• samlun100

    I think most of the visuals of kpop groups cannot sing like Sulli, Minho, Sohee, Yoona, Siwon, Nichkhun, Hyuna.
    However there are few exceptions like Jaejoong, Suzy.

    • UJjaejoong

      yes the only visual i can think of, who can sing perfectly, is Jaejong!!
      the rest of the visuals mentioned in the article are nothing more than visuals and maybe occasional singers!

      • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

        Well, isn’t Ga-in the visual of BEG? She’s pretty talented… :/

    • noiha

      infinite’s myungsoo has pretty good vocal.

    • Seri Park

       At least Hyuna can really dance…

      • WonderfulZingMin

        no…just no.

      • ian

        She’s one of the better dancers in 4minute but not really that good.

      • http://twitter.com/denzelwynter Ashley B

        Jiyhun and Sohyun are better dancers than her.

    • muggle87

      totally, jae has prove that not only is he the visual but also the main (or is it lead? I can’t never tell the difference btwn main or lead) vocalist of his group.^^

    • http://twitter.com/jayfinite Katasha

      I agree with noiha, Myungsoo has a pretty good vocal to the point where he’s given a whole chorus to himself (Real Story) and was in charge of a high note (In The Summer). 

      BTOB’s Minhyuk sings pretty good, raps decently, and is the best in the group in acrobatics. 

      Jaejoong needs no explanation, that beautiful, beautiful man.

      Kikwang from Beast sings well and he can dance, though lately the visual in Beast is considered as the maknae Dongwoon. He can sing well too, and was even given a ballad/duet with leader Doojoon.

      As far as I know, Kai from EXO is also the dance machine? Not very familiar with the group, but I can easily point the visual from the 84733873208 Kai shots and teasers SM gave us -_-

      • ian

        I actually… don’t see how anyone in Beast can be a visual, sorry! Not being a hater or bashing the group. Sure, they have pretty good looking members once you get to know the personality or some who are good looking based on personal taste, but by a wider population standard or just, the norm, no one’s really the typical set visual in that group.

        Though yeah, I agree on Myungsoo and his “anime” voice. He’s always on pitch when singing and while his voice isn’t typical-good or anything, he can most definitely sing. He’s also is good with harmonizing with the members especially with Sunggyu. He’s pretty good with a capellas as well. I’m actually surprised at how clear his voice sounds. 

        Hopefully, with his self-proclaimed interest in acoustic music, he’ll get to have a solo song in the future. He was asked this and he said he’d have to improve more before it happens.

      • IAmYen

        Well, Chunji from Teen Top is the visual/face of the group too & he’s an exception because he sings very well and great that he has a lot of lines which most are higher ones in every song. And he is good in dancing too, of course. He tried to rap ones, and I think it wasn’t bad. So yeah. CHUNJI!

    • ian

      What’s a little bit weird for me was when DBSK debuted, I thought they didn’t have a visual. I didn’t know Jaejoong was supposed to be the visual, seriously. I actually thought Yoochun was the most good looking at that time, haha. Maybe it was the concept of Hug or maybe it was the hairstyle, idk. Especially their 2nd album. Oh goodness. Jaejoong’s hair was tragic in that era. Regardless, I wasn’t a DB5K fan so I didn’t really care.

      I only found Jaejoong attractive when he cut his hair after JYJ left SM. He actually looks really really good with short hair. It was totally weird.

      Hm, looking back, maybe it was the fact that Jaejoong was one of the better singers in the group that I never would have thought he was the visual. Which just goes to say that normally, people would think of the visual as the talentless one whose only role in the group is to look pretty. Which was a sort of problem in DBSK cause they were all pretty talented /shrug.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

        It’s also because DBSK never really blatantly promoted anyone to be the face, but if someone was, it was Jaejoong. Idols who debuted after Super Junior don’t work the same way DBSK does/did. DBSK hardly ever had individual gigs, so even if Jaejoong was the face, it never went with solo CF’s or acting gigs like Siwon and Yoona have.

        Jaejoong’s popularity in Japan possibly cemented his “face” status in the group though.

        • ian

          Ah! That must be why! Well, that explains it.

          The way I see it, DBSK was grouped as a 5-voices acapella group and was marketed as such. So SAM always shipped them off as a group but not as an individual.

          So it was only in Japan. Maybe cause Jaejoong’s face is the typical pretty boy image in Japan. I remember that Junsu was the most popular in Korea but in Japan, it looked like it was Jaejoong.

          • http://twitter.com/MStyle_Girl Joyce

            Nahh.. Jaejoong was all along the most popular in Japan

      • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

        Yoochun was originally meant to be the visual, I think… (I totally agree with you about him being the most attractive at the time of their debut, btw). I think Jaejoong kind of became the visual mostly because he was the main vocalist, and was always in the middle of their vocal arrangement. 

    • lokifairy

       Minho CAN sing.

    • IAmYen

      I agree. Though Dara is my ultimate girl bias, I think she’s one of them too at the times of their debut. Yes! Of course she CAN sing but not that great as the other members. But now, I can say that she has improved very much, a lot. I can now say she’s a good, better, and great singer. When it comes to dancing, she’s already good when they just debuted, so now, she’s already VERY good/great in dancing, I dare say. And everytime 2NE1 have comeback, everyone can really see her improvements in both. And she really raps VERY WELL. Even before, after debut & until now. I swear. So, I don’t think Dara’s still one of them now. Because she has every talent. She’s an exception too.

  • http://twitter.com/veria10 Veria

    To be honest I find the whole ‘visual role’ thing slightly ridiculous.
    If I were a trainee my goal wouldn’t be to become a group’s visual – no, in an entertainment industry you want to perform, to entertain and that is your goal. The visual role for me seems ’empty’, like they simply fill up the space in a group to make them look prettier. While there are certainly some visuals who do have talent, many of them seem not to. Or they are always boxed into their visual role so that they cannot let any actual talent shine because they are never given the opportunity to. In addition to this, at least in the international fandoms, being a ‘visual’ comes with a negative stereotype of ‘useles’, ‘untalented’, ‘only there for the looks’. Rarely are people willing to look deeper into someone with a pretty face – why else is there are stereotype that all pretty blonde girls are dumb?
    To an extent the media and kpop idols themselves are to blame with the creation and fulfillment of the visual role. Really, would we care so much about them if the media stopped asking questions and running polls about ‘Who is the best visual?’ It’s even come to the point where talking about visual roles (or lack of visual appeal) can be used as a running variety thing (see Eunhyuk vs. Siwon).
    And while we do have social and cultural standards for beauty, it is, to a large degree, subjective. Personally, I don’t find Siwon the most attractive in Suju, or Yoona in SNSD, or Hyuna in 4minute. While I admit that they are definitely not ordinary, who looks best to your will always be about what features you personally find attractive.
    However, as has been pointed out, visuals do bring attention. CFs, new fans, etc. – that’s the visual’s role. And it’s necessary; how else do groups get their name out there? How else will groups thrive in such a visually-dependent market? So although we can all point at visual idols and go ‘They’re not really necessary to the group’, in the end they are. I question the high focus and seeming ‘prestige / importance’ that goes with the visual role, but I know that many of my favourite groups would most likely not be as successful or well known without a visual.

