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SB Chat Box #3: the Wonder Girls, Tasha, and K-pop polls

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Written by On November 3, 2011

With just so much going on in K-pop, we can’t possibly deprive you of another episode of our Seoulbeats Chat Box, can we?

This week, we talk about:

  • The Wonder Girrrrrls (1:23)

  • WG’s song resume vs. SNSD‘s song resume (10:00)

  • SNSD’s “The Boys” (14:28)

  • Does high quality not matter? (21:40)

  • T-T-T-Tasha (29:00)

  • Korea and K-pop fans’ love of polls (38:00)

  • Subi mispronounces “SONES” and we blow her mind (41:15)

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This week, shouts go to hapacalgirl for guessing all the songs correctly from the last episode of Chat Box. Get guessin’ for this week folks, and you can get a shout-out from us next week!

If there’s anything you’d like to hear us talk about in upcoming episodes, let us know in the comments below.

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  • Gnattie

    I really like these chat boxes. It’s nice that Patricia’s contributing. I agree with a lot of your points. Word of warning: talk a little slower and don’t talk over each other.

    • Gnattie

      Subi, don’t feel bad. I used to pronounce SONEs as “so-nees” or “sones.” Why are the pronounciations always so weird?

      • http://twitter.com/miss_subi Subashiny

        I legit do not get it. Sones (Like So Nye(s)) makes so much more sense than So(Wons). Like what the heck?!

        • HelloHello

          So(Won) means ‘wish’, but SONES is pretty much a weird+not interesting name for a fanclub. I still pronounce it as ‘sones’ eventhough I know the correct way to say it lol

      • http://twitter.com/flickaddi Felicia Addison

        Lol it reminded me of Eatyourkimchi’s batoost thing

  • Naia

    The Jaejoong Phenomena: My family doesn’t understand other. I don’t even understand and I’m part of it. :) LOL

    • Naia

      I meant either not other

  • http://twitter.com/TheTofuMonster The Tofu Monster

    I appreciate the meta-ness. Fangirls talking about fangirls.

  • Anonymous

    I feel like the Wonder Girls just promoted outside Korea/went to the US too early. They should have produced more songs before they left. Like they haven’t much materials to show. They have only 3 hit songs, Tell Me, So Hot and Nobody.

    But with the experiences they gained from having tons of concert tours after leaving, I think those experiences are helpful. They have formed stronger relationship between themselves too. If they never left Korea, they might not be able to grow and they might just stick in their comfort zone. 

    I have high hope with their new songs not just their title song, Be My Baby. 

    For SNSD, Their ‘The Boys’ is not quite good. Their vocal has improved but the lyrics itself sucks. It doesn’t make any sense. I’m kinda disappointed. Maybe they are just too tired after having heavy promotion and concerts in Japan.

    PS. Does anybody know the name of the 4th song played? The one with guitar sound and a man singing. Thanks

    • Anonymous

      Love Light by CN Blue

      • Anonymous

        Thank you! :) :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2UNQGN7IPNTIRIWBNVHEFBHHV4 a z

    who is singing the song starting @ 27:59??

  • Anonymous

    I felt so old when I heard you guys say ”we were never really there to see them do it [healthy competition]”…cause I was there to see them battle it out. Also, despite KARA debuting at the same time, they never really got much attention cause it all went to WG and SNSD. And if I remember right, SNSD and Wonder Girls performed each other’s song – Tell Me and Kissing You.

    • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

      Oh whoops, I don’t know why I forgot about that (re: SNSD & WG covering each others’ songs), so I DID keep up with them during then haha.

  • khai vu

    My mind was blown by the real pronunciation of f.cuz. Haha.

    And I was doubtful of Wondergirls comeback. But I think if they have a hit along the lines of Tell Me, they could regain their popularity. Their legacy is still there, they just have to live up to it with the right song.

  • Anonymous

    Wooo thanks for the shoutout guys <3

    Amy, this is going to sound weird, but I think you have a really soothing voice…

  • Anonymous

    Amerie feat 4minute – “Heard Em All”

    Wonder Girls – “Ebabo (Fool)” ßI
    seriously love this long, I don’t even know why.

    Wonder Girls – “Move”

    CN Blue – “ Love Light”

    Tasha – “Get It In”

    Taeyang – “Take It Slow”

     

    I really like these chat boxes, it’s a good way to discuss
    current kpop shananigans.

     

