• http://shinie165.livejournal.com/ shinie

    S.E.S as your example of  “would probably just be relegated to serving as back vocals today”?

    I’m pretty sure that even in Korea back then, S.E.S has always been more about their image than vocals. With Eugene was the face while Shoo was the personality and only Bada’s vocal was considered as good. Idk about you but i simply can’t see Bada as a back vocal.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

      IKR?! Honestly, I consider Bada as one of the best female idol singers to have ever debuted. Sure, the standards and talent level are higher for current idols, but the best singers of the 1st gen idols are still some of the best idols singers to have ever debuted. The singing talents of Bada, Ock Juhyun, Shin Hyesung, Kangta, Kim Taewoo are still very much recognized up to this day.

      • http://twitter.com/nicholys Nicholas_SB

        Should have been more clear. 

        Was referring also to the other aspects of the performance and song composition. Things have come a very long way from them too.

        Having seen some older performances, yes the older generation did have some quality singing (like Hyesung and Ock Juhyun, when she was on I’m a Singer) , there were others who were either let down by poor A & R or better due to nostalgic associations.

    • black_rose45000

      I’m not very familiar with 1gen idols but yeah, I was under the impression at least Bada was good too. She also starred in musicals so I figured she was cast so many times for something >.> That phrase in the article had me confused.
      Besides, that song posted up there doesn’t showcase their vocal abilities well and there are probably such other songs too. Maybe a live performance would’ve been more fit to be used as an example.

  • kk

    By definition “dead weights” are suppose to be the least talented members of the group, but in reality the true dead weights are the least popular members…unless you are exceptionally talented and your vocals/dances are essential to the group’s music/performance. E.g. Minzy in 2NE1, Hyunseung before Troublemaker, Junsu of 2PM, etc.

    Generally: Least talented = Best looking = Most popular = Contribute the most to the group’s success

    SNSD: Yoona and Yuri
    2NE1: Dara
    Wonder Girls: Sohee
    4 Minute: Hyuna
    2PM: Taecyeon, Nichkhun
    DB5K: Jaejoong
    SUJU: Heechul, Siwon, Kibum, Leeteuk
    Shinee: Minho

    I don’t think dead weights really apply in K-Pop. Musically speaking, 5 is the maximum number you should have in a group for every member to be heard. But in K-pop the more “useless” members you have the higher the chances of the group becoming popular.

    • http://twitter.com/MrCKDexter Rachel

      Ah, think that’s a misfire Jaejoong the least talented in DB5K. Besides his face, his vocal talent is rock solid. If I had to name a least talented member, I might call out Changmin, but even he is damn good too.

      • kk

        oops i edited my comment, didn’t know what i was thinking, jaejoong and changmin both have great vocals

        …i don’t consider variety shows a plus to the group…and chansung is so dead weight that i forgot him lol

        • myeolraVIP

          “and lol chansung is so dead weight that i forgot he existed” – So MEAN! Hahaha. =)

      • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

        Lol, I think you can’t really call out anyone in DB5K as the least talented… (I’m biased as hell xP).

    • idontknoe

      Jessica’s a main vocal, same status as Taeyon and Taemins the main dancer and a solid live vocal dancer.

    • Black_Plague

      I really don’t see how Jessica can be compared with the rest in that list. Granted, she is one of the more recognizable and popular members (at least from 09 and onwards) but her singing ability without a doubt easily nukes everyone in that list to dust.

      She ain’t SNSD’s lead vocal (main occasionally) for nothing. 

    • jesuis2

      Dara may not have the strongest voice, but it’s pleasant enuf and she has charisma unlike some of the others on the list.

      Even by “Asian standards”, Uee is not among the best-looking in AS, but I guess those “honey thighs” paid off.

  • Khaddie

    The issue of deadweights would be quite straightforward if idol groups were purely considered based on music. In that case, it’s easy to pick out people like Dara, Minho, Sulli, Sohee, Yoona…etc.

    On the other hand, if you look at them based on performances, then the “dancers” in the group like Taemin, Jia, Yunho.. etc are given a significant role and stop being deadweights (though some of them also develop into stable vocalists.)

    I think who you consider a deadweight mostly depend on what you consider te function of an idol group to be. Someone that looks at them as a “brand” with music being one part of it will see the value in having a Dara in the group or having 9-13 members. Those that are interested purely for the music won’t really like the idea of having “faces” or designated “variety” members.

    Though I like a lot of groups, personally, I prefer groups that are a healthy middle, like:

    Miss A: A good blend or variety (Min), face (Suzy) and dancers/singers/rappers (Jia and Fei). But I what I like the most is that each member is capable of handling te performance and singing aspect (Min is a great dancer and vocalist while Suzy can keep up with choreography and vocals)

    DB5K: Not the most known for variety (though I personally found them hilarious), but well rounded members that are popular in their own right. It also helps that they were all fantactics singers. Yes, even Yunho when he doesn’t do that annoying chipmunk high on helium voice.

    Big Bang: Great rappers (GD and TOP), awesome singers (Daesung, Taeyang and even Seungri), dancers (Taeyang and Seungri) and good variety/ outside projects (Daesung, Seungri, TOP).

    There are other groups like SHINee ( bit hesitant about them, but they are well rounded, I’ll give them that), 2NE1 (good singers , though Bom is quite unreliable when it comes to lives and Dara has quite a thin voice. Good stage presence (though I’ve got to admit most of that is arguably due to CL and Minzy) and funny/weird members (Bom and Dara) and Infinite (my latest obsession, but personally I find the members usefull and well rounded, mostly because I consider the choreography and dancing when judging them.)

    So in short, deadweights are dependant on your perception of the groups and either singers that do other stuff on the side or pretty people that are part of this brand, with one part of their activities being music.

  • happy_slip

    At the end of the day, it all boils down to how the company utilizes the members, regardless of how talented they are or not. I think more than the deadweight issue, it really goes back to how the members are given parts and roles in their respective groups. Other than the ‘gimmick’, I do believe that if the company at least finds an avenue for each member (be it small or big), adding lesser talented idol members wouldn’t be such a big issue as it is now. 

