• kriza09

    I’m not denying that this whole thing (whether it’s the bad attitudes or
    the bullying) could be true, but I think it might be overdramatized and
    blown out of proportion by all parties involved: the media, netizens,
    their management, and maybe the artists themselves.

    First, the bad attitude. Maybe some member got injured/sick or felt tired to
    do her job. Maybe she threw an attitude. Maybe she acted out or refused
    to perform on stage. So what? I bet all those idols at one point in
    their career have felt tired of their job and thrown an attitude
    (whether it’s blatantly refusing to work or passive aggressively finding
    excuses). I know for sure some Shinhwa members used to fake a sickness
    when they were too tired. They also sneaked out of practice sessions,
    had a hangover on the day of a live performance, and just refused to
    leave their bed. In return, their managers gave a lot of physical
    punishment to them, just like how parents would discipline their child
    (well, Korean parents, at least).  It’s really not a big deal (well, I
    guess Shinhwa’s case is a bit extreme).

    To those young idols, most of which are still underage, the management
    company is like a substitute parent to them. Most of them are still
    trying to learn to be a mature and responsible adult, and it’s the
    company’s job to teach it to them while their real parents aren’t
    around. If your kid has a bad attitude, then tell him it’s wrong,
    discipline him, give him a time out, or maybe even a physical
    punishment. But no parent would disown their own kid for misbehave. At
    the end of the day, in Korea, age and seniority is valued over anything
    else, which is a culture deeply ingrained in these idols’ minds. I don’t
    think idols in Korea (especially the younger and newer idol like she
    is) have the luxury to really throw an attitude and disrespect their
    managers and staffs who are most likely older and more senior than she
    is.

    Second, the bullying. Netizens have come up with a lot of instances to show
    that there is bullying issue within the group. But I must say those
    instances are too far-fetched to be used as a proof. I mean, you can
    pretty much type “(insert name of Kpop group) bully” on youtube and
    you’ll get all kinds of videos of one member being bullied. I can’t say
    more about other groups, but for Shinhwa, I’m sure I can gather more
    than enough evidence of Andy being bullied to file for a lawsuit (e.g.
    he gets cursed at, kicked at, gets his hair pulled, pushed and locked
    out of a room during interview, slapped in his face, gets ignored or cut
    off when he says something, etc). I’m not saying it’s impossible that
    real bullying can actually happen, but if it does happen, I’m sure they
    could do much better job hiding it. My point is, we really can’t draw
    any conclusion from those clips/videos.

    Even if the slapping was true, I wouldn’t make a big deal out of it. I’m
    sure other groups have their share of verbal/physical fights as well.
    Think about the situation: intense rehearsal for upcoming year-end
    performance. Everyone’s tired and sensitive. Someone kept screwing up.
    So you snapped and slapped her. SO WHAT? It’s still a much more
    reasonable fight than someone burped and put the blame on you, who were
    sensitive because of a hangover, so you snapped and hit him (again,
    happened to Shinhwa).

    Once again, I’m not denying that this group might have an internal problem
    (whether it’s a member’s bad attitude or disharmony among members). It’s
    just sad that all their hard works are going down the drain unnecessarily
    because they are overacting over something normal that so commonly
    happens to other groups.

    • mybiasbeatsyourbias

      That’s why I believe in two things: “you are only as good as your leader” and “leadership is an action NOT a position.”

      CCM needs to adjust their management policy and skills. Not believe in seniority by first comes first serve. Korean firms have the worst ethnic point of views on leadership position in music business. I feel like they are niave kids with to much money and free time.
      The idols of these groups need to wise up. Need to respect each other and their limitations.
      I think the real reason fans are digging so deep for the bullying incidents. Is because it shows how kpop alone has turn toxic. People really look up to these idols so to find out that the unity in your favorite group has gone sour to hostile. Is an unsettling emotion for fans. They don’t want to support the record label’s greed nor the greed of those idols. You have to think of it in the most fandom point of view.
      You by cds and single because A)you like the music B) you believe in the music but C) you want to financial support this group because it is key to their existence. So if scandal breaks out and you find out that the group you were supporting is fake. Its creates a hot messes like this and groups crumble under the pressure.
      Korean labels are guilty for it because what they advertise. This family like bond and unity. Becomes tainted and then force out.
      Every label will suffer for not being wise to seperate business from personal.
      I don’t like the family atomosphere labels try to create. Its a form of exploitation that will back fire 10 folds.
      SM got it with JYJ and Hangeng. JYP with 2pm and Jay Park. Now its CCM with hwayoung T-ara. Who is next?

    • Phan Vũ Hoàng Yến

       Totally agree with you. When you were so tired, physically and metally stressful, to the  point that you throw bad attitude to anybody, this is acceptable. That may sound selfish but it’s nomal behaviour, esspecially for people in crual kpop industry, where artists practice all night long, sleep 2 hours per day (sometimes on practice room, car, film set, everywhere but their bed).  I felt bad for Hwayoung that she can not be accepted by T-ara members and then being kicked out. But I felt bad more for T-ara who have working non-stopingly since the day they debuted (believe me, T-ara is one of the most hard working group, partly to adapt to the member addition) And now, all of their fame has turned into dust and their future is unpreditable. Thanks for the agency, who has failed to control the scandal.