  • Seri Park

    With some of the “Visuals” I don’t even understand why they are considered attractive… such as Sohee and Yoona… why are they even considered cute?  There are far more attractive members in their respective bands, and more talented, as well.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

      Well, they’re the type that Korea likes. Look at Yoona, she’s pretty but not too pretty. She’s the quintessential pretty girl-next-door type that they like, someone people will never find ugly. She’s someone to look up to yet someone also easy to relate.

    • noiha

      sohee has a very harmless and rather fragile nature. she’s like ladies from last century (?). in korea where male chauvinism is still a big part of society, i guess men find her really attractive. 

    • xNoirX

      I was born in SK and spent critical 5 years(4th-9th grade) there, so I know something about Korean aesthetics.  But even to me, Sohee as the visual of the group thing is a mystery.  Reading k-netizen comments reveal that I am not the only one who is puzzled.
      I suspect she’s JYP’s personal favorite, and he’s pulling strings to promote her above and beyond what her talent or look deserves.

  • Seri Park

    Jaejoong, on the other hand, is both beautiful, and exceedingly talented… as an actor, in terms of verbal wit, and musically….

    • greg

      I now see why he wasn’t mentioned in the article.

  • http://twitter.com/PhanTheHotness Jenny

    kris got you too huh?? for me it was kris and luhan T.T
    oh well, time well spent i’d say :D
    i also notice that many think that if you’re the visual, you also lack the talent 

    for example: yoona, sohee, L, more or less taemin, and etc
    they are considered attractive but is not as talented in say, singing, as their other members
    i’ve always seen people correlate those two together. always been interesting

    • http://twitter.com/shiny_chang Shi-en

      Taemin is their dancer, so actually, he is rather talented~~ Minho’s considered the visual in SHINee…
      I think it’s more to give a label to the members who aren’t the most talented… :/

    • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

      It’s because they aren’t the most talented in their groups that people think they aren’t talented at all. That’s the real issue. It isn’t that they aren’t talented, only that in comparison they pale to the rest of their members. Yet, notedly they become some of the more popular members…

      That’s the stigma attached to visuals, unfortunately.

  • muggle87

    “At the time their music just didn’t appeal to me nor did any of them seem attractive to me. But then I found Kris and all that EXO-abstinence went to hell.”  

    I totally know what u mean, OP. For me it all start cause of Kris defending his members from the chinese mc. I saw the gif on tumblr. Now I am totally into Exo M. Two Moons is the only song I actually replay several times. (So yay for having one song that i end up liking!) 

    Though I am still abstinence towards Exo K despite the fact that my tumblr followers fills up my dashboard with them. At first I had no idea who they were. I have a lot of mystery meats on my dashboard but now I figure out who they are so now I called them exo k mystery meat cause I still can’t put names to faces… except kai but sme made sure of that… though i think i getting better at identify two more members, the sugar junkie who always with kris whenever all 12 get together, and the deer caught in headlights guy.^^

  • vip

    TOP is the visual of BB and he’s very talented too, his voice is great …
    he can’t dance but who cares.

    • pataridze

       I thought Big Bang doesn’t have visual. At least non of them was promoted as such.

      • http://www.facebook.com/abi.ck.52 Abi Ck


        kpop fans just assume stuff. 

        back then YG didn’t even know how to promote an idol group properly. their roles were given by the public not the company. seungri was suppose to be the dancer but taeyang snatched that away after his solo.

        • vip

          lol, no check their interviews, they clearly say that TOP is the visual.
          I didn’t “assume” stuff from nowhere.

      • vip

        In many show and interviews of BB it’s clearly say that TOP is the visual.
        you should check, I didn’t invent that, I didn’t even know that he was the visual before reading and watching bb interviews.

      • liter81

        TOP is definitely the visual of Big Bang. He’s ridiculously good looking and is the one with the most individual ad campaigns (FUBU, Calvin Klein etc.) However, like DBSK’s Jaejoong, his role in the group is not limited to only his good looks. Big Bang without TOP’s raps would not be Big Bang.

    • noiha

      no, daesung is the visual. the self-proclaimed visual. :)

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORSXPERTNAEPCKZBGEZMP7A3NU Bianca

        People keep forgetting this. Dae in FO was arguably more advantageous than publicizing that GD writes their songs.

      • vip

        lol, I completly agree, he’s my favorite member.  ;)

    • ian

      They never marketed TOP as the visual when they debuted. It’s only recently that TOP’s being regarded as the visual.

      When Big Bang debuted, what they were most under fire for was their looks, which many people called them as “ugly” since they don’t have the typical idol look of the normal idols of that day. 

      In a way, Big Bang did “revolutionize” the standards for idols like their tagline says – Big Bang, the revolution of idol. Not only in terms of concept and looks, but also in terms of stage manners, clothes, and music.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORSXPERTNAEPCKZBGEZMP7A3NU Bianca

      How DARE you? Blasphemy. Bow down before the almighty choom TOP!

      Lol. Seriously though, puppy dances to the beat of his own alien drum. 

  • http://www.michelle-chin.com/ Michelle Chin

    I feel that the role of the visual confirms the belief that there exists a “pretty bias” in every one of us. That we just like to see pretty things. Let’s take EXO as an example. There’s a reason why in EXO, Chen and Xiumin, are the least popular members. Let’s face it, both sing well but they are less visually attractive compared to other members. I think I must be one of the few EXO fans who is willing to admit this unfortunate fact. 

    However, first impressions will always remain as first impressions. In my opinion, pretty stops being pretty when your idols keep making singing and dancing mistakes, or starts offending other members. For example Sehun, who used to be an uljjang (or so this was what has been circulating in the EXO fandom) and who I consider one of the better looking guys in EXO. I actually liked him a little lesser when he was repeatedly spotted making mistakes while dancing (gifs, are know you are out there…). So no, I do not agree that the visual will suck you in and never spit you out again. Bad music and bad dancing can never be saved by the visual, regardless of how much aegyo he or she tries to pull off. 

    Having said that, I do not agree that K-pop is all pretty and without substance. There is substance. You just need to know how to find it in the midst of the trash. It’s the same with Hollywood too.

    • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

      Ironically they are my favorites, along with Tao. Actually I think Chen is quite handsome, it’s just that he doesn’t have that flower boy image that Luhan or Lay have nor does he have an overwhelming masculine image like Kris and Tao. It’s because he doesn’t stand out that he’s less popular, but I don’t think it actually has to do with his looks more than it has to do with his personality.
      And Xiumin is just cute. 

      • Youssra el orf

        actually i went to check on EXO because of Xiumin he’s soooo cuuuute (i was watching CL’s encore stage and he was near her) and then i found out that he was the oldest loool he’s still cute , i also like Kai since my ideal types are tall , dark and handsome , but lately i fangirl so hard on Lay he is sooo polite so sweet so kiiind on top of his handsome face , i never really had a strong impression on him but ever since i started watching them on variety show i was strongly attracted to them (Xiumin and Lay)

  • http://twitter.com/zemasrunner Zemas

    I’m a DBSK fan, and honestly, in 2006 what made me open that youtube video, was Jaejoong’s appearence, then my obsession over them started…Speaking about the importance of visuals, they’re like the magnets of the band, they’re what attracts attention to an idol group first.However, now that Kpop aims at expanding elsewhere, visual idols who have no talent, don’t have a lot of chance in keeping that attention to them since beauty standards are different from one country to another.Only those who have both the looks and the talent achieve true recognition.That’s why I think Jaejoong is unique. He’s not only acting pretty/cute in the show. The guy actually has the advantage of having such a voice, and such an interesting variety image as well as the ability to act, direct and compose music which add to his worth in JYJ and DB5K.

