• http://profile.yahoo.com/DMDPOWEVDGS5PSD5YOFVCCXEGQ James

    While I agree with some that it is racist to make judgements upon a group based on color, skin, laguange, sex, etc., but in this case where rage and complex emotions can clouds ones speech, I can not hold PK accountable for his remarks. Racism hurts on the receivers’ end coming from whomever. However growing up Asian American, I find it extremely difficult to tolerate racism when it comes from people of Anglo-decent. Its tough enough to hear it through the US media that is run, managed and owned by mostly ‘whites’, and even more difficult to hear it in person when it is directed towards me.

    PK, you did what I wanted to do for a very long time and that is scream and yell, letting out  feelings and frustrations at the media and people that has treated and portrayed the Asian man as their comedic prop. You had every right to say it in my book. Even though it was not politically correct, you were able to shed light on the emotions and feelings of myself and probably whole lot of other Asian men. Thank you for standing up.

    -James

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DMDPOWEVDGS5PSD5YOFVCCXEGQ James

    While I agree with some that it is racist to make judgements upon a group based on color, skin, laguange, sex, etc., but in this case where rage and complex emotions can clouds ones speech, I can not hold PK accountable for his remarks. Racism hurts on the receivers’ end coming from whomever. However growing up Asian American, I find it extremely difficult to tolerate racism when it comes from people of Anglo-decent. Its tough enough to hear it through the US media that is run, managed and owned by mostly ‘whites’, and even more difficult to hear it in person when it is directed towards me.

    PK, you did what I wanted to do for a very long time and that is scream and yell, letting out  feelings and frustrations at the media and people that has treated and portrayed the Asian man as their comedic prop. You had every right to say it in my book. Even though it was not politically correct, you were able to shed light on the emotions and feelings of myself and probably whole lot of other Asian men. Thank you for standing up.

    -James

  • http://www.facebook.com/chibijoshie Josh Chinnery

    I think that Tiger JK wasn’t necessarily in the wrong for his comment, but he definitely wasn’t in the right for cussing out the entire Caucasian race. As for his apology, I think it was beautiful; the man sat back and thought about what he said and realized that the way he expressed his frustration at this event was not right. Was his frustration justified? YES!!!! Racism is a terrible terrible thing and I have only experienced verbal racism, but it still hits hard. To be thought of as less of a person just because I have dark hair, dark eyes, and dark skin is heartbreaking. I also disagree with your definition of racism. Regardless of your racial status, you can be racist; even to your own race!! I know some of y’all are looking at me like I’m crazy, but it’s happened to me. I’ve been several times that I don’t act black enough (read – my demeanor is not “hood” enough) or that I talk like a walk person (read – I don’t use a lot of hood slang) by other black people; it makes me nuts. My heart goes out for Tiger and his family; this racism business is not cool.

  • Deemy

    Great article! I agree 100%.

  • uarebabo

    This is an old topic, but i just came across this site. Sorry but it isn’t technically reverse racism. By your definition Tiger JK has more power than the “White Hecklers” in this scenario because the concert was in SOUTH KOREA. White people are a minority in South Korea, Tiger JK WAS BEING RACIST! :)

    • AlRussell

      Then they should have had some damn sense and been respectful of the man in his own house. His venue, his house. They got what they deserved and, while I too wish Tiger JK’d chosen different language, I fully respect his position.

  • New York City

    Word is Bond Tiger JK. I feel him deeply, I really do. Even Koreans from Korea that move later in life have racial problems with Korean Americans and how they live. We Korean Americans already have enough racial discrimination to deal with in America and we have to hear it from our own people from Korea also???? More people need to speak out like Tiger JK, or else we Koreans are gonna suffer another decade of being labeled as PSY to everyone. I know I hate to say this, but PSY success is not in the greater good of the longevity of Koreans globally.

  • http://twitter.com/sisiberlyn Sierra Bell

    I’d just like to tackle everything here in one go.