    Actually SME is really business minded and he did choose to
    release “Gee” when none of the big groups were out because even though SNSD had
    a large amount of fans they weren’t really big time popular and needed a “Gee”
    big type of single if they wanted to stick around a make a mark in kpop. Would
    “Gee” have been as big if Suju/Big Bang/Wondergirls/DBSK were promoting, no one
    really knows, it may have, it may have not.  I don’t think catchiness determines quality, in fact the
    fact that “hook” songs are what is popular in kpop is sad.  I mean lets be real, but “Gee” and “Oh”
    were such bad songs if you look at them vocally and lyrically.  I mean I will give SNSD credit in that
    they are great performers and they can sell the song, but vocally I have not
    heard Taeyeon sound as bad as she did in those two songs, the fact that SME had
    them sing so high to aegyo fill the songs made it really hard for me to listen
    to them. I think the beat of “The Boys” isn’t that bad and had a lot potential
    which is why the song has grown on me a little bit but I still can’t like the
    song because lets face it, SNSD should really stop this talk-rap things.  THANK YOU AMY for your statement “they
    have more shitty songs”, I really like SNSD as people and I respect their
    performance skills and I do think they have vocal talent but their songs just
    suck because they focus too much on being catchy and not on actual quality ( a
    major problem I have with SME) which is sad because they do have the talent. See
    I wouldn’t compare Wonder Girls with BoA, because BoA for one thing was out of
    the kpop scene for 5 years, I mean her hey day was when DBSK debuted for
    goodness sakes,  and with her being
    a soloist its harder for her to keep her popularity. It didn’t help that SME
    half-a$$ed her comeback with a eh type of comeback single.  BoA really needed to comeback with a
    “My Name “ or “Girls On Top” type of impact comeback single to really bring
    attention and she didn’t. The BoA that came back last year is far from the BoA
    that I remember seeing from her debut with ID: Peace B up till the last time
    she was in Korea or even the Jpop BoA that performed songs like “Eien” and
    “Lose Your Mind” or anything she collaborated with m-flo. I love Tasha, but I
    have to agree I am not really feeling the song. Her flow is still awesome so I
    love those parts but the song seems boring and I definitely not feeling the
    autotune. I agree about jaejoong in that I don’t find him attractive but I do
    think he is a handsome guy.  I can
    also see why he has the fans he does, he has that x factor and the talent to
    back it up, he also seems like a really nice person in real life and I think
    that draws his fans in.

    • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

      Ding ding ding on the songs!

      I agree with you on everything except for where you say that Gee is a bad song. Gee is actually a GREAT song if you look past the version that SNSD performs. I was actually blown away by how amazing of a song Gee is when all these different artists started doing their own covers and their own takes of the song, which made me realize just how versatile the song is, musically. It works best in my opinion as a down-tempo ballad, and not a chipper, hook hot mess. There are too many to link, but there was an instrumental group that covered Gee — no singing, just playing — and it was AMAZING. So I think there’s a lot going on for the song, it’s just that the final version and ultimate version that people know — the annoying, plague-like version that SNSD performs — is the one that’s most popular.

      • Anonymous

        I agree that if I look at Gee from an instrumental version that its a great song but I personally can’t say the same about lyrically and, in the case of SNSD, vocally.  Its definitely a versatile song but the lyrics are so incredibly simple and childish as though listeners are all 13 year olds or younger. I mean “so surprised surprised, I’m shocked” or ” so bright so bright I’m blinded” really?  I mean yes I find that the slower covers sound great thus showing the versatility of the song, but it doesn’t change the silliness of the lyrics themselves. 

  • http://twitter.com/flickaddi Felicia Addison

    rookie groups this year as a topic?

  • ML

    i just think its funny that you guys find it so random that all these fans hear about these polls when the seoulbeats twitter tweeted out the miss seoulbeats poll to all the major fan forums and urged them to vote for their favorite ideal girls. so… it’s not random. it’s more like… you recruited and activated these fan armies :)

    just thought i’d throw that out there hehe

    • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

      We didn’t say it’s random — because yep, we do reach out — but we try to reach out to all fandoms and all fangroups yet some artists always attract the most votes because their fanbase is way more active than others. That’s what we’re getting at :D

  • Brent

    I have been mispronouncing SONEs  FOREVER until SNSD just came back and they were thanking the fans. I literally was like WHAT THE HECK!!!!! mind blowing…. like life shattering…..

  • saylor

    I didn’t like tasha’s song, but i gotta disagree with you guys about the video….i loved it.  very impressive work.  but overall yeah the single was overwhelming…two years ive been waiting for this wth???

    • saylor

      but her rapping is freakin fierce!!!!  

  • Anumafzaal62

    hey, just wanted to say that i’m a huge fan of podcasts and love that seoulbeats now has a podcast too. the girls represent most kpop fan views and the conversations are always interesting. although it would be a bit interesting if a fanboy was thrown in the mix! (not sure if seoulbeats has male writers….) 
    keep up the good work! thanks for the podcasts! :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anngelica-Aguilar/100000185514336 Anngelica Aguilar

    I agree with Amy on Wonder Girls

  • Anumafzaal62

    don’t know if you talked about this in the first two podcasts but i’d like to hear your viewpoints on the whole kang hodong situation, whether or not his retirement was the best move and if he’s ever going to come back. also the whole boom coming back from the army and immediately taking over, along with leeteuk. isn’t leeteuk going into the army in early 2012?? who’ll replace him? another super junior member? 
    also i don’t know if it’s just me who thinks this, but besides SNSD i don’t think there is a “solid” group left in kpop with a strong fan base. by solid i mean a group that’s still in tact (not broken like dbsk or suju) and by a strong fan base i mean a good following in korea, japan, and outside of asia. especially in SME, before dbsk was top dog, now it’s SNSD. but who will be SM’s next cash cows? i personally feel shinee and f(x) aren’t doing anything for SME. i don’t follow shinee much but i don’t think their accomplishments in london or japan or w/e have been because they have the same level or popularity and catchy songs as dbsk and snsd, more so that sm is trying to market them really hard. especially their rankings on the oricon chart, i don’t think that really indicates much anymore. so yeah, once SNSD “dies” who will be the next money maker for sm? super junior is pretty much gone, dbsk is slowly fading, and i think snsd’s days are numbered as well. f(x) is a total failure when it comes to songs and shinee…i just don’t think they’re superstar material. 

