• Muneeb Ahmad

    Just my opinions and I don’t wish to offend anyone. :)

    I have to agree with the Korea Media Rating Board (KMRB). Asian societies are known to be quite conservative compared to Western societies anyway, and as a religious person, as much as I like K-Ent, there are some really obvious signs of raunchiness that are just unacceptable in my opinion. 

    Trouble Maker was one of the latest ones I can think of. Yes there are numerous contradicitions which should be sorted out and yes the Christian group probabaly should be doing better things with their time (although they are a religious group so what can one expect really?) but I do feel the entertainment industry WORLDWIDE has kind of disguised all this overly sexual stuff as ‘liberalism’ and ‘feminism’, two concepts I have nothing against what-so-ever but two concepts that are used an excuse for something that is growing much more inappropriate for younger viwers as they years go by. 

    Every country is under some kind of pressure, including England, which is where I live, to get some control and limits in place to stop younger viewers from being able to watch this material. Yes in the days of the Internet being everywhere there will inevitably be a workaround but we should still at least try in the non-digital world to limit what I feel is really unacceptable marketing and content and shameful that entertainment and marketing companies have consistently for the most got away with doing this even though a lot of people, religious AND non-religious find it worrying and totally inappropriate.

    • Anonymous

      “but I do feel the entertainment industry WORLDWIDE has kind of disguised all this overly sexual stuff as ‘liberalism’ and ‘feminism’, two concepts I have nothing against what-so-ever but two concepts that are used an excuse for something that is growing much more inappropriate for younger viwers as they years go by. ”
      I agree with you.

    • Anonymous

      I get what you’re saying, but in this case it’s restricting choice, not exposure. There’s a difference between not letting people who can understand Lady Gaga’s image and message being denied access to her stuff  and trying to restrict exposure of sexual things to children. On the sex/liberals thing, while some people may say this free sexual attitudes women have and freedom in the ways they can present themselves may be taken advantage of by the entertainment industry over here, its still a stride for women to be open about sexuality and have the freedom to present themselves however they want to. This is NOT the case in Korea. I’m not gonna get into it, but the way female idols are presented in Kpop- reread the article. she explains it well. I also like what Streby said about the sacred feminine thing. 

      Another important point to make is that they are putting an age limit on a concert for a foreign artist, and I feel that that’s a reflection of attitudes people have against free attitudes and liberal thinking of the West. I think the whole “Western culture is ruining us” attitude people have in other parts of the world thing isn’t a big concern in Korea, but it’s one of those things that came to play in this. I don’t know a lot about everyone in Korea’s attitude about homosexuality, but from what I’ve heard, many older people deny it exists and blame the West for it. 

    • Anonymous

      It’s simple. It’s called parents. Let them decide what their child can and cannot watch. Let the parents take responsibility for their children. Growing up..my mom controlled the TV and the internet and my access to it. Police your kids…let other people raise their kids how they want.

    • Anonymous

      So because you disagree with something then everyone should be forced to follow your standard? How is that fair? It’s called being a parent. If you don’t want your kids watching it then monitor your kids. How hard is that?

      • Muneeb Ahmad

        You clearly don’t understand what I was trying to say, please read my post again. And for the record the whole “parents need to be in better control of their kids” doesn’t wash with me. Parents can only do so much, they are NOT 24/7 CCTV systems designed to keep their kids in check all day round. Have you ever gone behind your parents back and done something? Probably, so have most people. Its easy to do so. Governments, public services and bodies, pressure groups etc. also need to have an active say in what goes on in order to HELP parents do their job. Both work in PARALLEL to one another. 

        • illerz

           I am sorry but I don’t think anyone has to do anything to help anyone raise their kid, Its not a right. Its either a privilege or a luxury to have help. Saying it like that really kind of irritates me. I didn’t ask anyone to have their kids so yeah.

          Sure kids go behind their parents backs, but that doesn’t mean its not the parent’s responsibility. If when that kid wasn’t being watch it broke something the parents would have to pay for it. We couldn’t go about saying someone else has to pay.

          If bring a child into the world, it is YOUR responsibility. And its HUGE one. I am not making light of that. But I think you should manage your kid and instill in them smarts and morals….all the stuff needed to be a good kid. Sure it won’t always work but you can’t go about taking away another parent’s right in an effort to control your own kid. You have the right to say what your kid is exposed to. You shouldn’t take away another person’s right to do the same.

  • Anonymous

    While I disagree with the KMRB, I’m not completely suprised. This is the same country that has openly gay celebrities I can count on my hand. They’re terribly conservative and resistant to new radicals. Ironically, I would bet money that a member of the board has a child under 18, yet identifies with Lady Gaga. Some of her video work does push the envelope, but it’s not porn. I believe she’s actually a good role model. She’s the idol of the LBGT community because she does what feels good to her, not what confined roles she thinks she has to play in society.