    First of all, Tiger JK, while he should not have handled it that way and definitely
    should have handled the situation with more grace (not only is it the
    right thing to do for anyone, but it also makes him look even better
    anyway), I can understand him snapping. I can only imagine how much
    garbage the man has been put through over his marriage, his son, and his
    own ethnicity. I have heard stories about people calling his son the
    N-word, as if it isn’t bad enough that someone would say that about an ADULT, what kind of perversion of character does it take to say that about a CHILD? And now on top of all that, we got PSY just feeding into the “goofy Asian” stereotype. Granted, PSY is a very funny guy, naturally. But he’s only seen as just a “funny guy” in South Korea or other parts of Asia. In America, he’s a “funny ASIAN.” That’s all people see. Now the repercussions of that include other Asian people being harassed to do goofy, ridiculous things bc “Hey, that Asian guy on TV did it, they must ALL like it, right??” Now Tiger JK, during HIS OWN SONG, gets told to stop and do Gangnam Style. I’m sorry, but that was RUDE. RUDE RUDE RUDE. The man is there performing his own material for you but all you want is Gangnam Style? Because being silly is all Asian people can do, right? No, they can’t write real, thought provoking music, right? Please.

    This rant was a long time coming, and yes, he could have been more mature, but likely he wasn’t in his right mind. I won’t try to rationalize the hateful things he said, because it was wrong, but I won’t take it personally because everyone has those times where we just can’t take anymore and we wind up saying things we don’t mean. I can only pray he will turn to Jesus and forgive those kids and that those boys will learn some respect for their fellow human beings.

  • vipa567

    “The definition of racism is prejudice plus power” So by going by this equation only white people can be racist? What a load of crap, JK was being racist. As for Psy – were you expecting people to respect him as an artist? he’s getting what he deserves nothing more nothing less.

  • Figgie

    EAST ASIANS: Most racist/homogenous people on earth. And no, they ARE NOT a true minority. they are often more elitist than some caucasians, often socioeconomically above ethnic whites. East Asians, I mean. Being an ethnic caucasian, with a very ethnic, long Italian last name and growing up in an elitist suburb of NYC, I can tell you that Whites (and I don’t mean ethnic whites, I mean wasps, wealthy jews) AND EAST Asians live in the same neighborhoods and are equally pretentious, elitist, racist. East Asians are not even close to being a minority. In fact, I’m treated as more of a minority then they are. Yes, they are often treated better than some people of european descent. Elitist, racist people are the whitey whites and east asians specifically. Blacks are the true minority and are used as scapegoats, often treated like dirt, yet most blacks are better and more humane than any white or asian person. So yeah, EAST Asians are NOT NOT NOT a MINORITY. If you are going to tell me this is not true, then you are in total DENIAL. You notice I said EAST? Yes, because India (and other similar south asian countries) are not as eilitist as eastern neighbors. Just like Europeans stole from others, remember Buddhism came from India. I’m going to write a book about this. I know the truth can hurt. This IS the TRUTH.

    • AlRussell

      Someday you’re going to choke on your bitter, bigoted spittle.

  • indielokimin

    Tiger JK had every right to be angry. Any other Korean or Asian on that stage would’ve reacted the same. It might not have been an appropriate reaction, but it was totally warranted. Those fuckers had it coming.

  • AlRussell

    Man, I love Tiger JK and I’m just sorry that he has ever had to endure such douchebags. As a white woman, I’m as appalled by this kind of racist BS as anyone could be. It taints the image of Caucasians everywhere when so many of us behave like insensitive asshats. Unfortunately, there are far, far too many ignorant tools in America. I have to encounter them every day in the rural area where I live. People around here always try to tell me that this or that neighbor is actually really nice, but I’ve heard what they say about others. Even if they are decent to ME because I look like them, I find it impossible to set aside the fact that their attitudes would do a 180 if my skin were a few shades darker. I wish that someday Americans would grow up and stop with all the self aggrandizing. We’re not all that.

  • Doge Wallace

    I had to deal with two racist white assholes at the K-Town Market in Los Angeles last night. They insulted several food vendors there, laughing the whole time. I guess if something isn’t steak and potatoes, it’s exotic and must be made fun of, including the people who sell those food items. Then to top it off, they made a sexist and misogynistic remark to a female business owner and then walked away, laughing.

  • ; ^ }

    As somebody that’s white, I can assure you that I won’t hate you for your skin colour, I’ll hate you for you.
    The problem with verbal racism is that people focus on the specific words, when they should be focusing on how they’re used. If somebody is being ‘racist’ towards you in a non-physical way, then they’re just being a dick. I think that there should be seperate definitions for the word ‘racist’. One definition is the true definition, but only to the point where it’s racism beyond words, and is taken to the level of segregation, exclusion, violence, etc., while the other definition should be listed as a synonym for ‘douche’.

