• http://twitter.com/lily_of_west Majin Buu

    I think the companies that manage the group/idol are solely responsible for their safety. Yes, fans can go overboard sometimes, but the safety of these groups completely lies on the shoulders of the company that manages them. You hire security in situations where you know your artist might be exposed to screaming fangirls who are more than willing to do anything to snap a picture of their bias or make physical contact.

    I have never heard of an instance were one of YG managers raised a hand at a fan! Ever! Nor have I even seen as much commotion as I do when SM and even groups from other companies are involved. And no, it’s not because they have more fans, or more passionate fans than YG artists. I’ve seen hundreds, thousands of fans at airports waiting for Big Bang or 2ne1, but things never got that much out of control because YG makes sure the groups, managers, stylists, back up dancers the entire crew has security following them, making sure everyone is safe. I’ve noticed that with other companies, SM especially, they rely mostly on the managers to protect the groups. And because of it we have footage and pictures of those managers hitting the fans, which is inexcusable in my point of view. Managers aren’t there to act as bodyguards, nor do they have the right to physically attack fans.

    If the security at a certain venue or airport is organized properly, there will be no need for anyone to get physical with overzealous fans. 1-2 managers cannot physically protect a group of 13 people from hundreds of fans (looking at you SME). It’s mission impossible. You hire people who are trained to do it and avoid any problems of that sort.

    • ANANAS

      True. If they don’t think they can handle the crowd at an airport then they should take back doors that are available to them for these reasons. So what if the “fans are disappointed”. Airports don’t equal fan meetings. I don’t know if it’s because i’m uninformed but I always hear about SM managers hitting the fans more than any other company. Yes fans are part of the blame but so is bad management. Their should be bodyguards and police escorts if necessary  Why is it the MANAGER hitting the fans? are their no police or bodyguards? http://www.allkpop.com/2011/12/2ne1s-park-bom-scolds-her-manager-in-defence-of-a-fan Park Bom asks her manager to apologize to a fan that stepped backwards and tripped on his feet. The celebs. should take control too. Tell the fans that they need to back up or else they won’t be allowed to walk freely in the airports and will have to take back- doors. These crowds are a risk to everyone involved– Idol image and safety, manager job, fan safety. 

      • http://twitter.com/lily_of_west Majin Buu

        Exactly. And in the instance you mentioned the fan tripped like you said, and yet Bom, thinking the manager pushed unintentionally still reacted, that’s rare to see. There’s even an instance of Big Bang not long ago where a fan started to run after the boys she slipped and fell and Daesung stopped together with the manager and the security to help her out.

        I know some fans can act crazy and go overboard, even worse, but they will only behave as bad as the company lets that manages a certain group lets them. I’m taking SM as an example because most of this happens to the idols from SM, both fans acting crazy as hell and managers hitting the fans. I commented about this a while ago with a friend. Both her and I agreed that SM acts as tho airports are a runway, letting the idols walk with no proper security, thus allowing the fans to act like they do, and then when people condemn them for the physical attacks on the fans, other fans defend them by saying “Oh well those fans were acting crazy, they deserved it” or “The managers had to protect the boys”. If they were protected by real security in necessary numbers, the fans wouldn’t even get a chance to get that close or act the way they act.

        I agree that some fans don’t have self control, but if they see that the only thing stopping them from their bias is a scrawny manager or two, of course they’re gonna try some shit.

        Yes there are sasaeng fans who do stuff which normal people would never think of, but I’ll say it again it all comes down the how the company decides to act upon defusing that problem, and some companies don’t even try to take care of it. If your money depends on the idols, shouldn’t you make sure your investment is protected at all costs and not parade them around with no security.

        • ANANAS

          Yup. I’m not even talking about sasaeng– that’s another level. This is just normal fan’s. 

    • http://twitter.com/lillian23910 Sharon

      It’s true. when TOP arrived to Canada for a photoshoot, he took the back route out. My friend was upset, but this just goes to show how unprepared SM is. Manaers are not there to protect idols. stop being cheap and hire a bodyguards. 