    It’s a shame that the KMRB doesn’t see this. They’re on a slippery slope though, too far one way and they’ll restricting free speech, to far the other and nothing will be restricted. I agree with the articles point though, give it to the parents to decide, as well as the children. At 17, I’ve made far more important decisions that what concert I should watch. It’s not public access, it’s a concert, paid with tickets. What they could’ve done was require the purchaser to be a guardian if the concert-goer under 18. Like a PG-13 movie or something.

  • Anonymous

    Why is Yoo Ah-In’s twitter tagged here? Sorry for being so random.

    • http://twitter.com/rentrule12 ana

       he doesn’t like that it was banned

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  • Anonymous

    I really like Korean dramas and some music and I would like to visit Korea too but TBH more I know about Korea more I´m convinced we wouldn´t get along well. I´m not sure how to express myself correctly in English but to me Korea seems to struggle to find a balance between traditions and all those democratic rules  and has hard time to open up to other cultures and different points of view (in similar way as some Muslim countries). So I´m not really surprised about this dichotomy at all.

    • Anonymous

      There is a struggle between traditions and modernity in every country and different countries have different values. I do for example support gay marriage but that doesn’t mean I’m not travel to countries where gays are not alowed to marry. So I’m not going remove South Korea from my to do list just because they ban Lady Gaga concerts for those < 18.  

      • Anonymous

        I believe people always look at other countries and cultures through their own culture and values. It´s natural. I didn´t mean I wouldn´t visit other countries just because I don´t feel we share the same values (as that I wouldn´t travel much at all), what I mean is that I most probably wouldn´t choose Korea as a place to live and raise my kids. It´s not about Lady Gaga and her concert at all :-)) 

    • Anonymous

      This balancing act between tradition and non-tradition,called “culture war” in US, have been going on everywhere where there is social/economic/political dynamism.      The reasons American culture war is not as prominent, not in any order:
      1) we accept everything American more readily than anything Korean
      2) We, especially us kpop followers, just see more of it from SK.
      3) American media is better at hiding/disguising its internal cultural conflict/inconsistency than SK.

      ( I actually think SK does fairly good job of adopting.  Kpop, for example.  Basically it’s an amalgamation of many different strand of pop music around the world… but that deserves a whole article of its own.)

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for you reply. I´m from Central Europe so your point of view is very interesting for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1071962332 Damia Bakhtiar

    well i kinda agree with the korean gov on putting the age limit to lady gaga’s concert since one of her songs really have the satanic/negative image but if the korean gov can do that to her, then why not to their own celebrities? i mean, in my opinion, korean celebrities dresses way sexier than any of the hollywood celebs. true, hollywood celebs do dress sexy but in an appropriate/ formal way like when they wear a dress, it’s not too short like sistar’s so cool short

    • Anonymous

      Judas is not satanic. So it’s a song with religious themes? So what? Just because one person disagrees with it doesn’t mean it has to be restricted to others. Why can’t you and all the people who don’t want to see it or don’t want their children to just not go? And then let all the people and their children who do want to go enjoy themselves? How hard is it?

      This is what I don’t get about conservative or religious people.

  • Streby

    This reminds me of a concept we learned while doing a critical reading of ‘To Kill A Mockingbird’. Apparently in the South of the 1930s, there was this whole ‘sacred feminine’ concept that was the underlying cause for much racial injustice. This concept basically felt the the Southern woman was ‘sacred’ and ‘pure’ and those who dared touch her and sully the innocence in her were not (this was mainly aimed at the Negro community as it was the prevalent attitude of the time that they were not to be trusted around their women). But ironically enough, it was the same men who wished for the ‘sacred female’ to remain that way were the ones who abused her, and treated her in a degrading manner

    I dont know exactly how but I feel like what is happening in Korea today is sort of similar. Its not similar in the Negro-abusing-them-myth part but it seems like it is in the part about hypocritically deciding on one end that women are ‘innocent’ and their sexuality needs to be protected and practically promoting male sexuality at the same time, and on the other end of the spectrum, allowing blatant ‘degradation’ of the so-called pureness of the female by allowing choreography and outfits that are mentioned in the article to even exist.

    Its awfully hard to point fingers because there is rarely one person to blame but its still funny that the guys banning this stuff are probably promoting it somewhere, somehow. And besides, when you ban something, it kind of adds to its value as it has an underlying ‘bad-ass factor’ attached to it.

  • http://twitter.com/rentrule12 ana

    my main issue with the banning is this statement
    “Our Christian community needs concerted action to stop young people from being infected with homosexuality and pornography,” the Korean Association of Church Communication said in a statement.
    even though they say it was banned for the sexual references i believe this one of the reason

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Streby

      I’m with you on this one. If you’re going to ban it, ban it for some other reason. 

    • Anonymous

      “infected”? as in, homosexuality is an infectious disease? plz tell me that’s not what they mean.
      Either way, I’d like to see them ban concerts where the idols kiss or engage in some other forms of fanservice next time, too. 