    • WonderfulZingMin

      I have to question  that ability to act. Jaejoong is awesome but that boy is super mega awkward. Heaven’s Postman was saved because of it’s amazing female lead.

      • ian

        And then we have Protect the Boss which I watched for Ji Sung and didn’t even know Jaejoong was in. 

        First few episodes? Jaejoong was awkward as hell. But after a few episodes, maybe 4 or 5, he improved greatly and was actually pretty good by the end of it.As for his new saeguk drama, I don’t know yet since I’m not watching it, probably won’t – ever, seeing as how I’m not into historical dramas.

  • Ariel2003

    K-pop as perpetuated by the big companies has perfected the formula of The Group (the vocals, the dancer, the visual and the aegyo). I think for some idols being labelled as a visual carries with it burdens that don’t necessarily fit their personalities but they have to perform the functions given to them by their company to put the name of their Group out there. Being a fan of Infinite I watched most of their variety shows and interviews and catch glimpses of their real personalities. L once said that his hair keeps falling off because of stress and thinking about the future stresses him out the most. Then his mother said in a letter, “I still can’t believe that your a celebrity, someone who’s shy and a bit old-fashioned, aren’t you sometimes wearing clothes that don’t fit, instead of always being proud I worry” and my heart bleeds. A mother who understands the depth of sacrifice her son has to go through for the profession he has chosen and a son afraid of the uncertain future of an idol. Watching that clip gets me everytime (for those who are interested its in Birth of a Family).
    These got me thinking does L really want to be an actor, did he seek it out, or being the visual it fell on his shoulder to represent his Group by being the Actor. During their stint in Sesame Player, L was MIA because he was filming a Japanese drama “Jiu”. That must have been hard on him, doing his first drama in a foreign country, learning the language and diving into a new industry and doing it alone. His stint in this drama garnered attention for Infinite in Japan and an important building block for their Japanese cross-over. 
    Shut Up Flower Boy Band is where I first watched L act and my first brush with Infinite. His acting was a little awkward but his basically playing himself and the cast’s dynamic was wonderful, directing was assured and the writing divine. L struck me as someone who’s introverted, a little cooky at times, quiet, reserve and easily embarass. To do what he does, requires him to subvert his real personality and get the job done. Fom this little gem of a drama I started watching videos of Infinite and fell in love with their music.

    “The fact of the matter remains that image reigns supreme, and if you are not visually competitive, it doesn’t matter how musically talented you are. This industry rides in the hands of the visuals. And that’s where the music becomes compromised.”

    I disagree with this statement, the Visual as part of a group is only one or two person who has that x factor that draws the eyes and the interest. They are not necessarily talentless individuals and their contribution to the group could not be quantified. L might have drawn my initial interest but this led me to the beautiful vocals of Woohyun and Sunggyu. I’ve become an avid fan of the group not just L, I’m proud of the music that they produce and would not hesitate to share it with friends.
    Lets face it K-pop is largely a visual form of entertainment, the face, the fashion, the dance and the music. How else could a foreign fan like me be interested if I’m not visually bombarded by all these pretty pretty people, but after all the glitz and glamour what remains is me, my ipod and grooving to my favorite K-pop playlist.

    As an aside, this is a shout out to all the Visuals, get the industry to pay through the nose for the privilege of using that pretty mug of yours so you don’t have to worry about falling hair.

    • ian

      Myungsoo mostly pulls in the most casual fans. Him and Woohyun are surprisingly the ones who gains the most attention at first glance. And after liking these two, liking the group comes next. Which is what happened with you and many others, I suppose.

      Like what they themselves have said, when you fall for one member, you’ll most definitely fall for everyone else.

    • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

      Actually Myungsoo has said before that acting is something he takes seriously and judging by the relationship the Infinite members have with their CEO, it looks more to me that he was the one who suggested partaking in a new drama. Just like how Hoya was the one who decided he wanted to try his hand at acting, or how last year Sungyeol was the one who had to convince the CEO to let him act as well. I’m under the impression that the members are the ones deciding their extracurricular projects.

      Of course, Myungsoo being the visual is probably the reason he’s been getting more offers than anyone else but I don’t believe there’s much else to delve into there. Woollim and Infinite have made it clear that music and the group are more important, and though the whole acting stint might gain them some new fans, that’s not the way they want to gain popularity. They want to be known for their music first.

      • ian

        I guess them living with their boss for quite sometime drew them closer together. Plus Woollim’s a small company so their CEO’s attention isn’t divided to hundreds of trainees but is only on Infinite, Nell and a few trainees.

        I agree on the music part. Even before, one of Infinite’s earlier problems were their lack of a particular “concept” or “brand”. The company’s production was always more focused on the music they put out rather than how they’ll be marketed. In a way, it helped them in the long run seeing as how they are now more known for their music and dancing rather than a past concept that they wouldn’t probably get to repeat again in the future anyway.

        • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

          True. Makes me wonder what truly makes a group popular and famous then? The members themselves? The talent? Or does it all come down to which concepts seemed to work best? Certain groups fit certain images better than others, but Infinite never had a concept to begin with. Their “concept” was and still is ‘music’, and I suppose that’s why they’re taken a bit more seriously in Korea than other groups are. As serious as any kpop group can be taken, anyway.

          • http://twitter.com/jayfinitely katasha ∞

            I thought Infinite’s concept was 99.9% synchronized dancing? I don’t know if that still applies, given that the Chaser’s choreography didn’t really emphasize on their sync. movements, but people outside the fandom always assume that it’s their “thing”, much like butt/body wave dances are Sistar’s thing and repetitive songs are Super Junior’s thing.

          • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

            That was a title that was given to them by the media and the public, they never really exploited it except for when they went over to Japan last November. People recognize them for it, but that’s not all they’re known for. Even now I get the impression that although Infinite are grateful for the compliments about their dancing, synchronization isn’t their primary focus. That’s what a lot of people fail to understand though, unfortunately.

            The closest thing to a concept Infinite has is the concept of “Growth” coupled with quality music and angled-choreography.

          • ian

            Like what @Mrs_KimSungGyu:disqus  has said, the 99.9% synchronized dancing thing was only made up by the media. It was a title given to them because the people observed that about them, not because they were marketed as such. It just so happened that they really do dance like that. The boys don’t even really think they’re that synchronized and actually feel really flattered that they were thought of as such.

          • ian

            I think it’s a combination of a lot of things, really. No matter how talented you are, if the company you are in has poor management and marketing skills, then it really won’t be of much help to your career. Plus the right timing as well, I guess. And a good song won’t hurt, of course.

            Yeah, them not having a set concept for each comeback was detrimental to their rise at first. It stunted the public’s interest which made the first few months of their journey harder. That and the fact that they came from a relatively small company. I mean, yeah, Woollim has had experience with Nell and Epik High but managing a rock band and a hiphop group is different from managing an idol group. 

            Let the rock band and hiphop group produce their music and that music will be what attracts people’s attention. But that’s not really the case for idol groups. So even though Infinite’s songs has always been produced with great quality, that won’t garner them the attention and fans that they need to sustain their career.