    also, how do u think SNSD will end? will they disband because of contract issues or internal conflicts? will they be the female shinhwa and stay together forever but do solo activities? or will be eventually become as irrelevant as suju kibum’s acting career? i have a feeling that history may repeat itself. next 2 years snsd may work heavily in japan and usa and then fall 2013 make an epic comeback. but come 2014 and they some of the members are tired of the way sm has treated them or just not wanna resign. OOH or maybe snsd will be victims of a horrible scandal???? it would be interesting is a 2pm situation occurred and SONES turned their backs on the group and started releasing top secret soshi info! that would be amazing!

    just food for thought :)

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  • http://twitter.com/flickaddi Felicia Addison

    I feel like I’m the only one that loved Get It In :S forever alone

    • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

      Nah, it’s my jam right now. I actually like the song a lot, and got drowned out by Subi and Patricia’s dislike, heh heh :3

    • Anonymous

      I like “Get It In” don’t get me wrong and I think its a good song, just a bit of  let down coming from Tasha which is probably because I held higher expectations for her new material than any run of the mill artist. 

      • http://twitter.com/flickaddi Felicia Addison

        maybe thats why i loved it because i had no expectations as i’ve never heard of her till now

  • cutiepie88

     I really can’t wait to see Wonder Girls comeback I saw a couple of their teasers & I think they look great but I have to agree you ladies all favor seems to be in SNSD hands! “The Boys” both the song & the mv both had some parts that I thought was good & badGood- mv for the most part nicely done, girls looked nice (some better than others), I for one like they went in a new direction, dancing and singing to me improved  Bad- O_O (the dove my question WHY?) that silly “cheerleading chorus” :P and to be honest I thought of Gwen Stefani “Hollaback Girl” a little bit while listening to the song but its not a terrible but its not that great either Anumafzaal62 I think you took the words out of mouth which I really hope is discussed in a future podcasts because I love Shinee (their debut was so GOOD) & their performances on stage are really great & but interviews & just speaking in general they seem awkward to me & I’m sorry they don’t have that superstar factor in that aspect & I cringe a little just watching this them & Minho “nuff said” *sigh* and now SM I think is coming out with another boy band? (not sure) & if they do I am going to be so mad b/c really SM you need worry about the artist on your roster NOW!! What is going on with SM seriously I was a maniac back in the day I think the height of SM popularity was from about late 06 to early 09 (if I am wrong let me know) but then after that :P 

    “The Boys” both the song & the mv both had some parts that I thought was good & bad
    Good- mv for the most part nicely done, girls looked nice (some better than others), I for one like they went in a new direction, dancing and singing to me improved
     Bad- O_O (the dove my question WHY?) that silly “cheerleading chorus” :P and to be honest I thought of Gwen Stefani “Hollaback Girl” a little bit while listening to the song but its not a terrible but its not that great either
     Anumafzaal62 I think you took the words out of mouth which I really hope is discussed in a future podcasts because I love Shinee (their debut was so GOOD) & their performances on stage are really great & but interviews & just speaking in general they seem awkward to me & I’m sorry they don’t have that superstar factor in that aspect & I cringe a little just watching this them & Minho “nuff said” *sigh* and now SM I think is coming out with another boy band? (not sure) & if they do I am going to be so mad b/c really SM you need worry about the artist on your roster NOW!! What is going on with SM seriously I was a maniac back in the day I think the height of SM popularity was from about late 06 to early 09 (if I am wrong let me know) but then after that :P
     

  • CircuitRLC

    The english version of get in is much better

  • http://twitter.com/VeiledHeart LaShaundra

    wait…F.Cuz is focus??? I never knew that lmao

  • http://twitter.com/verydarling elle

    “I think the Wonder Girls are significantly more talented then SNSD.”

  • http://twitter.com/verydarling elle

    Reviews of Wonder Girls Be My Baby, and english version of the song :)

  • http://twitter.com/verydarling elle

    Reviews of Wonder Girls Be My Baby, and english version of the song :)

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  • http://twitter.com/KimcheeSushi フェィシア

    Lol subi and her frustrations on sohee. and sones. LOLOLOLOLOL
    I went to google your ideal cup. it’s so awesome how 4/5 DB5K got into the final :D i’m happy :P
    Yes cassies are all crays <3 Jae's 4D-ness is attractive. Like.. I think I find adorkable guys really attractive :P Gosh what kpop has done to me. Except.. i'm a min bias. Ok i'm just ranting here. sorry guys. It's 1am and my math homework is on my lap.. I don't have anyone to talk to.
    omg lol DB5K hana yori dango. I'll flail 100000000x more than i did.