      • Anonymous

        im pretty sure thats exactly what they meant……sad

      • Anonymous

        Oh that is what they mean.

        A lot of people who are homophobes think that young people hearing positive messages about gay people makes them turn gay

        • Anonymous

          That’s seriously crazy. At best, they could just turn pro-gay and all, but gay…? 

    • Anonymous

      Oh mark no words the fact that she promotes glbt rights is why it was banned. I have no doubts at all. They don’t want the young people of Korea to hear it’s okay to be gay.

  • Anonymous

    Oh dear. I don’t have enough words in my vocabulary to express how enraging this sounds.

    This “HyunA‘s “Bubble Pop” choreography is declared too racy for public broadcast, but SISTAR‘sHyorin and Bora are permitted and even encouraged to do a “sexy chair dance” on a variety show for the express delight of their “uncle fans” ”
    WAIT, WHAT? – my reaction. Not a fan of either Hyorin or Hyuna but this is irritating.

    “aegyo, cutesy behavior, and acting/dressing/waving around a lollipop like a child are seen as totally fine no matter how old you are (indicating that Korean men want…someone with the body of a full-grown woman, but with the face and personality of a child?)”
    I seriously don’t understand the hype over cutesy/aegyo gestures in S.K. (and Japan too, but not sure if it is to the same extent). Imo these men like the “childish”, submissive characters (kind of like the highschool-uniform fantasy). 
    Tbh I feel like puking each time I see a woman do aegyo like it’s some sort of a natural, admirable talent, and she goes all “oppaaa~~” which seems to be very tantalizing to men’s ears. 

    “Taecyeon rips his shirt off during a concert, it’s completely fine because he has chocolate abs.”
    Have there been instances where certain male idols were scolded for such “inappropriate” behaviour? Kind of like how Hyorin wasn’t, whereas Hyuna was? If not, maybe they are more lenient towards male celebrities. That aside, being half naked for a man isn’t unusual. (And if they ought to be banned for ripping their shirts off, I expect same thing happened to girls who wear shorts and miniskirts). But a provocative choreography and even male-to-male fanservice, yes. I don’t see why those shouldn’t be banned as well, when such things as Lady Gaga’s concerts are considered unsuitable for minors.

    Also, those last 2 photos – are they for real? orz.

    Oh and I just watched the Chocolat video and I wonder why is the song so familiar-sounding? 
    Anyway, these and the f(x) members are indeed underaged girls shaking their stuff for millions to watch, but I doubt they feel (that) bad for it. Most girls that age want to feel feminine, want to be all grown, beautiful and sexy. Especially in our period of time, where physical beauty and sex-appeal are highly promoted. Face it, which one of us didn’t want to try thick make-up and dress more “maturely” and who didn’t shake their asses at 16 like Minzy? I know I did (true, it was only during our only-girls “parties”, but even so). It’s natural for an adolescent girl to want all that and act like that, and this is where parents need to interfere and inflict some good values and morality before it’s too late. So I’d blame the parents in this case. I, for one at least, wouldn’t like my kid be the object of men’s fantasies around the country.

    • Streby

      I totally agree with the last part. Almost every girl I know, even the most tomboyish has gone through a phase of wanting to be feminine and even though most of them pass it (I’m glad I did!), its one of those things that is bound to happen.

  • Bunthoeun Has

    The kpop industry is strife with contradictions.
    I feel as if its the younger generation fighting against the older generation.

  • Anonymous

    I love this article because I’ve been thinking the same thing since forever. I think South Korea have a mindset of how sexuality can be used that I can’t understand (maybe is the western in me). It’s like the only way you can be sexy is if you disguise it with a child behavior, like you said. Since I’ve been attracted to kpop, this is one of the things that I sometimes find disturbing (that and the ‘uncle fans’ that come with all that behavior).

    For me, if a girl wants to owned her sexuality, go ahead, but this is not the case with kpop. I don’t think you own your sexuality dancing with pom-poms and acting like a 10 year old. I mean, sometimes I feel bad for SNSD. Those girls are put in the stage, acting sexy with all this ‘cosplay’ going on… only for the ‘uncle fans’. But, at the same time, they can’t even have kissing scenes in the dramas without having the same ‘uncle fans’ throwing a tantrum.

    COME ON!

    Is like they are saying “By sexy, dance for us in those costumes, but don’t be a woman.”

    That’s sad.