  • illerz

    Even as a teenager I never acted like that. Its called self control, fans should learn some. I’m sorry, I get the hormonally charge reactions but I was a NSYNC fan back in the day, and I never acted like that. Chased them or did anything that would bring them harm. Because when you are a real fan you should think like that. STOP. THINK. Is this going to hurt the person I love? If they don’t think like that then their parents should be teaching them how. SOMEONE should be teaching them. And this is where COMPANIES are to be blamed in this, they facilitate it in my opinion, one by not having better security, two by not prosecuting when fans step out of line, and three by making their stars pander to the notion that the fans own them. But I lay quite a bit of blame on the children AND the parents. I know if I did half the things these kids and GROWN people did my mother would have slapped me back into next century. I’d have been grounded, SOMETHING. The sense would have been taught into me one way or another. And my mother certainly wouldn’t give me a DIME with me acting like that.  And some of the “fans” prostitute themselves in order to be able to abuse their stars. Its sick. There parents need to force them to spend that 400 dollars a day on some weekly therapy.
    Yes I know some of what I mention is sasaeng behavior but let’s be real how many in a crowd of fans are sasaeng? Enough to make prisoners out of idols.

    But I think if you do things to hurt your stars without thinking, you need to stop take a step back reevaluate and then try to enlighten the next fan about to do the same thing if you can. Not sit about making excuses for your actions. 

    The most ridiculous thing I did was thinking britney spears didn’t deserve justin but I never wrote her hate letters, or sent her blood or stalked her or him. Or anything like that! Control people! You’re making fandoms look bad!

    And the companies need to do better. MUCH MUCH better. Cops need to do their jobs and arrest people breaking the laws in pursuit of their idols. And if everyone actually did their jobs stars would be safer and so would fans.

    That is my cold assessment. But I do feel bad when well mannered fans get hurt in the process or blamed. It stinks.

  • Jane Doe

    There is no excuse to act like that. I don’t care how much you like someone, it does not excuse you getting in their face or physically touching them. I’m so sick of people excusing these so-called fans then turning around and screaming bloody murder when talking about rape and assault  At the heart of those crimes is the same kind of mentality; someone thinking they have a right to get physical with another person even if that reason is (OHMYGODILOVEYOUSOMUCHIJUSTCANTHELPMYSELFOMGIBOUGHTYOURLAST35ALBUMS!!!!)
    If the company wants to make their artist available then that does not mean fans should take every opportunity to behave like mindless animals. Whenever I see those videos thats what they look like to me…a pack of wild, mindless animals. They are disrupting the airport, clogging the streets and possibly causing all kinds of troubles and harm to regular people that never gets publicized  After seeing hundreds of videos like the one above, and worse, I think it is hilarious that people talk about fans “rights” being violated. If you want respect then you have to act like someone worthy of it.

    • wahooyahoo

      It also falls on the companies as well: they build kpop idols on these basis of fanatical devotion and hormones and obsession, so if they’re going to breed that type of culture, they should put in place security and other measures to keep their products safe in those environments. Or how about, just not releasing the travel plans of their idols. I think this is so crazy.  Does anyone know if Western artists do this, release their travel plans to the general public? Sure the paparazzi might know/pay insiders to know, but the average fan doesn’t and they never get mobbed at the airport by waiting fans, only people lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

  • http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

    I honestly can’t blame managers for getting physical. I have heard numerous reports from the idols themselves about being sexually assaulted when they go overseas. As in a fan stuck their hand inside their clothes and started to grope their body. If someone did that to me I would turn around and punch them out, yet it seems like most idols just put up with it.

