• http://twitter.com/FollowOmoyono OMOYONO

    i was wondering, somewhere i heard that the whole white skin south east Asian equals beautiful was because back in time, darker skin meant you were a labor worker, poor and working in the suns heat and if you were light skinned it meant you were rich and didn’t do labor work, i heard this somewhere and was wondering if its true??? 

    • http://twitter.com/wfaith122603 WFaith122603

      This is true~ That’s why asians invest so much into making their skin “milky-white” because it also signifies you have the money and resources to have fair skin >.<

    • http://twitter.com/wfaith122603 WFaith122603

      This is true~ That’s why asians invest so much into making their skin “milky-white” because it also signifies you have the money and resources to have fair skin >.<

  • Marley

    I totally agree with you. K-pop idols NEED to be more sensitive with what they say. A lot of them don’t seem to realize that they are now appealing to a GLOBAL audience.

  • Ohai Saelis

    I’m late to the party. K-pop idols DO need to be more sensitive with what they say. As a huuuge fan of Taemin, I too was disappointed at that level of ignorance. I don’t think he was malicious… It was probably one of those, “Uhhh… I can’t think of anything! You’re too dark, Kai!” Taemin himself was pretty tanned at some points, and Jonghyun, his fellow member of Shinee, is a bronze god. I think the emphasis on Kai’s tan made Taemin come up with that in the spur of the moment, though he really should’ve been more mindful of the global audience. As much as I love Taemin, even his hyungs have stated that he’s the most ignorant of the lot. The boy still has some growing up to do.

    I do wonder, however, what the reaction might’ve been if someone had said Sehun was too pale or something to that extent. As an Asian who was born with a tan, I’ve had people making comments about my skin all my life. I’m Eurasian, and I know fellow Eurasians who would have a fit if someone asked if they were Indian or Malay, which are races that generally have darker skin. Eurasians themselves tend to be a pretty racist bunch, unfortunately; almost everyone I know of my race seems to think that they’re somehow to superior because they have Caucasian roots.

    Then again, if someone accused someone else of being as white as a sheet – and I work in the gaming industry, so we get people telling each other that they’re pasty faced basement dwellers a lot – it never really boils down to an issue of racism or colourism. Is it because, in general, the minority groups (in this case, us dark skinned folks) are allowed to insult whiteness, while the ‘privileged’ majority, the whiter bunch, are called out for picking on us for our skin colour?

    At the end of the day I think there needs to be an acceptance from both sides of the coin. Ignorance from either side is still ignorance. That being said, I love Kai all the more after seeing all this. I feel for him, being constantly put down for his appearance when it’s not something he can control and certainly not a fault.

    Someone mentioned in another comment that he was indirectly insulting the audience in the video for Channel V, by saying that they’re dark skinned like him. That would only be an insult if you consider being called dark skinned an insult to begin with. I think what Kai wanted to point out was that to treat his dark skin as a fault is to insult their fans who shared his skin colour. I loved how he put it across, saying it was like looking at himself, like family. I think that he, of all people, is aware of how the things they say and do have an impact on the audience, and I am extremely impressed by that.

  • Ohai Saelis

    I’m late to the party. K-pop idols DO need to be more sensitive with what they say. As a huuuge fan of Taemin, I too was disappointed at that level of ignorance. I don’t think he was malicious… It was probably one of those, “Uhhh… I can’t think of anything! You’re too dark, Kai!” Taemin himself was pretty tanned at some points, and Jonghyun, his fellow member of Shinee, is a bronze god. I think the emphasis on Kai’s tan made Taemin come up with that in the spur of the moment, though he really should’ve been more mindful of the global audience. As much as I love Taemin, even his hyungs have stated that he’s the most ignorant of the lot. The boy still has some growing up to do.

    I do wonder, however, what the reaction might’ve been if someone had said Sehun was too pale or something to that extent. As an Asian who was born with a tan, I’ve had people making comments about my skin all my life. I’m Eurasian, and I know fellow Eurasians who would have a fit if someone asked if they were Indian or Malay, which are races that generally have darker skin. Eurasians themselves tend to be a pretty racist bunch, unfortunately; almost everyone I know of my race seems to think that they’re somehow to superior because they have Caucasian roots.

    Then again, if someone accused someone else of being as white as a sheet – and I work in the gaming industry, so we get people telling each other that they’re pasty faced basement dwellers a lot – it never really boils down to an issue of racism or colourism. Is it because, in general, the minority groups (in this case, us dark skinned folks) are allowed to insult whiteness, while the ‘privileged’ majority, the whiter bunch, are called out for picking on us for our skin colour?

    At the end of the day I think there needs to be an acceptance from both sides of the coin. Ignorance from either side is still ignorance. That being said, I love Kai all the more after seeing all this. I feel for him, being constantly put down for his appearance when it’s not something he can control and certainly not a fault.

    Someone mentioned in another comment that he was indirectly insulting the audience in the video for Channel V, by saying that they’re dark skinned like him. That would only be an insult if you consider being called dark skinned an insult to begin with. I think what Kai wanted to point out was that to treat his dark skin as a fault is to insult their fans who shared his skin colour. I loved how he put it across, saying it was like looking at himself, like family. I think that he, of all people, is aware of how the things they say and do have an impact on the audience, and I am extremely impressed by that.

  • http://twitter.com/Leskig Freaky Fangirl

    Honestly it never ocurred to me even once that the nickname could be used in a “bad way” or how to say. I don’t think any fan or anyone else for that matter means any harm. And when Taemin said it was a weakness I just assumed he meant because a lot of people prefers paler skin in Asia. (That’s so stereotypical I know, sorry,it’s true though. He obviously didn’t insult his best friend and I don’t think he thought too much of it.) I mean people look in to this WAY too hard. People call Yuri dark all the time as well so cut the crap and don’t be so dramatic. I’m not super in to asian culture though so I might be wrong but this is just how I see it.

