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Never Trust a K-Pop Poll

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This article was inspired by my utter boredom in my statistics class and wondering how it relates to my life. Now, K-popvians, we all have encountered our polls in K-pop land:“Who has the best skin?”
  • “Who has the best ‘insert alphabet letter of choice’ line?”
  • “Which idol is the smartest?”
  • “Which idol should take classes in political correctness?”

Okay, maybe not the last one, but it should be there no?

Even at Seoulbeats, we have had various polls, namely Miss Seoulbeats and Seoulbeats Ideal Type World Cup. And we have written about why those  and other similar polls are not representative, and using Statistics’ theories here is why.

K-pop has a lot of bias and it is a niche fandom, meaning that it attracts only a certain group of people. It is not at all representative of opinion at all. Polls, especially in this realm, is solely voluntary. Meaning that there is no randomization at all. In statistics, in order to eliminate bias and make sure your sample is representative of the population, you have to randomly choose your subjects. But polls, especially those on the Internet, faces a serious problem with that. This type of bias is called voluntary bias, that those who vote on these polls have strong opinions and feelings on the subject thus affecting the outcomes. And those conducting these polls have no power in who responds.

Not only is there a problem with the bias but the questions that these polls ask are hard to rate uniformly. For example, beauty. Different cultures have different standards of beauty. So when someone from Asia looks at a female idol and says she has curves, those from a western culture might view it differently. Because there is no universal standard for beauty it is hard to measure. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

Even those you can measure quantitatively, like intelligence, was also severely screwed up. When I first read the article about Im Yoona being ranked “Most Intelligent Female Idol” I was intrigued. I thought “Interesting, all I hear about SNSD is how ‘shallow’ they are. Good for you Yoona” Then I read the article. The participants, in this very small poll of 238 people, voted for her, Kara’s Goo Hara, and After School’s Kahi as the most talented and intelligent because they can“…actively sing, act, and make numerous variety show appearances…”.

Say what? Intelligence can be measured on a quantitative scale eg: SAT, IQ, ACT, G scores. Is it completely accurate? No, but it is a lot more accurate then measuring intelligence based on being able to “Sing, dance and go on variety shows.” According to Howard Gardner, musicality is a specific sort of intelligence but this article is talking about overall intelligence. And there are people in the K-pop sphere that do sing, dance, and rock the variety shows better than those mentioned in this article.   It again shows the severe depravity in the quality and information of those polls.

So when the next poll comes out on “Who has the most chocolatey chocolate abs” or “Which idol can wrestle a rabid polar bear,” remember that just because they win a poll it does not mean that it is fact.

(Stats: Modeling the World, NewsenHockenbury and Hockenbury: 5th Edition)

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  • eboy07

    Great another SNSD picture.

  • Anonymous

    Lol I like this article and I agree that Kpop polls are useless, despite how seriously many Kpop fans take them. They’ll be damned if their oppar isn’t the smexiest idol evar according to some random, meaningless poll.

    You bring up an interesting point about beauty. Different cultures DO have different standards of beauty. For example, Yoona. Yoona is supposed to be one of the most beautiful woman in Korea, but most international fans that I’ve talked to think she’s just pretty in a plain sort of way, nothing really special. To Koreans, Yoona is gorgeous because she fits into the one-and-only standard of beauty. Another example is something that happened to me today. I was looking at a picture of Tiffany and I showed it to my mother, who is completely and entirely unfamiliar with Asian culture and Kpop and everything that we’re used to, and asked her if she thought Tiffany was pretty. This wasn’t just one picture of Tiffany, it was like 20 pictures of her at once, showing her with different looks and styles (it was on my Tumblr dash). My mother analyzed her before saying, “She’s cute. I wouldn’t give her an A+ but she’s cute.” I told her Tiffany is considered extremely pretty in Korea and my mother said everyone has their own idea of beauty. My brother and father also don’t find the SNSD girls all that pretty. My brother is the same age as the girls and thought they were 15 before I told him otherwise. They thought Sooyoung was really pretty face-wise, though, as in much prettier than the rest. I don’t know about anyone else, but I find these sort of minor cultural differences interesting. SNSD is supposed to be the pinnacle of beauty in Asia but to a regular, white American family, they’re nothing special.

    I wonder how Kpop would take off in places like India, where curvy women with hourglass figures are seen as the ideal. Bollywood actresses typically have volumptuous bodies completely unlike the stick-thin bodies of Kpop stars. Would they still be seen as sexy and perfect in a culture like that?

  • Guest_no2

    A poll is only as good as the people who vote

  • mrsjung

    lol kpop polls are just ridiculous. 

  • Anonymous

    I read so many useless articles about these ridiculous polls.
    Yoona appeared in almost every poll like how she is best natural beauty, most intelligent, best “doe-like eyes”, best female idols in army uniform, idol with the most beautiful smile, #1 celebrities that people would to go on an autumn walk with while holding hand, #1 for ‘Celebrity Too Attractive to Keep Just as a Friend and more.
    Yoona is being mentioned in so many polls that I get so tired of it. I also learned about statistics and I know that those polls are so biased. The samples are not the representatives of the population. And only a certain group of people vote in those polls. People who conduct those survey should learn about statistics about doing them.