  • Anonymous

    ITA with this article.  It should be up to the parents to decide what their children can and cannot handle.  I also agree that the hypocrisy is astounding.  I was watching Music Core a couple of weeks ago and I finally saw what all the fuss was about when it came to Chocolat.  It makes no sense that these censors get upset with a girl who’s legally a woman gyrating on stage (Hyuna), or an adult male and an adult female sexy dancing together, but they have no problem with a 14 year old girl doing this with a grown man, or underage girls dancing like this period.  I’ve seen more than enough variety shows where underage girls have had to do their little dances in their short shorts and short skirts for older guys who are in some cases old enough to be their fathers, so I also don’t know where all this preservation of innocence is supposedly coming from.  Hands down most of the kids who would have been going to this concert have probably seen far worse than this via the internet so I doubt anything Lady Gaga would do would be all that shocking to them.  I’m sure they’ve probably already see already seen all her videos too.  So if the KMRB and the KACC think these kids will be damaged by her concert’ the damage is already done.

    • Anonymous

      “underage girls have had to do their little dances in their short shorts and short skirts for older guys who are in some cases old enough to be their fathers”
      Not quite related but this reminded me of Idol Army (or something) – one of the hosts was an ex-idol in his 30s and he was flailing about this 15 year-old girl and tried to be paired up with her (not sure, from Kara, I think) – the way he kept going at her, even bared his chest while she kept covering her face, was kind of disturbing. Or maybe Koreans have a different sense of humor that I failed to get.

  • Anonymous

    i also agree that is up to their parents to decide, not some religious group.

  • susanne.snus

    I know this is out of context, but in Denmark you can legally have sex when you’re 15, sooo.. Yearh, sexy choreography when you’re 15+ doesn’t seem so harmful to me xD If it’s done probably; those idols that TRY to be sexy and fails is just painful to watch XD

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORSXPERTNAEPCKZBGEZMP7A3NU Bianca

    I don’t think it’s about the sex. It’s probably about the “Judas” video, you know. In a country where homosexuality is not even acknowledged as not part of their religion, that MV was probably just straight sacrilegious. I’m not saying I agree, but that’s probably why the CHURCH Association is all up in arms.

    • Anonymous

      Oh I know it’s her promoting glbt rights and a tad bit something like the Judas that offends them.

  • goldengirl_rock4ever

    i dont think someone would be so eager to go to a Lady Gaga’s concert if they dont know what theyll see— for me, the best way of promoting something is BANNING IT… if they say theyll ban this or that video im more than sure that video would be the most searched topic of the day… the whole banning system is a JOKE as theyre biased and they ban who they want to ban… i remember when they banned GD&TOP for using slang and even Sunny Hill’s “Pray” MV for its “abussive nature”— i was dumbfounded… so an artistic video with a PLOT and a MESSAGE of not judging a book for its cover in both ways has an “abussive nature”? people making MVs with 14 years old girls doing sexy dances to attract grown men… THATS what i call abussive in my dictionary…

    when I first watched T-ara’s Bo Peep Bo Peep MV and it said people under 19 couldnt watch it.. i was like: wasnt Jiyeon like 16 years old back then?! so she cant watch her own video? and it happens all the time… I dont really like the whole overly sexual image but if theyre going to ban then BAN Everyone for it, -including BOY GROUPS- if not then leave everyone ALONE…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mishka-Moncrieffe/544916778 Mishka Moncrieffe

      This^. I am always so confused by the concept that these underage girls and boys can be sexual in a way that they are supposed to be protected from. I also don’t understand how grown women dressed in lolita fashion can be okay. Pretend all you want that you are marketed to children but everyone knows the truth.

  • Anonymous

    This article highlights an interesting point. The MOGEF and KMRB seem inconsistent in their banning of material, but if you look at their methods through the lens of sexual autonomy, I think it becomes crystal clear. The conservative groups and censor boards of Korea do not want to promote sexual autonomy. They don’t mind overtly sexual things if they are pandering to the male gaze (or their gaze, seeing as most of these groups consist of old men) but they will all out ban any act that shows a woman asserting her own sexuality. This is what I believe is the difference between what they go out of their way to ban and what they let slide. One of the largest threats to patriarchal societies is a woman being able to control her desires and have agency. 
    Even though the sexuality Hyuna portrayed in Bubble Pop was calculated by a greedy corporation, Hyuna still seems to be in control of what she’s doing. She sells the image of someone in charge of her own body in the video, whether or not she appeals to everyone. This is more threatening to the conservatives of Korea than a video of young girls being coerced to do things for men, or uncle-fans. The latter is okay because it fits in with their expectations of what girls should do, which is to listen and serve men’s desires. 

    So when they saw that Lady Gaga was coming over to show them how it’s done, they just had to banhammer her. Nothing about her is demure, and her control of her own body is what triggered them to do it. Sadly, the members of the KMRB are probably giving each other high-fives thinking that they have done their job of saving society. 

  • http://twitter.com/_yoominz michelle

    This is an absolute joke. I cannot understand why a country which allows teenagers as young as 14, 15 to debut and perform in skimpy outfits and choreography that is more often that not suggestive, has banned a Lady Gaga concert. 
    Need I remind you that under 18′s in Korea are exposed to KPop in all it’s suggestive dancing and lyrics galore on a daily basis. This concert? It’ll be a few hours at most. I hardly doubt a few hours watching Lady Gaga spread messages about independence and freedom (and ok, dance provocatively and in skimpy outfits) is going to corrupt anyone more than what the weekly showing of Music Bank etc. are. The Government need to realise that most of their youngsters are ‘corrupted’ anyway. 