    It’s too idealistic to say and hope for a group full of Taeyeons or CLs. And frankly, in a teen pop business catered to young people who arguably have different reasons for liking and being a fan of a certain group or band, that kind of mindset wouldn’t really work. That being said, while I don’t get particularly enamored with group faces like Sohee, Hara, Dara, Minho, etc., I understand the purpose why they’re there really. Does it ever enter my mind that they tend to bring the performances down at times? Yes, I do, but as I’ve said, so as long as the company uses them well it will be fine. Dara, for one, have been given parts that are always geared to balancing their songs. Most parts were small, but good enough to give added dynamic in their singles. If they’re singing something that needs the quality of voice the other three possess, she gets pushed into doing something (example: it hurts mv – she was the lead). Music-wise, I can say that she isn’t shoved aside that people forget her, but at the same time she isn’t given so much (say, like Sohee in Be my Baby, although I’d like to think that JYPE has good intentions on that one) that people start to feel like the more talented members are getting the short end of the stick. Actually, I don’t feel like this is such a big issue to groups like 2NE1, f(x) or SHINee — one, they’re small and for the most part the ‘deadweights’ can deal with what the whole group is doing, so. KARA is also a great example; I’ve seen people express that Hara and Jiyoung dragged the group down, but somehow the company was able to put all of them into good use. The company/KARA managed to find something that works well for them, despite claims that they’re one of the “less talented” groups out there. 

    The problem lies imo, to groups like T-ara. You make a group consisting of 5-6 people, but only have three of them to get the most exposure. To make things worse, you add more members that probably are in the same talent/skill level like the older members if not less. That’s were the deadweight issue becomes a big problem imo. AS faced the same problem if not worse, because some time during their line-up changes there was a point where their actual talented members (see Bekah) became the deadweight because the new members were given more exposure and unfortunately, got more popular to the fans. 4minute is another pressing example. There was an attempt to equalize each member by making Jihyun the leader, and giving good parts to Jiyoon and Gayoon but in the end CUBE resorted to just having HyunA take most of the job to keep 4minute afloat.

  • YourYG Bias

    You can’t be great at everything, and I consider some of these deadweights to be my biases in the group. I know she can’t sing and all that, but Sohee getting lost at the flashmob event was just priceless.

    I was a Dara fan before she even came to Korea so I guess the deadweight brought me over. Her singing is actually better than some of the other deadweights so… 

    LOL, delusional. 

  • inxomnia

    I personally think it depends on the context and criteria. I mean we all know how idol groups are essentially broken down and formulaic. You know there has to be someone who has more talent, someone who is the visual, the maknae, the leader, the charismatic or the cutesy member. Considering they all have a role and are meant to balance each other out, I don’t think that it’s fair to call them deadweight. 

    However, there are sometimes a lack of talent (though they may excel elsewhere, maybe in effort or looks). Sometimes, the talented members lack stage presence. That’s usually sadder in my opinion. 

  • pg13247

    If there really was a group of Taeyeons or CL’s I don’t see them lasting very long due to members feeling “overshadowed” or “craving the spotlight” for their talent.
    There are always “dead weights” in a group, but these groups stood out to me:

    A Pink is very odd. It’s like almost the whole group is deadweight except Eunji and sometimes Namjoo. They just don’t have the charisma that Eunji has when performing and it made their “Hush” performances look very boring.

    4Minute could arguably be called a deadweight group, except Double Yoon is generally considered to be more talented than Hyuna. They simply need better material.

    I feel really bad for SISTAR’s Dasom but she simply isn’t pulling her weight in the group. Bora would be in this position if not for SISTAR19 and the idol olympics. Dasom’s voice comes and goes and the 1 time it really impressed me was when they performed “The Real Party”. If she could keep up with that kind of singing it would greatly improve her popularity. (This was a sketchbook performance)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/H4RUKD2LBKW3T4LRYIRUEGJEGQ Nymphadora

      You’re forgetting Bomi in A Pink. That girl can hit her high notes and is quite good in variety (gorilla walk, farting besides Woohyun, etc). Chorong also has her charm, being the “Shock Girl” in B2ST’s MV teaser and appearing in BTOB’s Insane. She has that uniquely squeaky voice that comes out innocent and fairy-like, so she’s perfect for a group like A Pink (+ she can actually hit some high notes if you listen to I Got You). Yookyoung and Naeun are decent singers, and it helps that Yookyoung can speak English for those random/awkward Engrish phrases in their songs (at least with correct pronunciation it’s not as cringe-worthy) and Naeun has lots of fanboys because of her looks. Honestly the only dead weight in the group is the maknae. It’s been a year and she still delivers her line shakily at times. I don’t think she can carry a tune that well too — I mean, sure she’s pretty, but the group has more than enough pretty girls already. The girl’s still sixteen, wouldn’t it better if Cube keeps her as a trainee for a year or two?

      (It’s ironic how if Eunji’s voice is not phenomenal she would be the dead weight since she seemed to be the one messing up the dance moves a lot :p)

      I guess for me there should be an even distribution of unexceptionally talented, decently talented, and they’ll-pass-if-they’re-good-looking-or-funny talented. 

      In A Pink, we have Eunji (God bless her voice), Bomi, and Namjoo that have great vocals. Chorong can sing and dance and rap — she’s sorta like the Jay Park in A Pink, I guess, a triple-threat though one or two of their skills are not that mindblowingly good. Yookyoung and Naeun’s decent in singing and dancing, so these two plus Chorong falls into the decently talented category. Hayoung’s a dead weight. From a group of seven girls, we have three amazing vocals and another three that have fair voices but contributes to the team by either being pretty or can speak English. 

      Also, Hush didn’t do the girls justice. They covered FINKL and SES in a radio program once and you can hear Bomi and Namjoo’s high notes clearly. Their other songs in Une Annee showcased the girls’ potential more, and when they sung bits of it live (also from a radio program), I actually came to like Yookyoung’s voice. I honestly thought she was just the English-speaker in the group, but her voice isn’t really half bad.

      Sorry for the A Pink essay lol if you haven’t guessed yet I’m a Pink Panda and I have a lot of feels about this group :p

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jessica-Cottle/1297801414 Jessica Cottle

    I think a person is a dead weight if they’ve never been recognized for something or given a role by the fans. The company can assign roles, but fans truly make them. It’s like how Junsu was supposed to be charisma when DBSK debuted and Jaejoong was supposed to be cold and distant. About 3 years into their debut the fans realized Junsu was insanely adorable and Jaejoong was a 4D spit fire (of course it also helps that these two have amazing vocal ability as the main and lead vocals of the group). When the fans dub someone “the face” or “handsome” and NOTHING MORE, I think that’s when a person can be considered dead weight.