    Who fucking cares what others think? I mean, sure, when my dad came to Canada from Italy back in the last 60’s (Parents were still sour from the invasion of Sicily, as many Canadians fought there), he grew up being called a wop, and he resorted to violence more often than he should have, but I think he shouldn’t have beaten them up for calling him a wop, but for them being dicks towards him.

    If everybody just starts hating people for who they are, the world would be a much better place.

    ^
    How does that sound?

  • Brian McNally

    I like the article and makes an important point. Also, I don’t expect people to be wrongly offended, then get angry like Mary Poppins or Sailor Moon.

    BUT – “Hey Honkey” online is nothing compared to what Eminem faced in school – getting bullied and beat up all the time by black kids. That experience is now quite common, which part of why Eminem strikes a chord. YES, power plus prejudice equals racism/power to discriminate, but white people don’t always control the board these days. For example, predominently black, asian, or latino neighborhoods in multiracial america run their own affairs as they like them, thank you very much. Also for example, KOREA. also for example JAPAN. If Asian Americans sound more under seige and defensive than Koreans, Chinese and Japanese, that is becasue they are not the predominant race/culture. Children feel which race and culture rules the board in a very real, personal way. It stays with you. Its why some men in the ghetto strut in a way African men do not. After that experience, I would have … been pissed for some very real reasons. Disrespect is Disrespect, period.

    If an innocent white man in Korea, Japan, or China is profiled as a foreigner, therefore automatically judged guilty of criminal activity, can we call this reverse racism or racism of Northeast Asia? This happened to me. Lefty Racial PC Semanitic types fo the USA can never understand this example, because they fail to understand why we are talking about other nations (ethnocentrism, USA USA USA). Our racial vocabulary was created by White Affluent University People, who are mostly Monocultural and Monolingual. This is almost completely useless to the Mondern, Internet, Multiracial and Multinational Age we face now. Brown kids may not be able to afford university, but their academic masters want to teach them how to talk about race. NO. SORRY. BOO. BATSU. NO GO.

    >>you wrote – “Korean media and and the English-language K-pop blogosphere.”

    This blogoshere is – most likely equal parts Korean national, Korean American, and white American/European readers, plus people from Japan, China etc. with an interest in Korea. The blogosphere is not just for english teachers anymore, folks, so let’s be careful about assumptions. In other words, the people that don’t like Tiger JK’s rant are not a bunch of white dudes. They are, in many respects, his community, with many sharing the same background. Jury of your Peers, right? Perhaps this is not defensive white dudes (or maybe it is) but maybe it is not. We don’t know. But, both Hecklers and Trolls on Twitter again shaped the discussion.

    Personally, I am sick to death over Twitter Wars over words by people that seriously never leave the house. People have no authentic engagement with an issue – they just spew spew spew and there is no follow through, resolution, or forward motion. At least Tiger JK had a reason, in the real world, to be pissed. And he took action.

    Here is what I do – I just make really great hybrid american/japanese style comics with a lead character that is both Japanese and authentically Bad Ass. And rather short. And he does not speak English so great, why bother? He is the traditional Greek Epic style hero – Great Skills, Great Talent, Great Flaw, warts and all. Nobody knows me because I don’t replicate the cliches of the genre. People need striucture, I suppose. Simple solutions to simple problems like race, and all I have is a love of creation and the human race. Oops. My bad!

    check it out if you like.

    https://martiancuisine.wordpress.com

  • scuttlepants

    This is an old article now, but because it was linked to a more recent article, I felt the need to comment. I’m generally impressed by the indepth, considered articles at Seoulbeats, especially those allowing me to see some of the issues faced by fans of other cultural backgrounds and races. Not this one.

    I wholeheartedly disagree on the unsubtle implication, nay, outright statement that discrimination is okay, and that TigerJK’s generalisations were fine, even a good thing. Discrimination is unacceptable. It is unacceptable in any form.

    Yes, draw attention to an issue, and yes, the issue was a valid and important one. It was clear those audience members were ignorant jerks, and yes, they were a problem. But there is no argument you can make that will convince me discrimination and generalised race-based insults (or any other generalised insults) are the way to go. I find this article and its weak justification (and the potential harm that can come of it- in both encouragement of future discrimination and potential backlash, and in the undermining of what should have been a valid argument) offensive.