  • http://twitter.com/Laava90 Lava

    Ok this is probably a really unpopular opinion considering the comments before mine, but I actually agree that there should be an age ban on a lady gaga show. Come on it’s lady gaga? I’m 21 and live in london which is hardly a conservative country and lady gaga makes me feel uncomfortable just watching one of her music videos,kids below 18 years old should not be going to one of her shows, I’m sure there are plenty of over 18 year olds to fill up the seats but I for one would not be ok with my 14 and 16 year old sisters going out to a lady gaga show and watch her prance around in underwear. At the same time I definetly agree with the article in terms of what’s being said about this in relation to everything that the younger idols do and show on tv, and those things should definetly be restricted also and I find it awful how they encourage underage girls to perform in skimpy outfits and perform according to ‘uncle fans’ tastes. In my opinion, the korean government/organisations need to definetly put restrictions in place for all those younger idols, but the restriction on lady gaga and making it 18+ is definetly a good thing in my opinion. Besides wasn’t Jay Park’s concert restricted to 19+? So why the fuss about Lady Gaga’s showcase being limited to 18+?

    • Anonymous

      So just because you feel uncomfortable means that everyone’s children must obey to your rules?

      • http://twitter.com/Laava90 Lava

        Did I say they must obey to ‘my’ rules? Sorry but I’m not the one who enforced this age restriction, I’m just telling my opinion as everybody else is here.

        • Anonymous

          Well saying that if you had a daughter you wouldn’t allow her to go and that you agree with the ban pretty much says that you think everyone should follow your rules

          Huh. And I never said said you couldn’t.. 

    • Anonymous

      Ok, so you don’t want your 16 year old sister seeing it. What if there is a parent out there that don’t mind their child going or what to expose their child to reality or whatever. As a parent it is there right to monitor what their child is exposed to. And gaga isn’t doing anything illegal on her stage. And if a parent is ok with it, who are these self righteous religious folks telling them what to do.  No religious outlet should have the right to dictate that. I sincerely dislike people who think its ok to shove their beliefs down other people’s throat. If makes you uncomfortable then fine, restrict yourself and the people in your family. But don’t force yourself on others.

      And perhaps I am desenstized to sexual behavior because of what I see on t.v. but really to me its nothing. I am not agog. I don’t feel like a sex maniac. I know what sex is and see depictions on tv all the time growing up. And somehow I managed to grow up without becoming a sex addict or be completely tainted. But that is for another discussion.

      I think they should leave what is to be done to the parents because at the end of the day, whether kids lie to their parents about where they are going or not. Its a parent’s responsibility what happens to their child and/or what their child gets up to.

      • http://twitter.com/Laava90 Lava

        I definetly don’t agree to the fact that a religious group pressured them into putting the restriction, I definetly don’t think that a restriction like this should be due to a religious belief as it’s clear everybody does not share the same beliefs.  The fact is that there are age limits to all sorts of things whether it’s in the US, the UK or Asia or wherever, there are age limits to plenty of concerts just as there are to movies and on CD’s that you can buy in a shop. I’m also not saying it’s just down to the overly sexualised nature of her performances, other people here also mentioned other questionable things about her concerts. I’d like to add that I don’t dislike her music in anyway and some of it has even been on repeat for days on my itunes, but I can just see where people are coming from thinking to put an age limit you know? I wouldn’t expect anybody to become a ‘sex maniac’ as you’re saying just from a showcase or anything but there are things in the world that seem to be universally agreed upon by a lot of people that younger people should hold off on being exposed to. 
        And yes at the end of the day everything is down to your parents, but as I said there are age limits to all sorts of things out there because at the end of the day any child can rebel and age limits can be a help when it comes to that. Besides I don’t think Lady Gagas days will be over anytime soon, I’m sure she’l have plenty more concerts in the years to come so all those who can’t go this time will eventually have their chance right?
        I definetly am against the fact that it was a religious group that decided this though, I understand they could have some problems with what lady gaga depicts in her music videos and her songs, but as you said it’s not right to shove your beliefs down anybodys throat.

        • Anonymous

           I truly understand as a parent why people would not want to expose their children to certain things, such is their right. I completely understand it. But when this parent then goes and makes that decision for other parents I have a problem with that. Suppose this is a forward thinking liberal parent who think their kids seeing sexual things is not a bad thing. Because its a reality and they want their kids to know certain things. One thing I don’t agree with is parents who pretend sex doesn’t exist because then kids go about trying to find out what parents SHOULD have informed them about at some point. I’d say 14 to 15 is a reasonable age to start informing your kids and stop pretending sex doesn’t exist but this is my OWN personal opinion. I just think that at 17 I could have handled a gaga concert but again this would be up to my mother. A parent after all should know by now what their kid can handle (OR A SMALL INKLING). So if there is a korean omma who thinks their 16 year old can handle the concert, its a show after all. I don’t see what right these other people have to BAN. Ban your own child and not the child of someone else.