  • black_rose45000

    In the first paragraph, you say “These are some of the terms which have been bandied around to describe
    group dead-weights, the members in the group who get overshadowed by
    their illustrious stable mates, and languish with reduced fan support.”
    I’m not sure the definition of “deadweight” can be narrowed down to that. From Seoulbeats, I found out that usually deadweights are considered the ones who apparently lack talent: Siwon, Yuna, Minho, Dara, but these basically have the role of “visuals” in their groups, right? They are, at the end of the day, huge money-makers. And isn’t Siwon a good actor? I haven’t watched him in anything else other than Skip Beat, but please don’t tell me he’s had so many roles only based on his good looks. I’d be pissed if that was so.
    So, these idols are very popular, aren’t they, which comes in contradiction with “overshadowed”, “reduced fan support”.
    Generally, in any group, each idol fulfills a role, so I don’t see how anyone can be considered a deadweight (it’s also in the company’s advantage that each member gets assigned an image that he has to stick to and promote to make sure none of them falls into the category of “deadweights” or as I think it may mean, “unproductive/unrentable idol”). The only real deadweight I can think of is Kibum since he hasn’t cared about anything else other than his sorry ass for the past 3 years. But after all, I have limited knowledge on idol groups.
    Then, again, by what standards has Hyuna been considered a deadweight? From hear-say, I know she’s indeed a bad vocalist, but hasn’t she been marketed as a charismatic dancer and isn’t she more popular than the other members?
    Another thing is, I’m thinking, since I think SB has discussed before about a possible, upcoming Kpop downfall, it doesn’t matter how talented the new generation of idols will be, if the music keeps on taking the same route. And I doubt (I admit I don’t follow Kpop acts, especially the new ones) that the newbies make their bets on their talents, instead try to be as eye-catching and flashy and mositdaaaa~~~ as possible. (is that even the word? lol). Maybe I’m wrong, that’s just my opinion :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=513439726 Sharon Overlord

    Deadweights are idols who bring the group down when it comes to performing and singing. Give no performance value and does nothing outside to group to bring in more fans. The only dead weight in suju is Shindong bc most fans hate him. He pretty nonexistant in the group, except for those dance breaks which he can be easily replaced.There are many variety idols in suju to take his place.

    Heechul though is very talented. lolz, never thought I would say that, but he is. He brings in a lot of fans, adored by many fans and he has star quality in suju. I always get excited when its his part just bc he knows how to work the crowd. Dara is needed in 2NE1. No one else has personalities there that is liked by the korean public. Except for maybe BOM. 

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      I would say that performance-wise, Shindong isn’t the only practically nonexistant member…. :/ I mean, don’t some of them just get 5-10 seconds of singing? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003507824553 ICassie Gaemgyu

      I was waiting for someone here to mention Shindong.. lol !
      I really wonder if he feels it.. it must be awkward at times.. I often think that if I were in his situation I would be in tears everyday and probably quit the group asap..
      but I heard he is the friendliest and most accomodating of the lot… or is it cos he needs to be that way… hmm..
      (he has himself to blame for some of the hatred.. mentioning that he doesn’t like fat girls? … really stupid statement to make..)

  • http://www.twitter.com/veiledheart veiledheart

    Deadweight to me is someone who serves no purpose at all. Sadly the norm is that not everyone can carry a tune, but at least some of them make up for it by getting the group some publicity. Hyuna can’t sing and imo she’s not even a good dancer, but she makes people give a crap about 4minute. Without her they’d be dead and buried. People like Siwon and Dara keep their groups’ names out there with all the endorsements and whatnot. Most of 2pm can’t sing, and yet they’re always doing something whether it be acting or CFs.  What does half of After School do? They might as well just be backup dancers. Same with T-ara and they just keep adding more people. If you aren’t going to do anything of note on stage, at least bring in the money off of it.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hipployta Hipployta

    Hold up…Hyunseung may have been the least interesting to some people but he is the lead vocal in Beast. Not sure how you’re determining dead weight but without Hyuna 4 Minute would be nonexistent

    You might call the visual deadweight but if they’re an actor that’s another way to bring in fans. Heechul can actually sing but his variety work and acting in daily dramas brought in fans.

    Some people are the dancers of their group but they probably are subvocals too

    Plus these kids start young and often have to grow. Seungri and Taemin arr a good example of someone who was called deadweight but developed his own dancing and vocal talents.

    I remember people used to say Yoona had too many lines in SNSD songs but that medley she and Heechul did on Family Outing showed otherwise…it just proved she is memorable.

    Anyway deadweight to me are those who serve no role or purpose…but that opinion can vary person to person because Maknae is a role too right lol

    Variety idols can keep their groups alive and known though…I’m thinking ZEA and Kwanghee as well as Heechul and Kangin. Though all 3 of them can sing. Kwanghee actually annoys me that he refuses to sing on shows and saying he has no talent when their reality shows show him singing perfectly well

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      Wait, Taemin was called a deadweight? D: I always thought it was Minho… :/

      • http://www.twitter.com/hipployta Hipployta

        Minho was called overall deadweight and Tae the same because he didnt used to really sing. When he started doing the long note for Lucifer when jjong wasnt there people got a shock…heck his chance on IS2 was insulted before he even sang one note

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

          Taemin, as the lead dancer, was never ever deadweight, even way before his vocals improved.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003507824553 ICassie Gaemgyu

            I agree. actually I don’t think there should be any Shinee members that should be
            considered as deadweight. they have more potential than some other group’s
            star talent…. its a tight group with good vocals and dancing skills…

  • Winter Rose

    well since were talking about idols and not real artists, variety skills, looks, acting, and other things actually are important and therefore an idol shouldn’t be considered a deadweight if they have them. if a company doesn’t utilize a member in any way, then they would be considered a deadweight. but of course if a group is just filled with pretty people with no talent then that is a problem

  • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

    Except…so, if the standards have gone way up, then why is JYJ’s Junsu still considered the top male idol vocalist? Why are DB5K still regarded by so many people as the most talented/well-rounded group in K-pop (along with Big Bang)? I may be biased, but these are pretty legitimate points to me…. :/

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

      Because all 5 DBSK members, even Yunho, can outsing a good majority of idols right now. While some members are not individually good in something, like Yoochun and dancing, it didn’t show onstage because what made DBSK work was teamwork. They had melodies in their songs that utilized all members’ strengths, as well choreographies that wowed everyone. Add to the fact that they’re beasts when performing. Unlike other groups where a certain member shined more than the others, DBSK shined together. When they perform, it’s not like “Yunho and his backup dancers” or “Junsu and his backup singers.” It was 5 guys doing what they do best: singing and dancing at the same time, commanding everyone’s attention.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5BKARJWK7NNOXYOIUSP76YJW4 Aj

        I love what you said. Sadly,theyre no longer a team.