    I think fans really need to learn some self control sometimes. Being the center of attention of a mob that is crossing your personal boundaries is scary. Really what they are doing is creating a fear in their idols of being near the fans.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyushi Yushi Wang

    SHINee’s manager is one of the ones that really treat fans horribly. It really pains me for the one that actually gets slapped or hit or shoved when all they want is probably say hi to the idol. What I don’t get is why they have to make the airport so public, isn’t there a back exit specifically for celebs? That would stop a lotta problems, as well, needs to be more security, so that the security can control fans, and not the manager. When the manager does it, it really makes the group appear bad as well. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

      SHINee’s managers get the most flack, but DBSK and Super Junior’s managers have all acted the same way before, as well, even the ever-so-popular Prince Manager Junghoon. Then again, Cassies and ELFs of 5 years ago are crazier than current fans.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

      SHINee’s managers get the most flack, but DBSK and Super Junior’s managers have all acted the same way before, as well, even the ever-so-popular Prince Manager Junghoon. Then again, Cassies and ELFs of 5 years ago are crazier than current fans.

  • Cerovill_e

    To be really honest, I cannot blame the managers for doing that to the fans (hitting, punching, etc). If I was the manager, of course I will do that too for the sake of the idols’ safety.

    Sasaeng fans are the perfect example for this. Seriously, can’t they just have self-control for once? Not only they push other fans around just to be able to touch the idols, but they did things to the idols that are almost equal to that of the criminals’ doings: crimes. They spent thousands of dollars/wons just to tail the idols 24/7, sent disgusting blood letters, and even hunt the idols down using sasaeng vans. It’s not really worth it, frankly. I can literally use that money for my education rather than wasting those precious money to stalk the idols everyday.

    This sasaeng thing is a pure madness, my god! >:|

    These kind of things that sasaeng fans did can be included in the list of why K-Pop image is getting worse from time to time. K-Pop fandoms has the worst fans, compared to other fandoms (unrelated to K-Pop). I know that some fans are nice and have great self-control, but it’s just hard to differentiate between sasaeng fans and normal fans.

  • muggle87

    i get your picture it scenario but tbh that is no excuse. Let me tell u one of my celeb encounters. I was walking down the streets of new york (i was on vacation) and just a few feet from me, was Brad Pitt. I am huge fan of his and it wouldn’t have take more than 3 minutes to be face to face with brad pitt. 

    Did I chase him down? No. U know why? Cause I am got self-control. Yes, I am fan of brad pitt and yes, it was super freaking cool that I got to see him but it doesn’t give me the right to chase him down like lunatic.Celeb got rights like every other human in this planet, and they shouldn’t have to put up with a fan acting like lunatic just cause they bought their movies/cds/dramas etc.

    Now I really wish that companies would take the VIP route more often or hire more security. What I don’t get is how SM (they are the one i hear the most about this type of stuff), a big company like that can’t get a good security to protect their idols? It seem to me, all they can afford is the manager they assign to the group. Srsly.

    I know it can be done cause I have seen other artist take the vip route or have good security whenever they have to take the walk of horror in the airport.

    I fear one of these days, an idol is going to get serious hurt by those fans…i think poor luhan might be the first… i remember the fancam where he barely made out of the crazy mob.

  • muggle87

    i get your picture it scenario but tbh that is no excuse. Let me tell u one of my celeb encounters. I was walking down the streets of new york (i was on vacation) and just a few feet from me, was Brad Pitt. I am huge fan of his and it wouldn’t have take more than 3 minutes to be face to face with brad pitt. 

    Did I chase him down? No. U know why? Cause I am got self-control. Yes, I am fan of brad pitt and yes, it was super freaking cool that I got to see him but it doesn’t give me the right to chase him down like lunatic.Celeb got rights like every other human in this planet, and they shouldn’t have to put up with a fan acting like lunatic just cause they bought their movies/cds/dramas etc.

    Now I really wish that companies would take the VIP route more often or hire more security. What I don’t get is how SM (they are the one i hear the most about this type of stuff), a big company like that can’t get a good security to protect their idols? It seem to me, all they can afford is the manager they assign to the group. Srsly.

    I know it can be done cause I have seen other artist take the vip route or have good security whenever they have to take the walk of horror in the airport.

    I fear one of these days, an idol is going to get serious hurt by those fans…i think poor luhan might be the first… i remember the fancam where he barely made out of the crazy mob.