          I mean unless gaga started having real sex on her stage these days I don’t think the right should be taken away from individual parents. Its racy I am aware, and quite shocking but again kid wants to——Parent doesn’t think it is a danger to the child….

          Oh and banning kids I understand the logic. That way the parents who don’t want their children to go have a harder time sneaking in. But hey again….parental responsibility.

  • Anonymous

    I think the hypocrisy would lie if they DIDN’T ban her act from underage kids. Look, I’m all for the “it’s up to the parents” spiel too. However, in this day and age – kids can buy tickets to shows and their parents wouldn’t even know. I am one to attest to that (my parents do not approve of rock music – or gig hopping). So using that as your basis really doesn’t cut it with me.

    The issue here is that a religious group pressured the ban to be put in place. That in a nutshell is pretty appalling. If this was open to the public before them crying about Gaga’s stupid wardrobe then I feel sorry for the young(er) fans.

    Personally, I wouldn’t want my 16 year old kid to watch her show, never mind any kid younger than that, I’m not a prude or denying children’s right to see her falling off pianos. However, from what I gather she touches on topics that I wouldn’t want my kid to see. There is plenty of time for my kids to be messed up later without the assistance of Gaga.

    Though, the shock should not be exaggerated. There is hypocrisy in South Korean entertainment. They can’t keep it straight half the time, and crying about the kids makes me roll my eyes too. I may not like Gaga, but I do feel bad for her fans who where looking forward to the show. As murky as this whole thing is – a religious group or governing body should not have the right to tell me what I can and cannot see.

    At least she wasn’t banned.

    • Anonymous


      a religious group pressured the ban to be put in place”
      YES. That should never be allowed to happen. If religious groups pulled that shit up in America (they have, to a certain extent- pressured sponsors to leave Muslim reality show, tried to pressure jcpenny into firing ellen from her endorsement ), and got away with it and continued to do it, we’d live in a very bigoted, sexist, homophobic world. It’s the fucking principle. 

  • http://twitter.com/plushiesexual Angelina Dai

    It is pretty ridiculous…however honestly I’m not that surprised, Lady Gaga does some antics at her concerts that makes even some American teens uncomfortable (lots of fake blood etc) and much less has been banned in South Korea before.

    • Anonymous

      I agree.  Lady Gaga does some weird shit sometimes.  I don’t even understand it.  

    • Anonymous

      And how popular is violent video games and movies with young adults and teens today?

  • http://weeatlemon.blogspot.com conanblue

    If you compare Lady Gaga to K-pop, then it’s a bit unfair. I think Lady Gaga is way more provocative than any Korean idol out there. And the thing is, it’s not even about the sex. Some of her stuff is pretty gory. Her Born This Way music video still haunts my dreams. I think the main problem is the relation between her songs and the way she visually presents it. Lady Gaga can be considered an idol because her song materials can be easily related to teens. It’s about love, music, self-empowerment. At least her lead singles are, can’t comment much about her other songs. In terms of music, I see nothing wrong with it (besides the over-hype but I digress). Her music videos though, some of them are down right disturbing. It doesn’t even have anything to do with what she’s singing about. If you ask about inconsistency, that is it right there. If her concerts are anywhere near as visually disturbing as her music videos, then it’s better for kids to stay away unless they want to be traumatized. If she’s only wearing bathing suits and meat dresses but everything else is relatively normal, then I don’t see why not.

    But I do think it’s unfair to ban something because a religious group pressured them to do so. Religion is a private matter, and unless that government constitutes to a particular religion, they have no rights to prohibit or allow anything for the sake of any particular religion. Unless of course if it harasses or harms their religion and their people, then get right on to it. If that group doesn’t agree on a concert, they should just tell their people that they shouldn’t come. Why force everyone else into conforming with your beliefs? It’s totally unfair and downright selfish.

    • Anonymous

      How was the Born This Way music video disturbing? It alluded to being born. Of course it would be a bit messy

      • http://weeatlemon.blogspot.com conanblue

        Um, the birthing scenes? I get that the title is Born This Way, but it’s just… not right. It’s not a human baby at that but an alien thing. I don’t know about you, but to me right there is downright creepy. Then again I get creeped out easily, so it may differ from person to person.

  • Alexa Orduz

    “K-pop encourages its female performers to act sexy, but it’s calculated by the management that decides the choreography, the lyrics, the wardrobe, and the concept for their female idols.  And you know what, I’m just going to say it: when it comes to female idol groups, nearly everything is almost entirely done for the male gaze.  And don’t think people don’t know it.”