      • ian

        Agree. I’m not a Cassie since I never liked their songs but what’s impressive with DBSK was that they each had a role – technically and musically. They sing like a choir with their specific voicings for songs – Yunho handles the Bass 2, Changin Tenor 2, Junsu Tenor 1, Yoochun Bass 1 and Jaejoong does Baritone. take out one of these voices and it won’t sound as cohesive. Say,  HoMin now can most definitely sing but they don’t hold that same feeling as before, same with JYJ. They’re all good vocally, and while a lot can’t really dance, er, Jaejoong and Yoochun, they cover that up with their teamwork.

  • http://twitter.com/ericyumyum I’m with Beyonce

    Out of all the deadweights mentioned in people’s comments, I feel like Dara is the best if you put her next to these other deadweight idols. Dara may not have the best singing voice, but it’s her personality and thin voice that makes her stand out. Something about Dara’s voice makes me like her a lot. It’s unique. It’s not a typical singing voice but it’s also a nice kind of voice you’d probably want to fall asleep to. Like what have others said, Dara may be the weakest link, but she brings in endorsements and she interacts with the fans more than Bom, Minzy, and CL has. 

  • http://l-sweetcloud-l.livejournal.com/ sweetcloud

    To me, dead weights are members who bring nothing to the group and/or drag the whole group down. So the perception of a dead weight depends on group dynamic and how well the marketing of each member fit that dynamic – because let’s be real, successful kpop relies on 2/3 marketing, 1/3 talent. 

    I actually have no idea how companies train and form their new groups to debut, but in my mind it goes like this, or a variation thereof:
    1) Gender: F/M/Co-ed
    2) Concept (cute/fierce/edgy/multicultural/natural beauties/c-cups… (<-lol)) and size (2/4/5/…/13)
    3) Members and roles (leader/vocalist/rapper/dancer/face)

    So every member's role and use is predefined by their companies. The key to having no deadweight is to give each member a role which will display their individual qualities and material that will showcase each of them while promoting the group concept.

    Case in point: 2NE1 is actually a well balanced group if you consider the distribution of roles and how each member acquit themselves with that role. CL exudes with charisma in her leader role, Minzy is  a fierce dancer, Bom does the ad libs, and Dara gives more exposure to the group. Not only do their roles highlight their individual strengths, but YG also give them the opportunities to showcase them. Most of the choerographies and line distributions fit them to a T. CL raps and struts, Minzy holds her own in singing and has the more complex dance moves and/or dance breaks, Bom pouts and belts, and Dara has the cute dance moves with less challenging lines. So the sum of members gives a cohesive group which shows during their performances. And since Dara's role is limited in the music department, she makes up for it in the advertising/social networking/varietying. This group success is a result of well balanced dynamic and equally distributed marketing.  

    On the other hand, 4minute is a case of theoretically good, practically gone bad. Taken separately, every member has their own qualities and should be able to fit nicely. However, group dynamic and mismanagement contributed to weighing them down. First, in the role distribution, like most people I will never understand how Ji Hyun was designated leader. She looks gorgeous and incredibly sweet, but nothing in her performance both in MVs and live stages says leader to me. Charisma wise, when I first saw Hot Issue, I knew HyunA was not the leader so my guess went immediately to Ji Yoon. As for the other members, well I guess Ga Yoon does a good job with the vocals, and So Hyun is the cute maknae. But as a whole, much like The Supremes became Diana Ross and The Supremes, with the way Cube has handled the group, 4minute are just HyunA and 4minute for most of the public. So while HyunA might be the least vocally impressive, Cube has given her so many opportunities to shine – 2 solos and one project group – that she actually became the one who lifts the whole group up. As a casual listener, I actually find Ji Hyun and So Hyun to be the deadweights, but the dynamic of the group was off balanced from the start, and the gaps between members' exposure just kept widening with every new song. 

    SNSD's Hyoyeon faces the opposite issue, if I may say, of talented member mismanaged in a well rounded group. SNSD's concept is Korea's top girl group, and they have well succeeded in living up to this name. Topping charts, holding concert tours, MCing, advertising, acting, not a field of entertainment is left for them to conquer. What about Hyoyeon then? No one will deny her dancing skills, but has she ever been given a proper dance break since "Into the new world"? Granted, the group's image has evolved since then, with ups and down in the quality of the songs and choreographies, but amidst all the chanting in the boys, I think a Hyo dance break would have fit perfectly. She does get her spotlight every now and then in special dance stages, but these are too few to give her equal exposure with her group mates. SM just doesn't know what to do with her any more, and it shows in every new MV where her screen time is reduced further and further and she doesn't even get to dance in the center stage. Quite a bummer for the lead dancer. To me she is becoming the deadweight in SNSD -along with Sooyoung, whose usefulness I was never able to grasp- because while she does have talent, she just doesn't have any opportunity to bring anything to the group in and outside of their performances. 

    Of course companies will play favourites: they are no charities, and will propel any idol who can rack in the cash. Unfortunately for them, trainees do not choose in which group they will debut or which role they will be given. In the end, deadweights are not about which members are the weakest, because they were all chosen for a reason – charisma, vocals, dancing, physical features – but about which members companies promote in the wrong way or simply  forget to promote.

  • http://twitter.com/SouthPawSeoul 이정남

    I’m not a big fan of 2NE1 but I also find it stupid for people to say Dara could be taken out without any consequence she is a part of 2NE1 like it or not  She may not serve a large purpose or even one that another member couldn’t do but she is still a part of the group like it or not.  Contrary to popular belief 4 CL’s would be incredibly annoying. 

