hate for being the new Watson in Sherlock Holmes” That was more because she was a woman thab because she was asian american. Which is just as bad tbh.