    • illerz

      Once an artist makes a debut I think sm wants to stop spending on what they think of as luxuries and just make as much profits as possible. Security cost money after all. And I don’t understand how fans don’t have a HEART when celebs are on vacation. I mean its a vacation from people LIKE THEM. And they still don’t have enough sense to stay back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

    “Be it attendance at an event, a photo together or even a face-to-face meet, you can literally lose it — *OMG, we’re breathing the same air*”

    That level of fanaticism is frightening. 

    Still, you can’t create idolatry and then expect the crowd to react like angels. Because of that, it is very much squarely on the shoulders of the companies to ensure, working very closely with event planners and arena personnel, to create an effective blueprint for proper security at a given venue, along with necessary escape points and awareness of ALL entrances and exits, as well as traffic flow through said entrances and exits. All of this stuff can be done with proper collaborative planning and research. Judging by the sheer volume of mishaps in Kpop events, I’m guessing this isn’t done enough with regards to companies working closely with those involved in housing the convention or concert. If I had to guess, mingling between Kpop company and event personnel is probably minimal — which would explain the misunderstandings that are often seen with these types of events (such as the miscommunication between company and event promoter that talents like Rain had to contend with).

    From the outside looking in, it appears companies bring their talent to the venue, but don’t put in the extra homework time it takes to learn important details about the event, as well as how traffic flows through the venue. 

    Also, insisting on taking a public ferry? Our higher brass had detailed routes and schemes to avoid crowds, and they weren’t close to idol entertainers with thousands of fanatical fans. Their security must have been pissed when they found out that SNSD was going to be taking a public ferry, most likely at the insistence of the promoter and/or PR talking head. That is just a bonehead move.

    • illerz

       Not angels, but human beings with common sense and decency is expected which should be enough for them to know how to act properly and not endanger other people. And I so agree about the companies, they need to stop thinking this is a way to make profit and start thinking about protecting the talent as well. Do a better job, actually doing their jobs would be nice.

  • Chocho268

    Wow, the video of the SM manager hitting a fan was quite shocking. The actions of the manager were inexcusable but I can see why he hit her. It wouldn’t hurt if the fans learned some manners.

    I swear, idols must be zen masters in disguise or else I really can’t understand how in the world they put up with such shockingly unabashed and psycho fans who don’t think twice before pushing their goodamn cameras into the idol’s faces and acting like savages with a barely functioning brain.

    I sometimes feel really sorry for idols. :S

  • Black_Plague

    I frankly don’t blame the managers for anything and a lot of people here have made enough points about the issue.

    As with others, what truly bugs me is that why these companies don’t bother utilizing more security. I mean, if airport or arena security isn’t enough, it doesn’t hurt to hire private security companies for the job. Managers are for managing – not as riot cops. If I wanted someone for protection against a rabid out-of-control crowd, I’d hire someone who’s trained and experienced to diffuse such things quickly and efficiently - preferably of former law enforcement or even military background. Why airports even allow such crowds fill up its spaces in the first place to begin with is beyond me. Come on, airports are highly busy places.  

    This also goes to say that such security is highly needed for countering against sasaeng fans as well. I don’t care if these sasaeng fans are minors or not – they’re committing crimes and need to be sent to mental institutions at the very least.

    God, at this point, I think it’d be more secure if the locations idols went had riot police with them >__> I understand people may not be at their most rational state upon laying eyes on the celebrities they’re fans of but come on, it’s not THAT hard to have some decency and manners.

    This all reminds me of the horror movie ‘White’ from 2011, where the film touches on the more sickly sides of the showbizz and it made no hesitation to show such behavior expected from crazy fan crowds either.

  • Black_Plague

    I frankly don’t blame the managers for anything and a lot of people here have made enough points about the issue.

    As with others, what truly bugs me is that why these companies don’t bother utilizing more security. I mean, if airport or arena security isn’t enough, it doesn’t hurt to hire private security companies for the job. Managers are for managing – not as riot cops. If I wanted someone for protection against a rabid out-of-control crowd, I’d hire someone who’s trained and experienced to diffuse such things quickly and efficiently - preferably of former law enforcement or even military background. Why airports even allow such crowds fill up its spaces in the first place to begin with is beyond me. Come on, airports are highly busy places.  