  • foofoox33

    I really don’t understand how hyunseung is even considered dead weight. just because he’s the least popular doesn’t mean he’s “less impressive,” he’s actually really well rounded, he has a great voice and is one of the best dancers in the group. and anyway i think he’s a good performer..

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      Good point. Sometimes the least popular members hold the group together in performances. I honestly think SJ would be screwed without KRY, although Kyuhyun is popular. In Wonder Girls, I think Yeeun used to be the least popular before the member swap, but she has a really good voice and more presence than most of them…. :/

  • destined2bebossy

    A deadweight imo is someone who brings abosolutely nothing to the table when it comes to the group. They aren’t the main singer/dancer/rapper, don’t have the best charisma, don’t rack in the fans, don’t really put a face to the group, don’t have most cfs etc..

    Examples:
    Sulli (f(x))
    Jihyun (4minute)
    Dasom (Sistar)
    Chansung (2pm)
    Lim (WG)

    • http://twitter.com/_GenesisAimee

      Why Sulli and Lim? Sulli is now visual and getting lot of solo projects and Lim is one of the rappers :|

  • hapacalgirl

    to me a deadweight is someone that serves no use to the group. A perfect example (and i am surprised she isnt mentioned here) is hyoyeon of SNSD. She barely ever gets to sing, she doesn’t rap, and while we know she is an amazing dancer, she is never allowed to really show it. On top of that she is the least pipular member. i like hyoyeon but if you were to remove her from snsd nothing would really change.

    • zweiosterei

       Hyoyeon, a deadweight? Don’t be obtuse.

      • ThatsVeryFunny

        Technically she is though. I really like Hyoyeon but I’ve never thought that her being in SNSD was really a good thing for her and she is kind of unnecessary to the group. No hate btw. She is an amazing dancer but SNSD’s style and their brand does not fit her or allow her to really display her true potential. I actually find that SNSD’s image kinda suppresses her abilities, and that’s why we see her ‘exaggerating’ her movements, when in reality they’re too dainty and delicate for her style. 

        Also, she doesn’t really give anything for the group. Her singing isn’t that great and she’s not that popular as the hapacalgirl said. I always wonder where she would be if she was in a group like Miss A where they are more dance and performance oriented. I really want her to be giving dancing everything she’s got and not holding back to make her other members look better. I think that she, as an incredibly talented dancer, deserves more.

        • Chocho268

          I agree completely and tbh, I have no idea why on earth did SM pick her to be in SNSD because she does not fit the group image and personality at all. She comes across as pretty fierce and very very talkative, the complete opposite to all other members. I think Hyoyeon would do much better in a girl group with a strong and fierce image, where her personality and dance moves would not be totally outstanding.

          And not to mention that her talents are completely wasted in SNSD.

    • sherbet_lemon

      I agree about Hyoyeon, really sad but true. She has the title of “dancing queen” in SNSD but she hasn’t been able to showcase it fully. At first, she sortof give SNSD the credibility in dancing, but it’s not so much the case now. And she’s not a very good singer too. Imo, her sorta husky voice doesn’t really fit in most SNSD songs which are high-pitched, that’s why she only have a line or 2. At least with Yoona, she’s the face and brings the fans and exposure for the group. And if Hyoyeon would be out, majority of Sones may throw a fit just because the sacred “power of 9″ is destroyed, and not really because she’s a great loss.

      But hopefully, this would change. She has more exposure now outside SNSD esp with Dancing with the stars. Let’s see….

  • zweiosterei

    If you really like a group you end up warming up to the so called ‘deadweights’. I find it funny cause when I read the title of the entry I immediately thought of Dasom, and lo and behold what is the first picture in the entry? Anyway, I really like Sistar so I ended up appreciating the work Dasom puts in there. Same with Hwayong whom at first sight I absolutely dismissed as a non entity and waste of space but eventually, little by little, I learned to value the work she puts in. I mean if they work as hard as everyone else they deserve respect at the least and maybe, just maybe, a little bit of love.

    Oh, and mentioning Hyuna as deadweight is preposterous. She could be many other things but deadweight she isn’t.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LL4QDJLVFDT2RDIZYBALSE75JE angel29

    First of all, I think Hyuna being considered a dead weight is too funny.  Why?  Because I really know nothing about 4Minute except for everything Hyuna.  She’s all of 4Minute to me so to remove the dead weight in this case is to remove the group in it’s entirety.

    Moving on to my beloved 2NE1, I certainly do not agree that Dara is a dead weight.  If you watch Nolza, you will see Dara just as part of the group as the rest of the members, and no, she is not limited to looking pretty.  She sings WITH THEM, (NOT BEHIND the voices of Bom, Minzy, and CL, or in a chorus which is how other groups mask non-talented “singers”) with her own lines which she performs LIVE (and has done so since debut).  And just saying, her parts may be few but they are not at all negligible. 

    In addition, she brings in a fairly large amount of supporters and endorsements and was even assigned as the group’s PR girl.  Musically,  she is the weakest but only in comparison, because YG makes sure that she does not hold the group down by training her hard and giving her parts which allow her and the rest of the members to shine. 

    I think 2NE1 is a fairly balanced group with each member contributing something to the success of the unit.  You remove one and the dynamics of the team would completely change.

  • severely

    A deadweight is someone that the group would experience no noticeable effect if the member was cut. Quite frankly, I think Kangin is a perfect example. It’s nice that he’s back from military, but Super Junior has done just fine without him. (Even better, actually, but that has more to do with other factors than his absence.) The songs made and sung without him were just fine without him, and his absence wasn’t noticeable.

    And from a purely musical standpoint, I think a deadweight is someone who drags the other members down. Like the article mentioned, having to make choreography easier to suit someone who isn’t a strong dancer or having to find some way to squish in lines for someone who isn’t the best singer. In that sense, most of the famous idol deadweights aren’t bad persay (like Hyuna and Dara), they just aren’t better than the average Joe. And it’s annoying when you’re attempting to just enjoy the song to have to watch mediocre choreography because of X member’s inability to keep up or to see the camera moved off the best singers, because I guess they technically have to give Y member a few lines. TTS and KRY are perfect examples. When they no longer had to share lines with the rest of the members, you could see what gems they really are. Obviously members like Leeteuk and Yoona bring attention to their groups, but are they really necessary to make good songs? Obviously not.