    YES. Exactly. The K-Pop machine is extremely obvious (at least to me, who reads a boat load of feminist and gender studies blog daily) in the way they market sexuality. Infantilized women catering to a distinctly male fantasy? Of course, that’s perfectly acceptable. Women showing confidence and control of their sexuality and image? Obscene! If they can’t exploit it for their own purposes, its not appropriate.

  • Anonymous

    Sigh I doubt this ban has to do with sexuality and more with the fact she “promotes homosexuality.” Can’t have the youth of Korea hearing it’s ok to be gay now. That would lead to the downfall of society.

    • http://twitter.com/rentrule12 ana

       i agree i am pretty sure that was the reason too

  • Anonymous

    All news sites and blogs I visited concerning this news indicated that the Christian groups’ reasons to pressure Hyundai Card was because Lady Gaga advocated homosexuality, was too sexual and mocked religious figures. There is no mention of other reasons (as speculated here in the comments). They actually wanted to CANCEL the concert, not just ban. 

    Interesting though, last time under 18 years old were banned to attend an international artist concert in South Korea was 7 years ago, when Marilyn Manson was in town.

    About the double standards of Korea’s attitude in this case, and their obvious confused notions on female sexuality, I think Germaine Greer would reason along these lines:

    “What happens is that the female is considered as a sexual object for the use and appreciation of other sexual beings, men. Her sexuality is both denied and misrepresented by being identified as passivity. The vagina is obliterated from the imagery of femininity in the same way that the signs of independence and vigour in the rest of her body are suppressed. The characteristics that are praised and rewarded are those of the castrate – timidity, plumpness, languor, delicacy and preciosity.”
    (The Female Eunuch)

    Aside from the hypocrisy of the sexual argument, there is another issue I’d like to point out as a result of reading some of the comments here addressing the gory aspect of Lady Gaga’s MVs. This is a personal opinion coming from a person who listened to Marilyn Manson when she was 13 and attended to Rammstein concerts and alikes by the time she was 16, but always had nightmares every time she watched an X-Files episode or a documentary about a war.

    We’re talking about a (music!) concert ban happening in a country where teachers teach detailed horrors of the colonization period to kids. A country that provides elementary school children visits to Seodaemun Prison Museum, a museum dedicated to record all the atrocities and different methods of physical and sexual torture the Japanese imperial army did to Koreans, with special effects including agonizing sounds of prisoners screams and blood on the walls for the show.

    A country that lets 14 year olds visit the Horror Maze event of Everland Resorts theme park, where the description in the site reads: “The horror maze will give you the thrilling experience of encountering the evil ghost of a serial killer who performed forbidden human experiments, as well as the revengeful spirits of his victims.” 2PM even did an ad for it, where they were, you know, covered in blood and stuff.

    So to all of you who agree with the ban: are you trying to tell me, that these kids that grow up with mental pictures of the horrors of war, that can freely visit horror shows in theme parks, should be forbidden to see a comparatively less shocking artist like Lady Gaga because they can get traumatized? 

    I’m sorry, I forgot what we are supposed to protect our kids from. 

    • Anonymous

       I approve. I clapped. And I think its funny what is “traumatizing” and what is actually traumatizing. And I admit though that sometimes its hard for a parent to tell what is going to traumatize them (children).

      As a kid sex wasn’t traumatizing. I found it a boring topic. I found violence traumatizing. My most traumatizing memories have to do with a gun. But every kid is different.

      But I think if they are willing to desensitize their children to violence for the sake of teaching them.

      I think they can do the same thing with sex because like violence, sex ISN’T going anywhere. I think we actually even need it to keep the human race going. Or at least for the time being. No telling when that will change.

      But again it really is up to the individual parental unities. I don’t approve of this ban!

      Korean people seem so painfully shy, I mean its cute but I have to be honest I’d lose all patience. I prefer a more relaxed and confident with his groove kind of guy.  On every korean show they are depicted as painfully shy. Not a movie or variety show, goes by without making that obvious someone is always painfully shy. But I keep thinking hey, that is just what being shown I am sure there are smooth koreans too. Right?

      Losing track, what I am trying to say is maybe if sex wasn’t made out to be so traumatizing koreans wouldn’t be so shy to even hold hands. Or talk about sex or kissing or any physical contact.

      Maybe its just a cultural thing. Wait can shyness be a cultural thing? I am going off the tracks!

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  • http://twitter.com/MakeNoteOfIt Maria L

    Honestly, I think it’s funny and typical. Like you said- Kpop allows some risque behavior to select females and then pulls it away from others or makes such a big debacle about it but absolutely allows it for males. I think this ban is just another way to show us that women are once again put on a double standard. That’s honestly the only explanation for it. And the other explanation as to why certain females do get the green light is just so they can say “Nuh uh, we totally allow women to express their sexuality!”

    It’s business, they’re trying to please both the conservative and feminist angles. This is how Kpop operates. 