    This also goes to say that such security is highly needed for countering against sasaeng fans as well. I don’t care if these sasaeng fans are minors or not – they’re committing crimes and need to be sent to mental institutions at the very least.

    God, at this point, I think it’d be more secure if the locations idols went had riot police with them >__> I understand people may not be at their most rational state upon laying eyes on the celebrities they’re fans of but come on, it’s not THAT hard to have some decency and manners.

    This all reminds me of the horror movie ‘White’ from 2011, where the film touches on the more sickly sides of the showbizz and it made no hesitation to show such behavior expected from crazy fan crowds either.

  • Black_Plague

    I frankly don’t blame the managers for anything and a lot of people here have made enough points about the issue.

    As with others, what truly bugs me is that why these companies don’t bother utilizing more security. I mean, if airport or arena security isn’t enough, it doesn’t hurt to hire private security companies for the job. Managers are for managing – not as riot cops. If I wanted someone for protection against a rabid out-of-control crowd, I’d hire someone who’s trained and experienced to diffuse such things quickly and efficiently - preferably of former law enforcement or even military background. Why airports even allow such crowds fill up its spaces in the first place to begin with is beyond me. Come on, airports are highly busy places.  

    This also goes to say that such security is highly needed for countering against sasaeng fans as well. I don’t care if these sasaeng fans are minors or not – they’re committing crimes and need to be sent to mental institutions at the very least.

    God, at this point, I think it’d be more secure if the locations idols went had riot police with them >__> I understand people may not be at their most rational state upon laying eyes on the celebrities they’re fans of but come on, it’s not THAT hard to have some decency and manners.

    This all reminds me of the horror movie ‘White’ from 2011, where the film touches on the more sickly sides of the showbizz and it made no hesitation to show such behavior expected from crazy fan crowds either.

  • Bstar5

    Frankly I doubt this airport behavior will stop because the agencies want it to happen.  They could easily take the VIP route but they want the media attention this brings to their groups and their company even if their artists get hurt in the process.  Frankly I don’t even know how this fan behavior even happens at an airport.  Most of these airports make you jump through so many hoops going through security just to get to your gate yet they allow fans to run rampant like this?  Boggles the mind.

    • http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

       I had always wondered about that. In the USA fans would all have to buy a ticket to be allowed onto the airport, and even then I’m sure security would break up large groups of people that were just hanging around for a long time. I just assumed that other countries didn’t have as much security as the US airports do.

    • illerz

      Exactly it makes their talent look larger and more popular and more loved. Of course the company won’t do anything to deter that kind of thing. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002780664624 Jolly Roger

    SNSD are too big to be protected by damned scrawny Korean managers. Hire some  6’5″ 275 lb. U.S. Marine veterans. That will deter nutjobs and give them some real protection.

  • TheJadeBullet

    I admire these idols for being able to stay relatively sane in situations like these. I’d probably react in a worse manner than the managers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1600998637 Sylvia M. Mvd

    TBH, it did happen to me behaving quite wildly in front of an Idol. and it’s really not my type.

    A year ago, thee was a K-culture event in Paris and I went with my best friends and Secret were featured as embassadors. I’m not even a fan really, I just really loved Sunhwa from variety shows and found her oh so pretty and kind and until the very last minute she would appear I was very fine and had the control of myself. They went on stage to greet the fans and I was standing aside from the crowd and then they got down and no bodyguard was protecting them so I got close to Sunhwa and she smiled at me and I kind of panicked and grabed her arm…

    I could see that I had scared her so I apologized in korean and she said it’s okay and kept smiling but I was very ashamed of myself and so sorry to her after that..

    After it happened to me I think the fans are to blame but not as fans, but as human beings being manipulated into average folks who happen to catch a glimpse of the sun for the one time in their life…this can be both marketing effect or simply a lack of judgements from the fans…

    Not sure if any of these statements make sens lol

  • Steph

    The Manager Incident- I’m sorry if this may offend but if this was done in America and such evidence existed- they would’ve been fired on the spot & probably sued) -.- an apology does not count