            As for them being taken more seriously musically, yeah, you’re right. Even before they hit it big with Be Mine, you can always hear random artists or music critics praising their songs, but not them. Have you seen Verbal Jint’s tweet last night? He said he likes Infinite’s The Chaser, much like how a lot of sunbaes in the music industry said as well. What’s actually interesting is how their debut song, Come Back Again, which in my opinion is still one of their best songs, is now being mentioned left and right by respected musicians like Yoo Hee Yeol and Jung Jaehyun as their favorite Infinite song, or song that they liked back in 2010.

            Also, lol, kpop idol music will always never be taken that much seriously. The only idol group taken seriously for their music and bothered by music critics to write reviews about are Big Bang releases and the members’ solo efforts like GD’s and Taeyang’s. If the questions asked in interviews are to be taken as an example, you’ll see that most idol interviews are about, “what are your dreams? idols? ideal type?” while BB interviews discusses their music and direction.

          • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

            Verbal Jint tweeted that? I’m always the last to know! And I knew some celebrities liked Come Back Again, but it does indeed seem that there are more than I thought. Recently I’ve noticed that Infinite are being asked more goal/music oriented questions during interviews so that’s always a good sign. It might also have to do with the way Infinite carries themselves during interviews. They’re called refreshing and innocent all the time but they’re also honest so reporters take them more seriously hence the more serious questions.

          • ian

            Yeah, he did! I was surprised myself! I wonder if he knew that Hoya and Dongwoo covered his You Look Good?

            Yeah, they are. Which means they’re being taken seriously now. But it’s not yet at the same point like BB are :( I think it’s because the interviewers really think of BB as musicians/composers cause they do produce their own music (except Daesung). Sometimes, when I read BB interviews, group or solo ones, my head starts spinning with all the music-talking like, dude, stop.

            Actually, I agree with what Sunggyu said in Sketchbook. They’re idols that people can think of as their next door neighbors. Approachable. They’re just kids following their dreams. No flashy glittering concepts that makes them look untouchable :)

          • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

            Actually if I recall correctly, Verbal Jint did know Hoya and Dongwoo covered his song. If i’m not mistaken he expressed his anticipation for it.

  • Iamatroll

    If you are not visually competitive it doesn’t matter how musically talented you are.. this is true but if you are tagged as the visual members, it doesn’t matter how talented you are, there will always be some people who will undermine your ability…  it’s a double edge sword so to speak

  • http://twitter.com/Suki375 Jigyasha Pradhan

     But then I found Kris and all that EXO-abstinence went to hell. XD me too!

  • WonderfulZingMin

    Suzy, Jaejoong, TOP, Hongki, Yonghwa, Minah, Sunhwa, Hyorin those are visuals that actually give something to the group.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      The visual of SISTAR is actually Bora, but good point. :)

  • vip

    I tried to like exo but I can’t, :(  even if they have a lot of good looking guys.

    • destined2bebossy

      same here. I couldn’t get into K but I tried my hardest with M. The guys just have no personality and not enough talents (no offence fans). I feel like SM gave us a group of dancers with like 2 singers in each unit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=513439726 Sharon Overlord

    I actually dont think kpop is more visually oriented than other music industries. It’s just that they dont hide it. I mean, just look how big a deal pll make the red carpet to be. The only thing that happens in the red carpet is that the stars get to show off their dresses and how pretty they look. Then they have some commentator judging their dresses. Come on, how shallow is that?

    While the American industry tries act that all pll care about is good music, kpop does not do that. Just take a look at the albums. Korean albums, a lot of attention is payed to them and u have photobooks that have average 30 photos. Then u have U.S albums that look like crap and they have 5 photos in them. Come on, who buys albums solely for the music? No one, that’s why music stores are closing in North America. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

      You make some good points, but I do have a counterargument to the last sentence.

      Music stores are closing because of the shift in medium from physical cds to digital downloads, not necessarily because people don’t buy music principally for the music. 

      Having said that, I do agree that superficiality is not absent from the US market. Anyone with eyes can see America values its pretty boys and girls, often over more deserving artists. However, it should be pointed out that up until recently the reigning #1 song on the Billboard Top 100 was not by Carly Rae Jepsen, Justin Bieber or Katy Perry — but a Belgian multi-instrumentalist artist named Gotye. I guarantee you that guy didn’t get there on image alone (just hit up google). Even now Gotye is still in the Top 3. Though Carly Rae Jepsen has temporarily assumed the top position, who is below her at #2 but Maroon 5 — a scruffy looking band that is obviously never going to win any beauty contests, either. 

      The point I am trying to make is, the concept of image being intrinsic to success is a part of every music market, to an extent — but the sheer importance placed on it by the South Korean music scene is a little awe-inspiring. 

      Try and think for one moment about the last time a non-idol-attractive artist reached the top of South Korea’s music charts…

      I can’t think of one, either. 

      In the SK music market, the value of the “visual member” cannot be accurately stated. Image is placed on such a pedestal in SK, you almost NEED to pick the member you think will make the most impact as the face of the franchise. 

      In many other music markets, image is important, but does come secondary to the music being, at the very least, interesting. A pretty face will only get you so far in most music markets.

      In SK, it seems image comes first.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P6KJSDU5JM2HB2QJDGG4PM6CAE onie

    DBSK was the first Kpop group I came across to through their Mirotic MV and I actually thought all of them were attractive and remarkable in their own ways. I could easily recognize one from the other even only after a few minutes, so I never thought their would be such thing as a ‘visual’ in a group. I remembered them as: the one with androgynous looks – Jae, the Jerry Yan look alike – Changmin, the very manly with lots of sex appeal – Yunho, the cute one but dances reallyyy good and sexily – Junsu, and the one that looked like he just cried and has a weird hair – Yoochun.. :D

  • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

    …But, why can’t the visual be talented and have some other role in their group? I mean, I may use DB5K all the time as an example of this, but although Jaejoong is/was the main singer, he was also the visual. I guess it may have just been a somewhat incidental thing because of his role as the main singer, but he was still the visual. 

    Anyways, I remember reading an article from a while ago that argued that SNSD only needed four members, and YoonA was one because she brings lots of popularity to the group because people like her face. I thought that was ridiculous. If she wasn’t in SNSD, other members would still be considered beautiful, and another, more talented member (Tiffany? Taeyeon? Seohyun?) could be the face. 

    My point is that I think it’s pointless to add the “visual member” to the group for the sake of making the group popular. Other members would become popular if the visual was never introduced to the public. In SNSD, Taeyeon is almost as popular as YoonA. Without YoonA, who’s to say she never would have been that popular? Of course, I can’t predict what would have happened, but I still don’t think these members serve much purpose. Minho may be the face of SHINee, but Taemin and Jonghyun are more popular (from what I know). Sulli had her “visual” role taken by Krystal. These examples make me think it’s unnecessary to include these visual members in the line-up in the first place. 

  • goldengluvsk2

    i’ve NEEVERR NE-VER understood the whole “visual”  as a “role in the group”… if it wasnt because theres a member that gets more screentime than the others you wont tell who’s the so called visual… pushing and pushing that member to the front can seriouslybe a turn off… -me with Kai for example… im still annoyed lol-

    i can understand theres someone thats relevant because she/he excels at singing, then there could be someone who excels at dancing or variety but someone who excels at being pretty? … O__o whut? so… thats your talent? that fuels the believe that the idols who are average to not talented a.k.a. deadweights are given the visual title but what about making popular the members that have mad skills in singing/dancing/emceeing/acting first? if you showcase their talents properly people would genuinely like them and respect them instead of pushing someone to their faces for them to like him/her… but the norm is that people are blinded by the visual member… dont get mewrong, there are plenty of members with that title that are talented but the whole being pretty thing shouldnt be a role in a group.. it should be an extra…

  • liter81

    I don’t inherently have a problem with someone getting attention for their looks. The problem is when a person does not add anything to the group other than their looks/cute personality. Nichkhun and Minho seem like a nice guy, but they are not the best dancers and all of their singing/”rapping” parts could easily be done by one of the other members of their respective groups. I have no idea what Yoona contributes musically or performance-wise to SNSD and she has the personality of a rock. Korea’s obsession with her baffles me. 

