• Wo0t137

    “Traditional gender traits of beastly male groups” …? The only somewhat beastly idol group that was marketed at this time was Shinhwa. 2PM had yet to debut and start the requirement of having male idol members have abs” SHINee if anything rehashed the old concept of cutie boy idols just much younger than usual what with take in being ridiculously young then.

  • happy_slip

    4minute debuted before Beast. ^__^ I won’t describe 2009 4minute as “ultra-feminine”, I mean when I think of ultra-feminine I think of Apink. 4minute had that sassy, crazy and fun thing going on when they started out. I didn’t follow Beast’s debut, but I remember them and 4minute’s vibes going along the same vein — energetic and upbeat, and not total opposites or complimentary like WGs and 2PM.

    I feel that sibling group concepts are mainly for easy description and early PR purposes for groups who are yet to debut — because it’s an easy yet an effective way to hype groups. At the end of the day though, getting the right combination of promotion, timing, material, group dynamic etc will still play a big role. You can’t just say that 2NE1 was successful only because of the Big Bang tag, or that The Grace didn’t get as much coverage just because they were once called the female TVXQ — other factors contributed to their outcomes. Sibling tags can only do so much.

  • KrisMyStar

    The only problem with opposite gender complementary groups is that yaoi/yuri OTPs will be forever at war with hetero OTPs…

  • KrisMyStar

    The only problem with opposite gender complementary groups is that yaoi/yuri OTPs will be forever at war with hetero OTPs…

  • KrisMyStar

    The only problem with opposite gender complementary groups is that yaoi/yuri OTPs will be forever at war with hetero OTPs…

  • KrisMyStar

    The only problem with opposite gender complementary groups is that yaoi/yuri OTPs will be forever at war with hetero OTPs…

  • KrisMyStar

    The only problem with opposite gender complementary groups is that yaoi/yuri OTPs will be forever at war with hetero OTPs…

  • http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

     I actually remember seeing once a picture of an advertisement for auditions with NHMedia (U-Kiss company) looking for female singers, probably for a girl group. But then I never heard anything about it again. Honestly, I’m not sure they can afford to produce another idol group. But then again with U-Kiss spending most of their time in Japan, maybe Avex will start footing a lot of U-Kiss’s upkeep, freeing up time and money for Nh to focus on another group.

    wait… the wonder girls are disbanding? Why, aren’t they still super popular?

    • hapacalgirl

      Nobody knows if the Wonder Girls are going to disband yet as JYP so far has dispelled those rumors.  But many people believe that with WG leader and main vocalist Sunye getting married in January that the end of the Wonder Girls is inevitable.  JYP is currently stating that Sunye is will take time off to deal with the wedding and the beginning of married life but will remain a part of the wonder girls.  But as we all know it will be hard to maintain idol life and have a family so its only a matter of time before Sunye leaves completely to focus on her family especially if she makes the choice to relocate to Canada to live with her husband and his family.

    • hapacalgirl

      Nobody knows if the Wonder Girls are going to disband yet as JYP so far has dispelled those rumors.  But many people believe that with WG leader and main vocalist Sunye getting married in January that the end of the Wonder Girls is inevitable.  JYP is currently stating that Sunye is will take time off to deal with the wedding and the beginning of married life but will remain a part of the wonder girls.  But as we all know it will be hard to maintain idol life and have a family so its only a matter of time before Sunye leaves completely to focus on her family especially if she makes the choice to relocate to Canada to live with her husband and his family.

    • Haibara Christie

      I don’t think WG is going to disband, but I do expect a hiatus from Sunye–it’s expected that a new bride would want time to start a new life with her husband.  I wouldn’t be surprised if they have Sunmi comeback for a while at least to fill the gap. Sunye won’t be entirely leaving WG, but I wouldn’t be shocked if WG continues to promote without her.

  • secretkeeperzee

    Personally, I find JYP’s technique at creating groups to be the most interesting. I like the method he used where Wonder Girls were/are incredibly feminine which is complimented by 2PM and their beastliness. I find this draws a better company image to me, without having the company actually push anything down my throat.
    I come from a large family, with many many different characters and personalities, but I must say that those who surprisingly get along well in the family are two of my older siblings, a frilly/elegant sister and typical-sports-guy brother. I also really enjoy the fact that 2PM had barely used Wonder Girl’s name and success to give them an upper hand when they were rookies and mind you, 2PM debuted when the hype of Nobody was still around. JYP didn’t forcibly create a ‘family’ image until recently, getting in trend with other companies.