    I think the worst form of deadweight is someone who both lacks in the talent department and who attracts tons of negative attention to the group. At least in cases where there are scandals, like with Dasesung or GDragon, even antis can’t deny how amazingly talented they are. But to both garner a lot of hate and have no real talent to shut haters up? I see nothing wrong with the kpop fans who are skeptical or even outright critical of those idols.

    As the article put it, it may be “mean spirited” and “raining on their parade” but quite frankly, there are enough people wearing rose-colored glasses in the kpop fandom that when people are actually able to be frank about what legitimate contributions a member offers, it’s actually a bit refreshing.

  • http://www.michelle-chin.com/ Michelle Chin

    In my opinion, the demanding and competitive K-pop industry means that you have to be the fittest to survive. Kinda Darwinian since K-pop seems to constantly evolve faster than you say “K-pop”. Clearly, an exaggeration but I don’t think most people would oppose this sentiment. For instance, this year, I feel that K-pop has seen some pretty strange concepts popping up here and there (i.e. superpowers and EXO, monsters and Big Bang), experimentation of newer forms of music (i.e. music that sound so unorthodox that we are not sure whether it is noise or music…) and of course, weird fashion (i.e. Taeyang’s Curry Puff hair, G-Dragon’s seaweed hair). From these instances, it  seems that idols have to have the X-factor to truly be remembered and stay on top. This also applies to members in an idol group. Being plain or less competent means that it is easy for you to be kicked out from this competitive industry by both company and fans. Don’t be surprised. Us fans are quite harsh when it comes to judging our idols. It is not peculiar to hear us (me included), wondering why XYZ’s broke his or her voice while performing live, ABC’s fashion sense is down the drain or somewhere along the lines. 

    Having said that, if an idol is able to assess his or her own strengths, and play with it, or are willing to adapt to circumstances by upgrading his or herself, I don’t think they will fall out. 

    While the fittest survive, the fact that you are a human means that you can always improve your fitness to stay on top of the game. 

  • sherbet_lemon

    I’m not very familiar with a lot of KPop groups since I just stick to my biases, but I agree with what the others are saying about deadweight. They’re not so much as the least musically talented members in the group because idols still SELLS music. The fact that they’re a group means there has to be balance in roles and talents. Whether their goal is to sell themselves as a brand or as musical geniuses, the same principle still applies. You can’t have all members in a group having powerful voices because their songs will either become too overwhelming or not enough to showcase their talent, and in the long run they’ll become boring. And if people will only strictly allow those who are both good singers and dancers to become idols, then we’ll only have either less than 10 groups or just one big group. Fans would not be too happy with it. We might as well just have solo artists.

    For me, deadweights are the least popular without so much talent because they neither contribute significantly in their groups music and in selling them. Their groups will still go on without them. Like half of T-ara and AS. And so is Hyoyeon, Sooyoung is going that route too. Basically, bigger groups are in more danger in having deadweights because roles would be spread thinner on more members and it’s inevitable that some would shine brighter than the others.

    And just to add in the sentiments of majority, Hyuna is definitely not a dead weight because 4minute is basically Hyuna and friends. Dara, definitely not. Her singing abilities are only questioned because people compare her with the rest of 2ne1. But she always sing live. I’ve heard her crack only once and it was during their debut year (In The Club) but people can’t move on from that. In Ugly, Dara sings the bridge 100% live, most (if not always) of the time without backtrack, and she NEVER cracked nor lipsynched. But if the deadweight girls (as in musically challenged, as you define, like Hyuna, Yoona, Sohee, Dara) are to form a group, Dara would be the main vocalist.

  • samlun100

    For me, deadweights musically are
    Sulli
    Minho
    Ji Hyun & So Hyun
    Qri & Hwayoung
    Hyoyeon
    Chansung
    Dasom
    Sohee
    Naeun
    Hara

  • samlun100

    Miss A is definitely a very well balanced group. All members Suzy, Min, Jia, Fei, can sing and dance.

  • xNoirX

    I think Dasom is the “trim” of the group.  Not every group needs a trim, but ones with members with “strong” image need it.  HyoRin is a singing sensation and very good dancer too.  Her face is not text book Korean beauty but she overflows with charisma.  Many male audience may like her but many female ones may not.  HyoRin is just too different from average Korean girls.  Bora is the visual of the group with relatively dark skin.  That’s where Dasom come in:  she may not be the prettiest but definitely not ugly either.  Most Koreans see her as somewhat better looking than average -> means she’s approachable.

    Soyu is a very good singer, but that’s about it.  Some Korean call her face 밉상, so she’s not suitable as a trim.  Trims cannot have too many negatives against her.

    BTW 밉생, means “unfavorable face”(direct translation) and pronounced like MipSaeng.  It does not mean out right ugliness, but more like qualities that raises mild contempt.  You don’t see these sort of face often in idoldom, but JooYeon of After School is considered another 밉생.  You see these people playing minor villain roles in drama.  (In an episode of IY2, YeaWon called herself mipsaeng, but I don’t see it.)

    Uee is another trim, to take edges off Nana Kahi(farewell).

  • Chyrita Bonita

    I only consider the larger groups to have dead weight in them. that means the groups that have more than 5 members. Dara may not be the most talented person in 2ne1 but the group only has 4 people so its ok. the people I consider to be dead weight musically and performance wise are Nickhun , Chansung , Lizzy Jooyeon, Sooyoung , Yoona , Hara, most of t ara, Yuri. There’s more but you get the point.

  • goldengluvsk2

     the dead weights in groups are not usually even  the ones without fan support… there are members incredibly talented but sadly theyre not popular and strangely enough they are lots of so called dead weights that are the most popular in their respective groups… see Hyuna if you ask me musically she’s indeed dead weight but shes insanely popular… :S Goo hara too… i sincerely dont understand why shes the most popular but there they are… most popular…
    call me biased if you want but i dont consider Dara deadweight! she’s a decent singer, shes like their CF card with her bright personality, she keeps the fans informed and can act too.. im still waiting for YG to let her do a drama or something!! as YG papa said himself she’s the toughest of them all…

  • Angela Wang

    Yeah I agree with a few of the posts about Hyunseung. I would not even consider putting him in the deadweight category. Underrated and not as popular (God knows why. he’s actually really charming & unique) but deadweight? Don’t think so. 