  • aozora1290

    I think this would have blown up regardless without the seemingly passive aggressive tweets between the T-ara members. When the line up change was announced at the beginning of the year people were furious then too. The thing to me that is messed up is that instead of having the PR team release statements KKS has gone to the media himself and has completely thrown Hwayoung under the bus. That’s where it begins to start smelling fishy to me. Although i like T-ara i dont go out of my way to look up news about them but i do know that the bad behavior of other members especially Jiyeon is well documented by fans and netizens. Even in the midst of this controversy i havent seen any physical proof ( videos or photos) of any bad behavior from Hwayoung. The thing that really disgusts me about this whole situation is how CCM and KKS has handled the situation.

    • Phan Vũ Hoàng Yến

       CCM and KKS is the worst agency ever. If it’s for JYP or SM …, they wouldn’t handle the situation this way. I feel bad for both T-ara and Hwayoung

  • hellomomo

    t-ara made kpop/koreans’ image look bad tbh.. if they’ll stick as a group idk anymore it’s like they are supporting the devil(KKS) and the bullies.. not good.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lucaswoodstock Lucas Oliveira Dantas

      this is the most stupid thing i read about this whole controversy. and the saddest part: you are not alone, there are a hundred other idiots whom think the same.

      • zweiosterei

        He/she is just stating his/her honest opinion, you may disagree but that’s no reason for name calling.

        • hellomomo

          thank you! bullying is a serious thing a lot are killing theirselves because of being bullied yet they think we are misjudging t-ara.. ughh.. have they seen t-ara’s new member’s vid about saying that fx luna looks like philippine hobo? ugh.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lucaswoodstock Lucas Oliveira Dantas

            where’s such video?

          • hellomomo

            go search for it lol

          • zweiosterei

            I actually disagree completely with your opinion hellomomo. There’s no actual compelling evidence of bulling. There’s probably evidence of bad relationships within the group but nothing else. Nevertheless, above all, I’ll defend your right to express your opinion without being “prosecuted”, so to speak, even if I don’t agree with your opinion myself. Neither Lucas Oliveira Dantas nor Black Plague have any business calling other people names even if they’re right.

          • hellomomo

            ikr. respect others’ opinion ;)

      • hellomomo

        and you are obvs a t-ara fan.. more like stan. ;)

        • Black_Plague

          And it’s people like you who make people like me feel like rocket scientists. Then again, this is Kpop – it’s littered with simpletons like you.

          • hellomomo

            LOL.. what’s up you rocket scientist you? feeling cool? *kisses you*
            btw, if you clicked his link you’ll see hyomin as his fb header that’s why that’s my reply lmfao

          • Black_Plague

            It doesn’t matter if he’s a fan or not because there’s already a good number of rational non-fans who are criticizing idiots like you for stooping into unthinkable bandwagonism, as your previous comments here have suggested/implied. And you have shown little to no knowledge about the situation as a whole so your opinions so far, are at best, little to nothing more than shit that would be found in AKP or YT.

            That is why you make people like me and those who’re trying to talk this out as calmly as best feel like rocket scientists.

            You were obviously taking a jab back to say that his comment has little to no credibility simply because he’s a fan.

          • hellomomo

            LOL calm yo tits if you have one.. you have your own opinion, I have mine.. you don’t respect my opinion go to those who have the same opinion as you are.  :))

    • Black_Plague

      1. No, the vast majority (more like, every one of them) of the fans don’t support KKS and they’re extremely against him. KKS was never even popular or liked within the fandom to begin with, yet alone CCM as a whole.

      2. Kpop’s image has never looked good entirely long before T-ara’s situation came along. Ever heard of JYJ? Hangeng? KARA’s lawsuit? Open World Entertainment? 5dolls Soomi/Chanmi/Eunkyo? Hm?

      3. Whether if the bullying truly did occur is heavily subject to debate, no matter how one is convinced it did occur or it didn’t (I myself believe it did occur but my words aren’t facts). Both sides’ evidence (rumors, gifs, clips and pictures) is quite flimsy at best.

      4. This isn’t AKP or Youtube.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lucaswoodstock Lucas Oliveira Dantas

        i agree with you on all points but not entirely with the 3rd.

        in my opinion the supposed bullying has been overshadowing a deeper problem that is the work ethics on k-pop. simon and martina raised this point [http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/our-thoughts-on-the-t-ara-break-up/]: imagine 7 to 8 highly competitive young girls, working everyday non-stop together with little rest, plus the fact of one or two new members having to adjust to an already existent group dinamics. it’s obvious there would be some nervousness on every side.

        the prophet blog [http://www.theprophetblog.net/guilty-until-proven-innocent-the-lynch-mob-against-t-ara-and-whos-really-to-blame/] had also remembered that t-ara has been working practically non-stop ever since their debut. now tell me how to be nice and harmonic with one another?

        i’m not at all defending bullying nor saying that t-ara didn’t bully hwayoung, but the truth is that we may never know that for certain. all that is certain and clear is that the ones primarily shocked by the supposed bullying in t-ara have turned out to be the bullies now. and as you black_plague have stated THIS is enough to tarnish k-pop’s image already.

