• -.-

    The other reason they may not want to bow is because technically hara isn’t a singer (along with many other idols who debut too young ie no singing ability whatsoever). If i were older, more talented and debuted much later because of extra years of training, I’d be reluctant to bow to her too. She’s likable, that’s all, so maybe just being friends would be fine. Bowing? NO FCKING WAY 

    • jane arce

      its a korean tradition. even ordinary korean citizen get busted when they dont do it properly, the stars get more criticism since they are public figure

      • -.-

        yea, I understand that it’s their tradition. I’m chinese and was also raised in a similar culture (although we don’t bow and are less strict in some other aspects). I totally get the filial piety, respect towards elderly aspect, but respect towards younger people who don’t deserve it? That part i really don’t agree with although I  understand where it originates from. I just think that the kind of propriety that Asian culture demands is really unreasonable and I’ve had to deal with it my entire life lol

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCYUVYEBNXJ2JFYPKGHPJT4PLI Moonlight Menuett

      No, talent has NOTHING to do with this, AT ALL, it’s just like not putting your elbow on the table while eating or closing your mouth while chewing, I’m korean I’ve been raised in Europe all my life but my parents taught me it’s unacceptable and EXTREMELY rude to not bow to someone who’s older and/or your sunbae and they GREW UP with that system it’s nothing big to bow to someone, it’s like everyday and they shouldn’t have ANY problem with it just because some isn’t talented, she’s much more experienced then them.

  • http://twitter.com/Chouchou103 Michele

    I find it funny that SNSD is now considered a good example for showing good behaviour when before they were the ones who were on the chopping blocks for being rude.

    • jhg

      Does anyone have examples of their rudeness?

      • frack

        There are quite a few instances .but I don’t think snsd has had problems with bowing.

    • jane arce

      i atleasr now we know that they learned their lesson. 

  • Anonymous

    If it is etiquette then you must follow.. that’s about it.. there is no argument whatsoever.. 

  • agg

    I think it should be followed even though I’d find it silly to bow to someone younger than me. But if it is etiquette in Korea, then it should be done always.

    There’s this video of G-Dragon winning on a music show and he is literally bowing to everyone. To me it’s kind of hilarious, but I can also see he is respectful to his seniors/juniors.

  • http://other-worldly.org Justine

    If it’s part of culture and respect, then it must be done. It also reflects to what kind of manners your parents taught you. If these Korean kids’ parents knew they weren’t bowing to seniors or elders I’m sure they’d be pretty disappointed.

  • Anonymous

    I still think the T-ara thing was complete BS and it kind of annoys me that people just believed this guy.

    I’m not saying he’s a liar just because I don’t know who he is (I’m sure he’s a great singer), but I just think that was a full on publicity stunt.  He had way more to gain and really nothing to loose by tweeting that… It put his name in the news, antis jumped on the bandwagon against T-ara, and T-ara really had no choice but to take the lashing. 

    I love the respectful culture in Korea, but this Mose guy showed a great lack of respect and maturity with that tweet.  I have full faith that T-ara and majority of idols are very respectful.  This guy just took advantage of an already crappy situation to put himself in the spotlight.  I can’t respect that, but I will thank him for lighting a fire under T-ara fans.  Can’t wait for their comeback <3

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCYUVYEBNXJ2JFYPKGHPJT4PLI Moonlight Menuett

      just like you are doing, he did have something to loose, a bunch of T-ara fans probably told him to delete his twitter account. 

  • Kpopboi

    “when everyone knows your name and everyone is going crazy over you”

    lol T-ar-who ?

  • IZ M

    I mean the least they could do is just bow even though it’s not a 90 degree bow. 

  • jane arce

    tiffany was always the member in question, she grew up in US. 

  • http://twitter.com/ovenfreshhhhh ovenfreshhhhh ☆

    If Goo Hara and a junior idol (who happens to be older than her) were to meet outside of a music program recording as two people, it would be right for the older person to be more casual about it. However, because they were greeting each other as idols, the junior idol should have been more respectful and greeted their seniors properly.

    It’s Korean custom and also just plain common sense. If a Korean idol who was born and raised in Korea fails to show the proper respect, whatever excuses they make are bullshit. They grew up learning what propriety in Korea is and a simple excuse like, “Oh, I didn’t think we were being rude! Tee hee hee!” is unacceptable.

    What’s irritating to me is that T-ara fans are so quick to not believe that the members would ever be rude because they are so convinced that T-ara are all very polite young women. While that might be true, even the best behaved people can slip up sometimes. It just so happens that they slipped up while someone was watching and they got called out on it. There’s no need for T-ara fans to be upset. Maybe in the future, T-ara and whoever else is being lax with their in-sa are more aware of themselves.

  • Tigana

    I say bow down bitches.

    I think netizens should overreact over stuff like that. Learn some manners kids.

  • thunderandsmoke

    Etiquette should always be adhered. Here in the States, I feel as if people are just ruder in general. You can walk into an entire room and not one person will say hello to you. No one has common courtesy or manners anymore I think, especially young people. Being of African decent, we kneel to all our seniors, whether you know them or not, just our of respect. And I mean its not hard to do. Bowing is even easier, especially if you know its the rules and you don’t lose any skin off your back for doing so! Even if you don’t want to, I think its best to just cover your ass and throw a 90 degree bow whoever’s way and it never has to be an issue! You can even bow and turn around in a circle at the same time, and then you’ve pretty much covered everyone in the vicinity! One example I’ve seen is Onew: that kid walks into a place and bows to legitimately everyone. I respect that, and you can see that his seniors do as well and its not only because of his talent or his idol status that they like him so much.