    I believe, had JYP not send Wonder Girl’s off to the states so soon after the success of Nobody, and had he kept Jay Park in 2PM, the company would have been a lot more successful (not to say it isn’t right now.) I honestly believe that WG’s could have easily taken the spot of #1 Girl Group in Korea, and 2PM could have been where Big Bang are right now and not be second to them in most things had they continued on with their Leadja and acrobatics. 

    In my own taste, I like contrast. Stark contrast. This is something not many companies have, which is why I don’t stan any companies (but I probably am more inclined to watch out for any news for someone debuting under JYP – if their music comes out and I don’t like it, I simply wont follow them, though) Some of my favorite acts range from Block B to Apink. I find contrast interesting, mainly because when these groups aren’t in ‘idol mode’ their actually rather similar with their dorkiness and humour (although the boys may tend to be a little more vulgar with their jokes.) Again, this is something I really like in the relationship between WG’s and 2PM. I love their stark differences of WG’s womanly feminism on stage when compared to 2PM’s beastly masculinity then compare this to the way they act normally (silly, goofy etc.) and *sigh* I love it, I think its more natural.

    Also, to the author of this article, I wouldn’t say Beast (who are one of my favortie groups) had a hyper-masculine debut XD They had a different debut, though. With that I agree. And also, all these were my own personal opinions so I hope no one got offended or the likes :)

  • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

    So many words were crossed out…why? It felt more like snide comments than jokes. And some of your descriptions of concepts and images and linking them to their complements were just confusing. Personally, I fail to see how 4minute was marketed as ultra-feminine, especially at their debut. And BEAST’s was masculine? I mean…it wasn’t feminine or anything, but they weren’t trying to be extremely macho or anything. :/

    Maybe I’m just offended because you said WG would be disbanding soon. :P

    • AcadiasFire

      I was wondering about the Wonder Girls disbanding too. I was like “Hold on. What?”

    • k_db

      Completely agree.

      I don’t see how NU EST and AS relate, same with Boyfriend and Sistar.  At least their connections aren’t as obvious as the SM counter parts, or even the DSP counterparts, though I would argue that A-JAX is the Rainbow Counter Part, if only for the number of members.

      4minute is pretty tomboy-ish as far as their sexy concepts go.
      and BEAST at debut was pretty neutral.  Neither masculine nor cute-ish.

      Personally speaking,  Unless your first group does extremely well in the beginning I see no reason to debut a counterpart.  What if you fail twice?

  • severely

    I think Boyfriend and NU’EST work as sibling pairs. After School and Sistar both do sexy concepts quite a bit, so cute is a different, but complementary, direction to go in. They don’t need to be ultra masculine to work.

  • Haibara Christie

    I fail to see why CSJH were questionably a sibling pair to TVXQ. CSJH’s circumstances are rather abnormal, so their “lack or success” as compared to their counterpart is not surprising. This however, shouldn’t change the nature of their relationship—they are really quite similarly structured groups.  I also don’t think that TS Ent. was being desperate with B.A.P.  They could not afford to have their group escape the public eye and remain relevant in the way the Big Three’s groups can.  TS is doing what they needed to do (whether or not it was excessive is up to debate) but it IS paying off for them.  B.A.P is one of the largest rookie groups of the year, if not the largest. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

      THIS! Honestly, out of all sibling pairs, DBSK-CSJH was the most perfectly matched in all aspects. Both groups had the vocals (OMG THE BEAUTIFUL ACAPELLAS), the looks, and the overall dancing talent.

      It’s just such a shame that CSJH just debuted at a time where girl groups weren’t really the thing, and that their brother group was the top group with rabid fangirls.

  • http://allthatdramanews.blogspot.com/ Eye Candy

    I don’t know we’re I’ve been, but I’ve never heard of the idea of brother and sister groups. When I clicked on the link, I thought it was going to be about actual siblings who are in Kpop (like Dara and Thunder) not company made brother and sisters groups.  I knew that 2ne1 and Big Bang were similar in theme, but I thought of that as more as compliment to each other. So I guess my point is that I thought this was a great article topic since like you said it’s not often discussed. 

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      Lol, I thought of Dara and Thunder too. XD

  • http://twitter.com/gracein911 Grace Kim

    4Minute actually debuted in the summer of 2009; B2ST debuted in September of that year.