    -sLaVe

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zhi-Yun-Wong/100002006130091 Zhi Yun Wong

    whoa whoa they can put an age restriction on concerts, songs and shows but they don’t when it comes to the artistes? most artistes are as young as the age restrictions but they are equally trained to perform such songs.  they even wear skimpy outfits. the worse thing is that the trainee age these days are getting younger and younger(gp basics) and the mogef(?) doesn’t even put a restriction knowing that banned songs could become a possibility in the future. and besides, there are no restrictions when it comes to the internet. even if the ban is imposed, these people can still watch it…unless..they do have a ban then this sentence is redundant

  • http://twitter.com/The_crazybaka Emily Baka

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PQ4VXH7BKZFOTXWULMFMFODCNY Itoshii Hito

    Lady gaga disgust’s me so yay! I’m glad they banned her. Also, you can’t compare K-pop artists to Lady Gaga, like seriously. Have you seen her performances? Not exactly an artist I would want my kids to look up to. Never mind just her performances but I’m pretty sure Korean mothers would have a field day with her music videos. She doesn’t send the best message across.

    • http://twitter.com/NotMyBirthday21 Lakeisha

      Lady Gaga’s message is that it’s good to be who you are and it’s good to be different. I was born this way. I was born different and I love myself. She is against bullying for gays and everyone. How is that a bad message? 

    • Alex O.

      I agree that Gaga’s videos can be a bit racy, but I’d say you should at least let 15 and up attend.

      I don’t think this happens ALL the time, but it just so happens that a majority of people I know who are “wild” were very restricted as children. I knew some kids whose parents were so strict they wouldn’t let them watch PG-13 movies…and the kids were in high school. And these kids didn’t become wild just now. They were wild as kids too because their parents restricted them so heavily.

      I’m not saying that you should be open to the point of letting your kids go to a strip joint (I’m pretty sure that’s illegal, but I know it’s happened before), but I also think that it does well to show them what the real world it like.

      This sounds really random, but you should look up Usher’s rise to fame. He was taken in by a singer who took him to places where there was gambling and strippers, but the reason the singer did that was because he didn’t want Usher to be blinded by fame and have a lot of drugs/alcohol/sex when he became famous because those things are distractions.

      And now Usher is managing Bieber. Though I’m pretty sure he’s not taking him to those kinds of places.

      Wow I feel like I just lost all credibility for referencing that tidbit. I apologize for the strange comparison but I think that people should be open to a certain extent and that the age limit for this concert was preposterous.

  • http://twitter.com/kandygirlll Audrey Taylor ♥ ♥

    How ironic of them. The Korean government allows underage girls, girls my age (15) or younger! , to suggestively dance on a public stage, on, of all things, live television. But suddenly, when Lady Gaga comes to town, with her eccentric concert tour, it’s automatically banned for being inappropriate? And 14 year olds, like some of the Chocolat members, are allowed to dance around in revealing dresses to satisfy their fanbase, which probably is chock full of dirty old men? I know lots of people would consider Lady Gaga’s videos to be pretty grotesque (I’m not a fan of some of them, I admit), and perhaps racy. And then there’s the fact that she openly supports the LGBT community, which was probably another reason that the government dropped the banhammer (being gay is a HUGE taboo in Korea, sadly. It’s terrible, yes, but sadly, homophobia is everywhere.)

    And it’s not like it was going to be a public event in the first place. It’s a closed event. You purchase tickets. You pay for the concert. Well, even if you don’t pay for the concert, somebody’s money is being spent.
    Imagine this. You’re under 18. You spend lots of money on a ticket so you can get a good seat, to see an artist you like, admire. Boom. Right after you buy the ticket, the banhammer is dropped.
    Disappointment.

    Ladies and gents, the government being a bunch of hypocrites. Banning Lady Gaga when they themselves produce risque videos involving young women, who honestly don’t have much say when it pertains to their costumes, music videos, and careers overall. They are owned by corportations. The public loves them. The public loves aegyo.
    And when somebody like Lady Gaga comes around, who isn’t some ~oh, i’m so cute, i’m so sexy, oppa oppa!~ type of person, her concert is age restricted.
    I swear, Korea puts age restrictions on the silliest things.
    This example has already been used, but i’m going to use it again. Take T-ara’s Bo Peep Bo Peep video. The description on the video: “Parental Guidence: Under the Ministry of Culture and Tourism (South
    Korea), the music video has been marked with an age rating of 19+.
    Please be cautioned when watching this, as there are suggestive scenes
    within the video.”
    I watched it.  I watched it, and I honestly didn’t see why it had a rating of 19+. Most of the suggestive scenes were simply kissing, and the girls dancing around a a stage. Sure, there was a little sexual content, but to be brutally honest, I showed my then 11 year old sister the video. After it ended, I told her it had an age rating of 19+. She stared at me for a second, and remarked ~ “19 plus? More like 13 plus.”