    • nipplesvontwist

      Amen! The great sea of misunderstanding surrounding Hyunseung has been what I consider the gReAtEsT injustice ever inflicted in kpop! The very greatest!!!!! The boy is talented and sassy and down-to-earth and filled with dry and not-so-dry humor. He is my princess peach!

  • vip

    I read this article thinking about seungri from Big Bang, lol
    people always say he’s useless or the weak one, because the others members of BB are much better than him.
    poor seungri

    • Angela Wang

      Ahhh that’s sad. :(
      I really don’t think so besides being the mood setter and being funny on variety shows, I actually prefer his voice over Taeyang’s anyday. It has a really nice timbre and when he sings without autotune, it’s just amazing. 

      • vip

        I know, but many kpop fan or BBfan just love to hate seungri.

  • MamaWack

    I was bit surprised you put Hyunseung as a dead weight/least interested member in BEAST, I always got the impression Dongwoon was the least popular or that Doojoon was always question about his vocal talent and this coming from someone who has been with BEAST since the beginning. Hyunseung is the most multifaceted member along with Kikwang good vocals, good dancer and good looks.
    In terms of the ‘dead weights’ I seriously believe that they shouldn’t be in the group if they do not contribute anything to the group cause at the end of day if can’t gather some attention to yourself or your group then you are useless. I’m sorry but that’s my opinion. Dara was always someone I was adamant abut her involvement in 2ne1. Dara just appeared useless to me every time, yes sure she advertises her group, yes she updates fans and yes she gets the most cfs but still Dara is just … ugh to me. I have finally learn to accept her and what she contributes to the group

  • Rick Kelly

    Does anyone who has seen the Sistar “Loving U” video still think that Dasom is dead weight?

    The first Kpop video I saw was Sistar’s “Alone” (thanks YouTube), and I was amazed at how good the performances were from all members. The on-line reviews generally mentioned how there wasn’t a weak member in the group. Would I like to see less of the Hyorin to see more Dasom? No, I like the balance I’ve seen.

    Just for fun, I tried to think of an SNSD member who could fill Dasom’s place in Sistar. The only member who I’ve seen demonstrate strength in both singing and dance is Seohyun. I tried to picture Seohyun performing in a Sistar video. Ha!

    Dasom is an asset to Sistar. If she is inspired to work on her craft, so much the better.
    (Besides, they need a good athlete to compete in the 4x100m relay!)

  • http://twitter.com/4M_kellyxo 포미닛 짱 ♥

    Lol Hyuna is not dead weight. 

  • nylynn

    Hyuna I agree (she can’t sing to save her life) but Hyunseung deadweight and least interesting? I don’t think so babe. He dances a hell lot better and is more versatile than Gikwang . He just doesn’t get to showcase his talent as much when he’s with Beast. 

    • http://twitter.com/_GenesisAimee

      “He dances and sings a hell lot better and is more versatile than Gikwang”. He dances well, but credit for best dancer goes to Gikwang, and he sings well but not as impressive as Yoseob. That’s why he is the least interesting and “deadweight”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QOQ2BCCHDIRGF4VGHEJN5RON54 Kana

    As said by a lot of people, I think dead weights are people that just don’t excel in anything or advertise the group. I seriously don’t think Dara is dead weight even though I am not a blackjack. She wouldn’t be able to survive on her own, but she advertises the group pretty well. I don’t think Sohee is dead weight though. She has improved vocally, which is more than I can say for KARA’s Hara. Sohee is the face of the Wonder Girls, and the one that MOST people notice first. Back when they first debuted, Sohee was the member that grabbed the attention and gained fans. She is also the main dancer in the group as well as a vocalist and sub rapper. She can also act, model, and MC. JYPE just needs to give her something to help her shine more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/auddikim Audrey Angeline Walter

    I don’t think anyone is a dead weight in K-Pop. They all serve a great purpose. Dara is a great visual. Minho has killer raps. I don’t agree with this entry :P

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jui-Jeong/100001049262886 Jui Jeong

      Minho and killer raps shouldn’t even be in the same sentence. 

  • avebak

    I like all the groups the way they are. If SHINee didn’t have Minho or 2NE1 didn’t have Dara then it wouldn’t be the same. I might not think Dasom is useful when she is overshadowed by 2 awesome singers and a rapper, but I think she adds something to the group such as the cuteness, liveliness, etc.

    I don’t think any groups have ‘dead weights’, just people who the company don’t take full advantage of.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lina.kang.7 Lina Kang

    Hyunseung?! Dead weight? Seriously?! You gotta be deaf or never listened to their songs. If it weren’t for him Beast would be Yoseob + auto tune and mediocre dancers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/em.sea.37 Em Sea

       i agree. hyunseung might not be outspoken like the other members, but when it comes to vocal talent, he and yoseob are the strongest.

  • Erisadesu

    Ok dara can’t sing but seriously can you imagine 2ne1 without her? She is the voice of the group. As for Hyuna let me say ythat i can’t tell the group. Apart when she is not with them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GGGZGX6AXSGKITYGARWT467E7A andreas

    Minho is overshadowed vocally by the 4 others because seriously SHINee members are really great vocalist, but then again. Idol groups of Kpop aren’t choir group who only have to sing. There are many kind of ways to build their fame. Variety, Drama, Ads, etc. So personally i think, the term deadweight is very not suited in Kpop industry. 

  • http://twitter.com/geomart218 Geo Mart

      I do believe T-ara’s Hwayoung add to the group depth, while her replacement Ahreum is dead 
    weight. I do think because of Hwayoung growing polarity, the other girls mistreat her in some way (outcast). Do miss her w/Tara, CEO/CCM made a terrible mistake on letting her go. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/W2P7EB45RPJAKAF37HJXZYAXRI Yang

    I think SeungHo from MBLAQ is overshadowed massively and yes I think he better off of MBLAQ, and I am a hard core A+.

    • http://www.facebook.com/em.sea.37 Em Sea

       i think he’s only overshadowed because of his appearance. compared to the other members, they are just more handsome than him, but seungho is very talented. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6GNQFUQLY7QETKIGFHPIDLQ4PA Guardian Angel

    i think sungyeol from infinite would count as a dead weight (rarely sings/one-liner), but he dances well, and is really funny on variety shows compared to his other members IMO

  • Rena Ann

    Since my K-Pop bias is SNSD, I’m not very familiar with the other K-Pop groups, so I’ll just comment on SNSD to avoid confusion.