    • sarajgh

      Yoona is one of the best dancers in SNSD and she actually has an endearing personality, just watch Hello Baby. She’s like a tomboy that likes to joke and play pranks. Taeyeon constanly says she destroys her own image.

    • kurdoodle

       I don’t think Yoona is boring. She is very sweet, dorky, humble, and tom-boyish. I have a lot of respect for her, considering the shit she goes through. And is it weird that I actually love the way she dances?

    • happy_slip

      I don’t know, SNSD is not just a popular singing/dancing group anymore, they’re also quite a brand now so I don’t think Yoona is still to be considered useless at this point because admittedly, a big chunk of the “SNSD brand” development came from her popularity among the public. I mean, that’s the way I see it. A lot of people don’t get the obsession, but the fact that a lot of these Koreans end up supporting SNSD because of her pretty much sums up why she’s quite an asset of the group as well. 

  • http://twitter.com/Noobologie Jub Jub

    The visual role is one role that leaves alot for us to ponder I guess. After all, not everyone’s preferences are the same. I never particularly took notice of the visuals since I tend to go more for the unique and powerful vocal aspect of the group. However, my lil sister would immediately jump for the facial construction first. For example, she loved SNSD’s Tiffany when Yoona was supposedly the visual (I think). And as for me, I never had enough rooms in my heart for the rest of the DBSK’s members after I was blown away by Junsu’s voice… and though I can appreciate Jaejoong’s face, I preferred Junsu’s over his… weird enough. Even for cases like EXO… my sister loved Kris’s face to bits… while I found Tao and this other guy more appealing. Beauty is in the eye of it’s beholder. It will be very unwise to like someone just based on the visual aspect… since there will always be someone who will pop up along the way and “mess up the bias list” (This sentence does not exactly exist in my dictionary since I practice monogamy). :/

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      And there are different standards worldwide. When I asked my sisters who they thought was the prettiest member of SNSD, one picked Hyoyeon and one picked Sunny. And I think that Taeyeon’s talent has made her seem somewhat prettier in the eyes of the public (not that she isn’t gorgeous, I just think it’s amplified by her talent). 

      Lol, when it comes to DBSK, I appreciate all of their faces…. :P

  • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

    There are some instances were being the “visual” is a role, but in others where it’s just a title. Members who look good but don’t contribute anything musically assume the role, while on the other hand there are those who are more blessed in the looks department but aren’t as detrimental to the group than most. On the contrary, they might even add value to the group.

    I won’t go out of my way to pinpoint which are which since I’m sure most of us can pretty much  determine that for ourselves.

  • melbyj89

    i like that kpop industry is real and dont hide
    they’re out with it like yeah they’re popular because they r gorgeous.
    Unlike fallen off hollywood who won’t even say stars like rihanna or katy perry have no talent and they r only promoted because they r supposedly pretty
    they rather show stalker pics and videos of them without ever addressing the elephant in the room.

    • Grace Ecarg

      Did I hear right? Cause kpop industry is definitely the one who “hides” and it seems pretty fake to me, even the visuals stuff.  

    • destined2bebossy

      you lost me at “Rihanna has no talent” and “‘supposedly’ pretty”

  • kruhgisthtkrubaiogbeu

    I have a question. Is there a difference between the term “face” and “visual” of the group?
    Because, if we take for example an idol group like Big Bang, the visual would be TOP obviously but I think the face would be G-Dragon.

     TOP is the most attractive member (to knetizens) of Big Bang so he is typically called the visual but in Korea, if someone would mention Big Bang, GD would be the first thing that comes to their mind. GD is the most popular member of BB in Korea yet he is not the visual. Are there other cases like this?

     I think for SISTAR, Bora is the face but Hyorin is the most recognizable amongst the korean public so I’m wondering…

    • http://1nspirit96.tumblr.com/ Mrs_KimSungGyu

      I think there is. Your example is pretty good. Hyorin is not the visual of the group but as far as Korea is concerned, she is indeed the face. She’s the one people recognize and I think that’s where the difference lies. 

      It’s possible to be the most beautiful but to not have the most presence. In rare cases where immense talent reigns supreme over looks, that is. Hyorin is indeed a prime example of this.

      On the other hand, that line is a bit blurred when it comes to groups like Miss A or T-ara, wherein the visual also happens to be the member that is recognized the most therefore making them the “face” as well.

      • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

        I thought Jiyeon and Eunjung had similar levels of popularity and recognition, but you make your point well. ^_^

      • Sha

        I agree…Visual is the most good looking members for so many people..FACE is the Most Popular Member…it’s just happened that most of K-pop Groups there visual is there FACE too. Just like Miss A & T-ara as you said Suzy & Jiyeon are both the Visual, The Face & at the same time the MAKNAE, they only differ in skills since Suzy is (Main/Lead Vocalist) while Jiyeon is a Main Dancer..anyway these two are my bias.

    • sabcan

      i think your example is flawed because gd and top are at equal levels of popularity.

      and bigbang doesn’t really have a visual in the traditional sense of the word because they were all (even top to some extent) considered ugly when they debuted.

      • kruhgisthtkrubaiogbeu

         Nope. GD is in fact the most popular BB member in Korea. They’re not at equal levels of popularity lol

        • sabcan

          i don’t need to ask kvips. i’ve lived in korea. there’s a difference between being the most popular member within the fanbase and outside of it (and even that is debatable since top’s and gd’s fans overlap a lot. they even have the same fansite administrators for some of the most popular fansites. on the whole, top fans just tend to be older and therefore quieter.)

          top and daesung both appeal to a wider demographic simply because top is an actor and daesung used to be on tv regularly. they have a larger number of casual fans because of that. daesung was the first member to get a solo cf and top is currently the only member with solo cfs (he has 3). top and gd are most definitely at the same level of popularity. and both are marketed equally promiently though in very different ways

          gd is also a very polarizing figure. he has huge number of haters, especially among the general public. that doesn’t lessen his popularity but if you’re going to measure things like trending topics on nate, it puts that in perspective.

          and no, the other members are not at an equal level of popularity either. not within the fanbase or outside of it. lol.

    • noiha

      imo, don’t go mix up “visual” and “face”/”representative”. they often the same people all along, but could be different. dasom/bora is probably the “visual” of the group, but hyorin eat up all the medias’ attention. idk who the hell is the “visual” in beg or b2st, but gain and kikwang are definitely the “face” of the group. i know myungsoo is the “visual” and he’s getting more attention now, but at the first of their debut, well you know how camera directors love hoya so much.

      that’s said, if they only go by the title “visual” without attracting personality/talent, they aren’t able to stood out in the group either.