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  • yellow

    well kevjumba is a heterosexual bear wrestler

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/zs7ITR93moWQEekTSwzTHR9j1u.Z2xEl0w--#542b8 LoL

    this article is just like my business statistics class notes. what is it doing in a kpop site?? lol

    also, it’s not like people actually take these kpop celebrity polls seriously. to think that someone actually took the time to write an article about why these polls shouldn’t be taken seriously is just, well……. uhm….. siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh…

  • Zelmire

    So… which idol CAN wrestle a rabid polar bear?

    I’d say YoonA. After all, she can actively sing, act, and make numerous variety show appearances.

  • wondersmurf

    I just wanna say… SNSD looks really pretty in that picture above the title. They look younger, when was that?

  • http://www.facebook.com/roan.deguzman3 Ro-an de Guzman

    Since when polls became believable? Also, I simply can’t understand that when it comes to polls, it’s always SNSD or any SNSD member will top the list while there are other female idols—solo or member in a group—are greater than any SNSD member in terms of singing, dancing, acting, hosting, rapping as well as establishing relationships between a group and fans. Also, there is no need to mention that there are Korean idols and celebs that are looking better and very sexier than SNSD. Now that Yuri has become as skinny as Yoona, no one in SNSD that is as sexier than anyone else.

    As much as I hate to hate Yoona, but how come she is besting at everything? For the love of humanity, she does not have an S-Line! And is there anyone who could measure the intelligence quotient of Yoona?
    I guess those Kpoppers who vote Yoona should check online dictionary and know the word INTELLIGENT and INTELLIGENCE, because you can have talent in DANCING, SINGING, ACTING, but lacking common sense and wit. You can do any of those but you commit numerous logical fallacies. You can do any of those but you fail at academic performances. I can call someone intelligent if that person is witty, has common sense, and has awesome academic performances. To quote Filipino writer Bob Ong (ABNKKBSNPLAko?!)…

    People under the “performer lists” (i.e. those who are active in singing, dancing, acting, sports activities) are just mere performers but questionable when it comes to intellect and class participation. He may not have said the same exact words like I do, but for Filipino readers, you can buy that book in any available National Bookstore. However, the way I describe the “performers” is almost the same as how Bob Ong describes. Not to generalize those people though, since there are people who are prodigious enough in mastering all of those.

    I am not questioning Yoona, but calling Yoona as the “most intelligent one” is the most laughable statement ever heard. I could definitely agree if Park Ye-eun of Wondergirls would be labelled as “most intelligent idol” because she managed to receive Straight As or A+s while being an idol. And she is great at posting empowering/inspiring statements on her Twitter. If Nichkhun would manage to land in College, I could include him to the list, and I am not saying this because he is my “bebeh”, “bias”, “luvz”. He is able to master 4 different languages, and he even managed to get high GPAs on his high school.

    If you know anyone whom you could mention, them please tell me.  

    • Nate

      I agree.
      Not to mention that tons of underrated entertainers are far more ‘intelligent’ than the people that were in the list, the sad thing is that.. they’re underrated.
      Take Alexander Lee Eusebio (former member of Ukiss), he’s pretty underrated. Like you said about Nichkhun, mastering multiple different languages is pretty intelligent. Alexander speaks 7 (Portuguese, Cantonese, Mandarin, Korean, Japanese, English, and Spanish). AJ, another member of Ukiss, is also underrated. He got accepted to an Ivy League school (Columbia).
      These qualities must prove that they’re at least over average.
      Sadly, I don’t really see any of the ‘intelligent’ idols, that were mentioned, having much of these qualities.
      (sorry for my poor english, it is not my native language.)

  • http://tshidi.tumblr.com tshidi

    A poll is only as good as how thoroughly it is set up, as well as how reasonable the sample of the population used.

    That being said, kpop polls are a joke.

  • http://tshidi.tumblr.com tshidi

    A poll is only as good as how thoroughly it is set up, as well as how reasonable the sample of the population used.

    That being said, kpop polls are a joke.

  • Anonymous

    Lmao. Well as long as some good is coming out of those stats classes.

  • http://twitter.com/yufieAmiX3 Ameera Filzati

    I totally agree with you. It’s fucking true!

  • Meh

    every kind of k-pop poll included five men of “old DBSK” will turn into a bloody battle between JYJ and Homin. meh.

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  • http://twitter.com/00erica00 Erica Chan

    Blame the people who make up the nonsense polls. It is because of them that when SNSD actually tops a legit poll or survey (like Gallup), people question their validity. People these days… 

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  • Liyana Yasmin Sinaga

    Well, I know one idol that is very intelligent (and because he’s my bias). Ok Taecyeon. Since you mentioned SAT, he scored more than 2100. He’s in the freaking National’s Honor Society. He took the college entrance exam in Korea like normal kid does, and got accepted in two university, Dangkook and Sungkyunkwan. He admitted into Dangkook. Most idols in Korea took music major in college, but Taecyeon took Business Administration instead. Now that is intelligent.