    Since SNSD is a considerably large group with 9 members, there has been some speculation on whether some members are “dead-weight” or not. I’ve read threads on which fans narrowed SNSD down to five members, and found that, perhaps, it could work this way too — especially with the emergence of TaeTiSeo, an SNSD vocal sub-unit.

    Now to the individual breakdown of the members —

    Taeyeon is the leader, and has the most powerful vocals in the group. For the general public, she is considered quite attractive and is one of the more popular members. Hence, she is most definitely not dead weight.

    Jessica has good vocals, and is a relatively good dancer as well. While she adds a lot of popularity to the group, she also brings haters, or anti-fans, so in this way, her popularity might be questionable. However, with the aforementioned points, I doubt she is considered dead weight.

    Tiffany, as with Jessica, brings fans as well as haters. As part of TaeTiSeo, she has good vocals and a unique voice, usually the “rapper” of the group, although I don’t think SNSD has an official rapper. Her popularity is on the rise and, even though subunits like TaeTiSeo are meant to bring out the talent of each member, I think she’s received quite a bit of recognition in SNSD as well. 

    Seohyun, the maknae, one of the “singers” of SNSD. Although she’s not the face of the group, I believe she contributes to building the image of the group as well. Perhaps she hasn’t cemented her place in the K-Pop spotlight yet, but I think her time will come, as with TaeTiSeo.

    Sunny contributes to the image of SNSD as cute, lively, and young. Despite this, I think her dance is mediocre, and while her voice is considerably good, it’s not very consistent. She also has a low fanbase. 

    Yoona is the main face of the group, often considered the prettiest in SNSD or the most popular member. Let’s be frank, she can’t sing. She isn’t the best dancer in SNSD, either, but I suppose her dance is alright. In terms of popularity, I get the feeling that fans know her better and come to like her because she is more exposed than the other members. Forgive me for saying this, but I think that the only thing Yoona can truly contribute to SNSD is her image.

    Yuri is sometimes considered the second face of the group (?), and besides, people like the idea of YoonYul. A good dancer, though not a good singer. Yuri and Jessica are the two members whom I believe can represent all forms of supposed beauty — cute, beautiful, and sexy. Considerable fanbase, not exactly dead weight but not exactly essential to SNSD’s survival. 

    Hyoyeon is often considered the least pretty or least popular member. She’s definitely talented, but she doesn’t get the chance to shine in SNSD, usually being overshadowed by other members. I think she could go solo and she’d be a wonderful dancer, and besides, her dance style doesn’t really fit SNSD’s. 

    Sooyoung is tall and has very long legs, and is funny on variety shows. But really, although she’s a relatively good dancer, she can’t really sing and isn’t the most popular. Like Hyoyeon, she’s talented, but doesn’t receive much recognition in SNSD. Hence, if she went solo, she might be better off. 

    Please don’t bash, I don’t mean offence to anyone!

  • Rena Ann

    Since my K-Pop bias is SNSD, I’m not very familiar with the other K-Pop groups, so I’ll just comment on SNSD to avoid confusion.

    Since SNSD is a considerably large group with 9 members, there has been some speculation on whether some members are “dead-weight” or not. I’ve read threads on which fans narrowed SNSD down to five members, and found that, perhaps, it could work this way too — especially with the emergence of TaeTiSeo, an SNSD vocal sub-unit.

    Now to the individual breakdown of the members —

    Taeyeon is the leader, and has the most powerful vocals in the group. For the general public, she is considered quite attractive and is one of the more popular members. Hence, she is most definitely not dead weight.

    Jessica has good vocals, and is a relatively good dancer as well. While she adds a lot of popularity to the group, she also brings haters, or anti-fans, so in this way, her popularity might be questionable. However, with the aforementioned points, I doubt she is considered dead weight.

    Tiffany, as with Jessica, brings fans as well as haters. As part of TaeTiSeo, she has good vocals and a unique voice, usually the “rapper” of the group, although I don’t think SNSD has an official rapper. Her popularity is on the rise and, even though subunits like TaeTiSeo are meant to bring out the talent of each member, I think she’s received quite a bit of recognition in SNSD as well. 

    Seohyun, the maknae, one of the “singers” of SNSD. Although she’s not the face of the group, I believe she contributes to building the image of the group as well. Perhaps she hasn’t cemented her place in the K-Pop spotlight yet, but I think her time will come, as with TaeTiSeo.

    Sunny contributes to the image of SNSD as cute, lively, and young. Despite this, I think her dance is mediocre, and while her voice is considerably good, it’s not very consistent. She also has a low fanbase. 

    Yoona is the main face of the group, often considered the prettiest in SNSD or the most popular member. Let’s be frank, she can’t sing. She isn’t the best dancer in SNSD, either, but I suppose her dance is alright. In terms of popularity, I get the feeling that fans know her better and come to like her because she is more exposed than the other members. Forgive me for saying this, but I think that the only thing Yoona can truly contribute to SNSD is her image.

    Yuri is sometimes considered the second face of the group (?), and besides, people like the idea of YoonYul. A good dancer, though not a good singer. Yuri and Jessica are the two members whom I believe can represent all forms of supposed beauty — cute, beautiful, and sexy. Considerable fanbase, not exactly dead weight but not exactly essential to SNSD’s survival. 

    Hyoyeon is often considered the least pretty or least popular member. She’s definitely talented, but she doesn’t get the chance to shine in SNSD, usually being overshadowed by other members. I think she could go solo and she’d be a wonderful dancer, and besides, her dance style doesn’t really fit SNSD’s. 

    Sooyoung is tall and has very long legs, and is funny on variety shows. But really, although she’s a relatively good dancer, she can’t really sing and isn’t the most popular. Like Hyoyeon, she’s talented, but doesn’t receive much recognition in SNSD. Hence, if she went solo, she might be better off. 

    Please don’t bash, I don’t mean offence to anyone!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=812977645 Haden Hansen

    Qri and Boram in T-ara. They never get lines and Boram is a rather…. unattractive midgit. Least Qri is hot.