  • marz22

    Hmmm I think people dont know that in Eko-K, Sehun is the visual while Kai is for sexiness (Exo-K interview joynews24). In Exo-M, Kris is def most popular among intl fans but Luhan’s wildly popular in China. His fancafe’s # of fans outnumbered other M’s fans combined! But so many visuals to choose from (Sehun, Kris, and Luhan imo are tie for most handsome). If Luhan’s the face then at least people won’t use the “just a pretty face” card on him.

  • intheshort

    Seeing as Minho singlehandedly looped me into SHINee (despite the fact I lean more towards Key and Jonghyun now), I can’t complain about the so-called “visual”. 

  • moua23

    I think you made quiet a point. The face of the group does in a way promote the group but honestly good music will sell if not it won’t sell. But the issue with the dead weights is that it always puts the group’s musical talents in question. I feel that the dead weights in the group always overshadow the more talented members, why? I honestly don’t get that, the talented ones goes unknown while the pretty ones goes noticed. It’s like in SNSD, Yoona is popular but honestly what is her talent? She can hardly hold a note, her dancing is mediocre, her acting is idk I’ve never watched any of her dramas. What about Hyoyeon, the best dancer in the group, she’s underrated, hardly gets the spotlight, heck now even in the more popular members in the group are taking her spot. I honestly feel that too many Kpop Acts have too large of groups with A LOT of dead weights that overshadow the group’s talents. This is the issue of them making a splash in other music market, yeah they make alright music but their dancing is mediocre and three can sing but the other 10? Nada. That’s the problem, I feel that companies should build a group of actually talented people not just 3 talented then fill the fillers with good looking people who brings the group down. An example of power group? DBSK and BIGBANG. These two have all members talented, their talent capability is never really questioned. Groups like SNSD, 2PM, After School, 2NE1, T-ARA, KARA, SUPER JUNIOR, and Wonder Girls are always question but the thing about both 2NE1 and Wonder Girls are that it’s only one out of the rest and yes it’s the face of the group. Then the rest of the list, they have ALOT of fillers, 3/9 of SNSD can sing, 4/9 of them can sing, none can rap, why couldn’t it be a group composed of 4 people rather than 9? This would’ve been an advantage. For 2PM, 1/2 of them can sing and they can all dance, and gotta give it to Taec not a GD or TOP rapper but he isn’t bad, but why couldn’t it be a group of 5 rather than 6? Nichkhun and Chansun’s singing ability are always questioned. I could go days but I’ll end it here, but I think T-ARA, SUJU, and SNSD is the worst offender of this, too many fillers. 

    • kurdoodle

      I would have to argue for Super Junior… face it, SuJu isn’t a group MADE for music. They’re a variety group – the group was created as an avenue for the members to make it into the entertainment world, whether it be acting, MCing, radio DJing, etc. Yes, at first glance, it seems as if there are tons of dead weights – but think about it, were they really meant to go this far? No. They were going to be gone within a year or so with Super Junior 05. It’s amazing just how far they’ve come, and the reason why they have become so popular is because they have worked their butts off in all the other sectors of the entertainment world, capturing the hearts of fans. Super Junior is a really mismatched group once you think about it, yet they are able to mesh wonderfully and be loved anyway. Sometimes it’s not all about the music (a sad reality), and if this formula of having visuals and “dead weights” among the actual “talented” (which is subjective) people actually works and sells, I don’t see why not. Granted, SNSD was MEANT to be a super group, but no one can deny just how much of an influence they have. K-pop is image-oriented, and that will never change.

      • noiha

        yup. i too want suju to step up a bit in terms of musicality, but you gotta admit most of their popularity comes from their variety gigs. what make me lost interest on them these few years is, now even their variety/solo gigs came out less-entertaining for me. i know some members are on high demand, but it’s kinda sad that they choose to “over-market” few members only instead of giving them all fairly same publicity. and when i watch them on group, i noticed the tension came from huge gap of income between members. no more friendly rivalry i loved from “EHB”, all of them craving and battling for air time now leaving quiet members behind that it seems less-entertaining. if they want to do well in variety show, they should learn how to “catch” other members’ joke and giving others their fair share of screen time (cue, shinhwa!).

        • kurdoodle

          Yeah, now I don’t really watch the shows that the members are on… mainly because of time, and also because not all the members are there. The best shows were Full House and EHB – daaang, they were so hilarious! THAT’S how you fall in love with SJ :’) <3 Anyways, it's obvious that they're kind of losing it, and it's really sad :(

      • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

        Personally, I think SJ should have remained a rotational group. ELFs would kill me, but, I mean…I think Siwon cares more about acting. I think Leeteuk and Shindong and Heechul (in the past) probably considers(considered) their work to be variety shows and radio hosting. Clearly Kibum realized this (or did he? 

        I mean, these extra members are holding back the more talented members of the group musically. Kyuhyun, Yesung, Ryeowook, and Sungmin are held back vocally. Eunhyuk and Donghae probably dancing-wise. You made your argument that SJ isn’t made for music and is a variety group…well, they should stick to variety then. If SJ had stayed as a rotational group, these members would pretty much be doing the same thing without releasing bad music that drags down the musically talented members.

        • kurdoodle

          That’s a good point. But ELFs would kill you for sure, haha. But if SJ stayed rotational, then most likely the individual members would not be as “famous” in their respective industries…if they had only been in there for one year back in 2005 when they weren’t that popular yet, then I don’t see how it would help them, assuming that this is the purpose for being in a group like this. If the musically-talented members were also rotational, who knows what would happen to them either? Stay in the group while random other members cycle in? Form their own group in the future? Who knows.

          Since all of that is mostly out of the question for now, I think it would be awesome for SM to make a subgroup of Kyuhyun, Ryeowook, Yesung, Donghae, Sungmin, and Eunhyuk :) I have always seen them as the “core” of the group – when one or more of them go to the military (assuming SJ still exists), then the group would be taking a really huge blow.

          • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

            Yeah, I’ve joked about how SJ’s lucky they have Kyuhyun and Ryeowook, because otherwise they’d be screwed without Yesung. xP

            Good point, I hadn’t really thought of that. 

        • Euffie

          I have to disagree will all of these anti suju sentiments. There isn’t one Dara or Yoona in Suju. There isn’t one member who is unable to sing his respective part decently or execute the choreography with moderate precision and competency. So who’s being held back exactly? While not every member can sing like K.R.Y. Or dance like Eunhae there really is no member that does not perform his task as an entertainer well. If you want high quality songs I suggest you stop listening to kpop. Try opera or classical music. Suju is successful because not only do the members perform well, they are entertaining in other venues. They’re funny and relatable and can dance and sing too. If that’s not deserving of a place in kpop then what is? Sure I’m an ELF so my opinion is a little biased, but it’s not like I haven’t seen groups with members who can’t sing at all (2pm,2ne1, and yes even my girls, SNSD) and if you tell me that it’s you, marry you, sorry sorry, bonamana, a-cha, mr. Simple, SFS, and from you are all bad songs then I truly believe that kpop is not your forte and you should seek a different genre of music because you either just hate suju or you just hate kpop, but most fans, not just ELFs would disagree with you.

          -end rant-

          • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

            Sorry…I was obsessed with Suju for two months. I adore adore adore Kyuhyun’s voice, with his chocolate tone. I only listened to their music for that entire time. I’ve seen fancams, MR Removed videos, live performances, the works, and you can never convince me that Leeteuk, Shindong, Siwon, and Kangin have stage presence. Variety presence, sure. But they really don’t add anything to the group performance-wise. I don’t hate the entire group…I just hate the unnecessary members that drag down the group.