    • Dylan

      ” Here in the States, I feel as if people are just ruder in general. You
      can walk into an entire room and not one person will say hello to you.”

      See, I hear Europeans say all the time how Americans are oftentimes much more polite/friendly than what they’re used to, like people will often greet each other when jogging/driving past each other which isn’t as common is some other countries; or cashiers and the like sunnily asking you how your day is going.  However, some of them quickly dismiss this behavior as being ‘fake’ instead of common courtesy.  So we Americans can’t win – people are quick to label us all as rude, but when we’re really polite/friendly we’re being fake.  We never do it right lol. I guess you live in a particularly unfriendly corner of the nation if that is seriously your daily experience.

      • Anonymous

        True true. I believe it’s because the States don’t have a set standard of what to do when it comes to strangers.Sure we have one for the work place but because there is really not a set standard some people just do what seems fit. You have the nice grandma who says hi to you whenever and the one who gives you the eagle eye. The states’ too big for one to just put a giant label of weather they’re rude or not. If you go to a bustling city sure people might not even spare you a glance, but a more rural place will get you a good morning. 

        For example i decided to take my bike out after 3 years and legit bikers where greeting me while i huffed and puffed up a hill. I think there’s a bikers greeting code or something O.o. 

        For the quote, most of the time the people themselves don’t even know they’re being rude XD, they probably consider themselves neutral – neither rude or polite

        (for the article be polite if that’s the set standard of etiquette, bend your knees to give your body a break from all that standing at least. It really doesn’t take much from you and i think that’s what a lot of people forget. It doesn’t take much but you do earn a lot of respect. AND it does not mean you are a pushover of some sort. Pride is nothing but an obstacle you placed for yourself.) 

  • anon

    If it’s the culture, and you grew up in it, there is absolutely no excuse for you not having good manners. If you were born and raised in a different place, then there’d probably be a bit more leeway for you not behaving appropriately, but the manners will still be expected the next time. 

    I don’t know if anyone’s noticed, but a lot of the older generation idols seem to have better manners than the more recent ones; this is not to bash on anyone, but whenever news come out about an idol not having good manners, it’s always the junior idols. On the other hand, older generation idols have news articles coming out about them bowing to everyone, be it sunbaes or hoobaes. 

    This reminds me of this video I once saw of Yunho after a performance recording – he bowed (in 90 degrees) no less than 28 times. And now when you read about people most highly respected in the industry, Yunho is one of those people.

    Sometimes, in order to gain respect, you have to first give it.

  • Anonymous

    well i am not Korean so it all seems preposterous to me! you cant really judge what a person is by the way he bows!

    • Atrapforfools

      In Korea you can.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WCYUVYEBNXJ2JFYPKGHPJT4PLI Moonlight Menuett

      ofcourse you can, it shows basic manners and how humble you are.

  • http://twitter.com/nozomi05 Dee

    Manners are important!  

  • frack

    I kinda don’t appreciate the asshole that tweeted that. He could ave contacted the girls in private instead of making that dig. Not defending taras behavior just saying this guy is an asshole. I like how goo hara said it better

  • asianromance

    I hope these incidents of not-bowing are results of an off-night or an off-moment.  It’s not the same but sometimes I forget to hold the door for someone and say “bless you” after someone sneezes.  Every one of us has had a few lapses in manners at one time or another, except we’re not on camera all the time – some of us, never.  

    I do think managers and entertainment companies should routinely stress the importance of bowing to their stars to prevent this sort of thing.  

  • Anonymous

    If you’re in the entertainment business, you’re in the public eye, thus you must be a good role model and set good examples for those watching.

    Being arrogant is offensive and turn-off a lot of people from giving respect, when in turn you want respect.

    Bow to BOTH your seniors/sunbaes and juniors/hoobaes. It’s basic common sense manners.
    (Especially when South Korea holds high cultural standards for respect)

  • http://twitter.com/meteorflower30 Grace

    well im so proud that KHJ shows his respect regardless of age and level 

  • http://twitter.com/KittyKpop Natacha

    Respect for respect
    Every idol should show the example

  • Anonymous

    idk how serious is t-ara and this singer’s case, but i wouldn’t likely to respect someone who criticize my “accidentally” rude manner in public with such emotional way. 

    anyway, thanks for sharing this. i’ll make sure to remember this if i manage to continue my study in korea. 

  • Anonymous

    I´m from Europe so this tradition is little hard for me to understand (in my country the age doesn´t really matter if we want to show our respect to someone and nobody gets the respect automatically just because being born earlier) but I understand it´s a big issue in Korean culture so it should be respected. Good manners are good manners, every culture got its rules.

    Anyway I would have a problem with “lowering” my head like that in Europe as it is more a gesture of surrender than respect but I don´t think I would feel the same with people who consider bowing a good manner.

  • Joona.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBcChCOfTPY&w=420&h=315 Lol challenge your brain. Try counting the number of times he bowed. 

    • Joona

  • http://twitter.com/jms177 Justy

    This article reminds me of when I saw the SNSD members do a full 90 degree bow to the members of A Pink, a rookie group much younger than them. But other than out of respect, they do 90 degree bows to juniors because a lot of them feel intimidated by SNSD’s senority over them and so SNSD bows as a way of lightening the atmosphere and making them feel more comfortable around them. I think that’s a very commendable thing to do in the Korean industry with all the news of rudeness and disrepectful groups floating around.

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