        • Black_Plague

          Ah yes, I should have said about that one too on point number 3 lol (I’ve mentioned about what you said in my main comment at the 4th page).

          But yes, the deep root of the entire issue is none other than the management and more so, that nutcase who has the balls to call himself a CEO.

          Thanks for Simon and Martina’s vid though. I’ll be checking it out :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/lucaswoodstock Lucas Oliveira Dantas

    lovely unbiased article! i’m relatively new k-pop fan and this t-ara controversy is the very first scandal i follow. and i’m shocked with how stupid the general public is about this; i don’t expect media outlets to do decent journalism, but the netizens reactions and nasty comments towards t-ara are not only annoying but shocking! people have lost the track of reality and priority in life and claiming, like the person who commented below, that this t-ara controversy tarnished kpop and korea’s image on the world is… i’m speechless!

    really, this level of stupidity is dangerous!

  • http://twitter.com/sebsobandsky Sabah

    For me this is about our own expectations from those we idolize which might not be the very expectations those idols have for themselves.  A person can be a good father but a terrible husband.  A person can be a good mother but a horrible friend.  Few people are all-rounders, and most people I know are such people and I have been at the receiving end of either the good or the bad and therefore my relationship has been grounded in that negative or positive energy. 

    This applies to the members of T-ara too.  They might be terrible, horrible friends but they are excellent entertainers and that is how I have known them and therefore that is how I relate to them; with positivity. 

    However whilst watching ‘five things I love about pop’ specifically the Star Idol Olympics, I came across Jiyeon’s bit in the table tennis part and I hesitated in smiling.  I paused the video and asked myself, should I be watching this?  I am a forgiving person, and can let much negativity in a person go because none of us are perfect.  However I find it hard to be so forgiving with people who show no remorse at all.  I think it would have been easier if they had been a confession and then remorse followed by making amends. 

    But why should I even ask for such clarification? Just a few weeks ago, I was up in arms at netizens demanding similar clarification in regards Ulala Session’s Yun Taek and his illness.  In that instance, I was offended by people’s need to know the truth, so what is so different here? Are not both Yun Taek and T-ara innocent until proven guilty? 

    The evidence against T-ara is not worth a conviction and truth be told, in a world of spin and our own personal defence mechanisms, will we ever know the truth?  Even people present will remember things differently amidst our own minds justifications and excuses.  As for the case of Hwa Young, as they say the best revenge is to live well. 

    Coming back full circle to my expectations from T-ara.   Sure, I would like them to good people too, because who wants to waste their time and give their money to ‘not so nice’ people or even to fund bullying and legitimize it, so as I said I hesitated in watching them ‘perform.’  However my expectations have always been about them as entertainers and so for now, I am going back to enjoy Jiyeon in the Idol Olympics.  Until of course any conclusion of a legitimate trial and NOT from findings of a witch-hunt.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lucaswoodstock Lucas Oliveira Dantas

      *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*

      this is mature thought! the problem with the k-poppers is that they trully buy into the idolizing shit entertainment agencies and the media sell. expecting these young people to be the roles of your lives just show how fucked up your life must be.

      i love k-pop. its sheer fun and excelent execution of music and dance has helped go through a lot of personal stuff when i started paying attention to it. but i don’t owe to these artists and their agencies any aspect of my life, therefore i don’t demand any truth about t-ara or anyone else on k-pop.

      like you stated, truth is a highly subjective thing; since nothing’s all black and white nor craved in stone we might never know what really happened between the t-ara members and putting your life energy into DEMANDING TO KNOW such thing… well in my humble opinion people should review their priorities in life.

      • http://twitter.com/sebsobandsky Sabah

        I liked your point about role models.  Mainstream modern day role models are strange indeed.  Young people who haven’t even lived their lives are not going to being able to impart much beyond the basic.  Even in terms of music, singing and dancing, wherein they shine, there are years of learning, of failing and of improvement from which they will be finally in a position to speak of certain wisdom. 

        I can understand admiration for their good qualities such as the discipline and determination needed to succeed in such a harsh environment, even I respect them for that.  However it is when we idolize them, as you say that the problems begin.  They just like you and I, with weaknesses and faults, so to expect the impossible and then be disappointed when we find otherwise just seems harsh.  

        “people should review their priorities in life.” I couldn’t agree more with you.

        • zweiosterei

          You got a point there. Expecting wisdom and maturity from very young, highly stressed, extremely competitive people is probably not the most healthy idea. So that’s why the management should be the one responsible to keep everything in order and to oversee that there isn’t any animosity between the members of a group.

  • taestits

    This shit is getting more and more catastrophic by the day…they should just disband; there’s no possible way that the remaining members will be able to successfully promote after this disaster. This is worse than that DBSK/JYJ thing, and that’s saying a lot.