            And, no, I don’t think that “It’s You”, “Sorry Sorry”, “Super Girl”, and “Perfection” are bad songs. I quite like some of them. Good songs doesn’t necessarily equal talented group members, though. >.<

    • noiha

      these “idols” aren’t meant to be super-talented singers/stage performers, most of them will later embraced different career path. they’re here to entertain us. if you’re not entertained, you shouldn’t follow kpop idol groups on the first place. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

        I agree with this comment.

        When I listen to K-pop, I know what I am getting — attractive idols singing catchy, but artistically barren (in most cases), songs. 

        I definitely don’t go into K-pop expecting world class singers, powerful political, social, psychological, or theological messages. All I expect to hear is catchy hooks, see precision dancing, all done by nice looking idols. To expect more would just be ludicrous.

  • destined2bebossy

    Can we talk ‘maknae’ role too?

    Like I can get why stating your the youngest is important (esp. in Korea) but that actually being your role is wierd. Fans say __’s the lead singer __’s the dancer etc.. and __’s the maknae.

    And if someone is not that talented its ok cause their role is just of the “MAKNAE”. Since when was being born the latest such a big achievement?

    • kurdoodle

      But many times, the maknae is still talented and has another role in the group :)

    • noiha

      this is what makes kpop sooo fun to follow~ xD maknae is a virtue, because they can utilize this “maknae” a lot in variety shows. changmin or kyuhyun being snarky wouldn’t be that interesting if not for the fact that they’re the youngest. andy or gwangsoo (in RM) being bullied wouldn’t be that interesting either if not for the fact that they’re the youngest. yeah, it’s ridiculous. but you gotta admit it’s fun to certain degree.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5BKARJWK7NNOXYOIUSP76YJW4 Aj

         maknaes are fascinating and cute.I dont know why.

      • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

        Yeah, lol. A lot of the times the maknae ends up as my favorite member. xP

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5BKARJWK7NNOXYOIUSP76YJW4 Aj

     I wasn’t reeled in into my favorite groups not because of the “visual” member. Must not be the same with others though. I was a fan of Kyuhyun even before I became a Super Junior fan and Kyuhyun is not exactly the visual but he is maknae on top. Others are debating if TOP is the visual I think he is since it’s how the other BigBang members say about him like the charisma or the visual.When I first saw a pic of TOP I thought he looks hideous it was the mv of Love Song that made me a fan of BigBang not because anyone looked handsome but because the mv was awesome. Funny though that i became a TOP bias when I started being a BigBang fan because hes just hilarious.The strategy to reel in future fans by putting the visual in the front or who is usually first seen on the beginning of the mv works for some but sometimes they end up another members’ fan when they get to know the group more.A visual may be a good strategy but not necessarily important for a group.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      Lol, I thought I was the only one who wasn’t attracted to TOP. :P

      I mean, I think he’s definitely talented and everything, and I’ve started to find him more attractive over time, but I originally thought he looked kinda old and wasn’t very attracted to him at all. xPP

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5BKARJWK7NNOXYOIUSP76YJW4 Aj

        Right right,I think he’s handsome in a weird way.He looked ugly at first then later on you hate yourself for thinking he’s ugly.Now I cant get enough of him.

        • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

          Well, I don’t hate myself, and I still don’t find him to be the most attractive person in K-pop, but I can see his appeal now. I think he looks a million times better circa 2008, because they styled him more natural then. 

          I think it’s the eyebrows, though. At first, I thought they were really unappealing, but now I’m staring to find them compelling…

  • http://twitter.com/LaysDimples Krispy Lays

    Dude, Jonghyun is the face of SHINee, not Minho… and Kai + Luhan are the face of EXO-K / M.. not Kris. Although Kris IS good looking.

    • http://twitter.com/PatriciaRod92 Patricia Rodrigues

      Minho is the visual in SHINee

    • Linda Toro

      Actually in an interview, i don’t remember who said it but this person said that all of the member of EXO are visuals, that’s why SM chose them and not other trainees

    • http://twitter.com/Genesis_EXOtic ☆Gℯnℯsis☆

      There is an interview where is said that Sehun is the visual of EXO-K

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1664430738 Lynn Nguyen

    Infinite L~ <3

  • http://twitter.com/MStyle_Girl Joyce

    Jaejoong is not the typical Visual.

    He’s got the talents & melting voice to boot too.

  • http://twitter.com/Takitty31 Verdi

     Minho…Ok, Jonghyun..Well, he can be the visual of SHINee, but, in my opinion, the real visual of SHINee is Key.

  • http://www.facebook.com/saranghae.kpop.7 Saranghae K-pop

    Sandara <3333

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/See-Chang/619519634 See Chang


  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000918671831 Keyurik Faever

    even though kris is not a visual
    Kris duizhang is JJang!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000182493187 Sandi Tun

    This article is so damn bias.ed

  • http://twitter.com/diechaa2108 diechaa2108

    i think Miss A Suzy can join…kk~

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003287833369 Ching Ching Rachel Yeh

    L so cute :3

  • emily235

    I need to say this- am I honestly the only one that has no FREAKING idea how Minho is the visual of SHINee?
    Honestly- I think he’s the ugliest/most useless member,
    When compared to Taemin’s beauty, Key’s Almightiness, Jonghyun’s vocals, and Onew’s voice/leader status, what benefit is Minho?
    Don’t spam me, Minho lovers. I honestly just don’t see the appeal.

    • http://twitter.com/xofrancesss Frances

      Minho’s the visual because when they made their debut, he was the best looking

      • emily235

        I have to go find pictures of them pre-debut…

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      By Korean standards, he’s the most attractive. Plus the tallest. It’s more your opinion that he’s “ugly”.

      I mean, my bias in SHINee is either Taemin or Onew, but I can definitely see why Minho is/was the visual. I feel like Taemin is practically the visual these days, but I find Minho the most attractive. 

      Plus, since when have vocals equaled visual status…? O.o (Except in Jaejoong’s case, lol. xP)

  • ArielLM13

    I don’t think visuals are bad, I just think the role of visual has it’s setbacks sometimes. I totally get the point of a visual. They are the face of the group and sometimes really do help spread the groups name. It doesn’t necessarily mean they are the best looking, the visual is just usually the person people are more familiar with or most willing to except. Dara of 2NE1 for example is visual. Why? Because she is already known outside of Korea. The minute 2NE1 debuted, they had a Philippian fan base because of her. Or we can Kikwang of BEAST as another example. He is visual because people already knew him from his solo career and high kick. These are examples of visuals doing what the are supposed to. Still sometimes, it seems as though being the visual is just a title for idols who aren’t very relevant otherwise. Not to say these members are untalented, just that at the end of the day they aren’t one of the best singers, dancers, or rappers in their group. These members may still be a really great singer or dancer. Take Siwon of SuJu, he doesn’t get much singing parts, isn’t really noted as a dancer. When he is on a show or interviewing the topic usually sifts to his looks. A great example for me personally is Kiseop of UKISS. I don’t doubt that he is a great singer or dancer, he did make it into the group after all. However he doesn’t many lines in songs. He is literally known just for being an Ulzzang. That being the case some people question his presence in the group(Not me). I do wonder though if there is really a need for a set visual. In B.A.P Himchan is supposed to be the visual but after they debuted fully as a group it was discovered that more people liked Daehyun as visual better. Daehyun doesn’t need the title visual though because he’s the main vocalist. Much like Hyuna is a visual but what for? She’s already the rapper and the main dancer but Hyuna was known because she debuted under the Wonder girls. Then there is BIGBANG, a group that doesn’t even have a set visual because when they debuted all of their looks were kind of outlandish to start with, for a Boyband that is. You know what I think is funny? In America the visual of groups is always the one who does the most. Think about it, Beyonce or Justin Timberlake. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1606836497 Vedrana Miščević

      Hey,I just want to say something.

      I’m actually an ELF,but I wanna talk about Kiseop.

      He is actually U-kiss’s main dancer(I presume you didn’t know that) and he’s actually
      pretty good at dancing…and something that surprised me a few weeks ago is
      that he’s a pretty good singer,decent.

      But you definitely have a point,he was known as an ulzzang before his debut
      and being an ulzzang in Korea obviously means a lot so that “makes”
      him the visual even though the maknae Dongho is a handsome boy and could easily
      be the visual since he is very much liked by the fans(in fact,I think he and
      Kevin are most popular among fans,especially him).I mean,he’s just a side
      rapper,Eli and AJ are the main rappers and Dongho doesn’t even get to rap that

      About Siwon.He actually gets a nice amount of lines.After all,SJ does have
      11 active members(well 2 are in the army now but their album in 2011 had 11
      active members).The main singers + two other members with the best singing
      ability get the most lines,others like Siwon get only about 2 lines per song(it
      also depends if the song is the one that’s promoted or not,if not then
      others/he may more lines).

      Well,Daehyun isn’t officially the visual,he’s just considered handsome by
      most fans that’s why he’s the given that nickname Busan Wonbin.Himchan is
      officially the visual.

      Honestly,I don’t see any talent in Hyuna.I can tolerate her rapping in
      4minute but her solo career….oh geez *shake my head* and I don’t think she
      should be the visual ‘cos there are other prettier members in that group.

      I love Big Bang,but they’re not…the handsomest guys lol.I don’t see why
      people think TOP is so handsome,I prefer GD even though he’s quite slim.Maybe
      Seungri could be the visual but I don’t even find him good looking.Come to
      think of it,BB doesn’t even have a main dancer.I guess,Taeyang could or should
      be one.

      I like Dara but she’s pretty average.Her dancing is not so good and her
      singing also.She is a sweet girl but at the end of the day,her position solely
      is the visual.She’s really pretty and thus wanted in many commercials and so
      on.It’s the same with Hyuna,her singing is probably worse than Dara’s but she’s
      a better dancer and of course her face and slim figure(very slim) makes her the
      ideal beauty in Korea.

      So yeah,the whole idea of visuals is pretty useless.You can have the best
      singer in the group with the best acting talent or the best dancer and best
      rapper etc.

      On the other hand,you said it yourself:people are more willing to accept the
      visual ‘cos he/she is the best looking member of a group and is thus the
      visual.Just an example,at the beginning of most SJ music videos Siwon is the
      first or one of the first members to sing or to appear.Of course,to attract

      Wow I actually have said a lot more than just talked about Kiseop :) lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729154428 Chastina Li

    Visual is an important role in any group because out of the many types of promotions and commercial activities a group does, a fair number of them require the function of a visual. Such activities as CF shooting, magazine shoot, fashion ads and many others require a good looking member to pull their weight to get the job done. Don’t complain about how the shear existence of a visual in kpop groups reveals the shallowness of the business because looks play into an artist’s success big time wherever you go in the world. If solo artists are the whole package then idol groups are parts of that package, there is singing, dancing, personality and looks. The visuals are the ones who get fans screaming their heads off for them by just standing there with a cool poker-face or showing off that eye-smile of his/hers. It seems that the visual, the mangae and the leader really do nothing much in the group with their talent-unrelated duties but they all have their area of duties and the functioning of an intact group depends on all of them.

  • avebak

    Minho isn’t bad at singing, he actually has a decent voice. He also isn’t a bad dancer, but he just happens to be in a group where everything he does can be done by someone else, just as well and better. I love his personality, and I think if he continues to improve his acting skills, he can become even better at promoting himself and his group.

    To me, SHINee is amazing how they are. I need no changes…

  • trinamariechan

    Jaejoong, definitely the fairest of them all…. No doubt about that :)
    Exo has a lot. (Kris is my favorite, okay!) but I didn’t know he was the main visual. I thought it was Luhan for EXO M…. but apparently, Kris can pretty much easily pass off as a visual as well
    Same goes for EXO K. Kai is supposed to be the visual but Chanyeol can also act at the same role at certain times <3

    I totally agree with this post! A visual is definitely needed to promote a group
    and I'll admit, I started to love TVXQ back in 2006 all because of Kim Jaejoong (and Shim Changmin) but its the personality (in my opinion) that makes you stay in the fandom for so long.
    If Jaejoong were some self-centered, boring/square, or rude member, I'd kiss tvxq goodbye but….he wasn't.. no ISN'T. He's sweet, funny, caring (hence the mother of the group), respectful, humble and just overall lovable.

    Looks can only take you so far. In the end, it depends on the person's character~
    (and *cough* also their talent. Another factor as to why I stuck by tvxq so long is not b/c of their *glorious* looks but because of their undeniably epic talents. :Q__)

  • viki32

    first time I got into K-pop I thought visual is the member who makes some visual art or design for their artworks or something of that sorts… lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/marshmellowbelly Christina Xu

    wait…SHINEE’S MINHO??? that man is not the visual. taemin is. im positive of that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1209823166 Lynx Lok

      Do more research. It is Minho

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=66902047 Cristina Marasigan

    There is no doubt that JYJ members are three of the most talented artists coming out of Asia. Most of the EXO members are visually appealing, after monitoring them they don’t present a member or two as the labeled visual. But one that gets most of the attention is Kai, and after seeing him perform live I have to admit this kid is talented. There are the resident “dance machines” and there are the choreographer’s dream. Kai can flat out dance, and Exo-K’s main vocalist can flat out sing. Both became “visuals” in their own right. With this, I think that the musical substance of KPop, the artistic talent, will be carried on and groups like MBLAQ and EXO-K make me proud to still be a KPop listener to this day.

  • http://twitter.com/_whereyouare celeste ♡

    I wonder why no one mentioned Yonghwa~

  • SoneaDelvon

    Cheondung of MBLAQ can sing AND dance too. it’s not right to say, that ALL visuals can’t sing. Like I know Kim Hyun Joong was it in SS501 aswell, do you want to say, that he can’t sing, dance or act? O.o And I would’t say, that siwon’s singing ist bad..he just don’t get the chance to sing very much. -.-

  • Lyly Jang

    Well, Myungsoo/L is my ultimate male bias and he’s the third best singer behind Sunggyu and Woohyun. He can definitly dance (he’s in infinite duhh) so yeah… pretty much all the package x) i heard that he like rapping (really not sure about it).. so that’s it x)

  • IAmYen

    But seriously? Luhan is the visual/face of the group in Exo-M & Kai in Exo-K, not Kris. Kris is charismatic but he’s not the visual. :)

  • SJHyo

    Choi Sulli is visual but not useless…she can sing and rap and Dara is not useless :D

  • Teleri

    Having roles in the groups means that not ALL the members have to be beautiful – I do believe this essential fact got totally missed. So, certainly someone w/exceptional talent who is not particularly gorgeous has an EXCELLENT chance at being in one of these KPop groups – you find that all over the place.