  • http://twitter.com/Leskig Freaky Fangirl

    And just another thing I think I need to say because I feel like people interpret wrongly here is: when saying dark skin is “a weakness” or anything like that. They do NOT mean for example that black people aren’t beautiful or that their skin is less worth (can’t find the exact words I’m looking for, sorry, my english is bad.) but simply that when it comes to asians, paler skin is stereotypically preferred. (Some actor even explained that years ago on some talk show.) But yeah I guess there is someone is secretly racist in this industry too. Just note that what I said above goes for most cases.

  • http://twitter.com/Leskig Freaky Fangirl

    Woah this text gets really annoying after a while and the perspect you’re taking…you come off quite ignorant yourself but I’ll leave it at that…

  • hana amyka

    well not every asian are born with milky skin,i’m even darker than kai,and yeah i feel slightly offended,y’know do not judge a book by it’s cover and i’m gonna say do not judge a person by its skin.

  • Akosua Boffour

    ”Don’t we all single out our friends for their own quirks or defining characteristics and sometimes make inside jokes about them?”

    well I sure the hell don’t O_O

  • SilverHallow

    I don’t know if he was annoyed because his skin is brought up so much, but I also remember multiple times when he was called ‘sexy’ in direct relation to his skin tone. And look at Hwangbo. She must have heard the words ‘At first I thought you were from India’ (i vaguely remember hyungjoong saying something like that during WGM) more than once, but she still also has a sexy image. So.. I kinda thought that atleast a relevant number of people in Korea thought that darker skin was sexy.

    I honestly actually didn’t notice him being darker at all, and I still see hardly any difference now. It’s more like how I have my dad’s skin, which is naturally (by that I mean with no influence of the sun involved) just slightly paler than my mom’s skin. But that doesn’t mean my mom has dark skin, she is pale too. I used to get laughed at by people at my school because no matter how much time I spent in the sun, I still didn’t get a tan.

    I’m sure that there are plenty of people in Korea who do like darker skin, just like there are people here where I live who don’t think it’s a lack in beauty if you can’t get a tan. Beauty standards exist in every culture, but that doesn’t mean that everyone who grows up in a certain culture also shares that specific ideal of what is beautiful.

    For me personally, I don’t give a damn about what colour someone’s skin is. Especially not Kai’s. When he is up on that stage, his skin tone is probably one of the last things on my mind.

    Anyway, to sum things up: who cares if his skin is darker or not? Who cares what other people think, to me he’s damn sexy no mater what colour his skin is. He could be blue for all I care. It’s not like he’d be any better looking if he was just a little paler. His skin tone is his, and it adds to his charms, just like Taemin’s pale skin adds to his. I just hope that Kai doesn’t feel insecure because of what other people say.

    (Oh, and before I forget: Taemin and Kai are friends, people. If Taemin had thought his comment would hurt Kai, he wouldn’t have said it. And I’m also pretty sure he didn’t mean to offend fans over the world. I don’t think he even made the connection between them and the beauty standards he grew up with. With so many people around the world, all looking so different, there’s really no point in holding people from the other side of the world to the beauty standards that apply to just that small piece of earth that you live on yoruself. Of course it was a thoughtless thing to say, but so what if he said something wrong, have you never? He’s only human. The only difference is that his stupidities can and will be viewed by who knows how many people all over the world. Excuse him for screwing up once or twice. I’m just happy hardly anyone hears the stupid things I say.)

  • Quenna lacy

    I’m a big Kai and Taemin fan and when I read that he said this I was disappointed. I don’t think he’s racist but it was an ignorant thing to say. Sigh~ I love Kai’s slightly darker skin and I find nothing wrong with it. Whats annoying is that they cover his skin up with BB Cream… I also don’t find his nickname amusing. Never have. Disappointing :/

  • haruharuharu

    wow.. I see jong-in in a new light! I hope he can come to peace and accept his beautiful skin! THEIR JUST JEALOUS OF YOUR SKIN KAI LOL !! i wonder how korea takes 2pm and other tanned idols then o-o

  • http://bear-says-hey.tumblr.com/ Devi

    Bottom line is, know your audience. They should know better than to cite something like this while knowing they have a diverse fanbase. Even if they weren’t internationally famous, even if they were only big in SK, as idols it’s an obligation for them to be progressive in terms of social attitude, or at least mindful, because of the influence they have. Having a famous person who is dark by certain standards should show that skin color and appearance isn’t all that important. Because it’s really not, and it’s clear that they know it’s not–it’s not an issue of malice here, but a matter of presentation.

  • joonoppa

    I can’t see how it’s okay thay EXO says it, but not Taemin? Taemin and Jongin are best friends since before EXOs debut.

  • nachi

    I guess I might be completely delusional or something as a shinee fan but I’m also an eco fan and I don’t think Taemin meant anything particularly harmful about it at all really. They have been friends for quite awhile so I imagine it wouldn’t be strange for Taemin to use the joke either. Also with the fact that both of them were grinning and Kai has also called Taemin dark (in a joking manner. They said when they first saw each other Kai thought Taemin was Usher and Taemin said he thought Kai was african I think). So I don’t understand why so many fans would hate on Taemin for this as you said? I don’t know, I didn’t hear about any hate on Taemin so…

  • Sassy pantaloons

    It was the same with Yuri in SNSD. Her nickname was Black Pearl, because she was the darkest…and she embraced the nickname

  • CloudieSky27

    I’m not saying that it wasn’t wrong of Taemin to say it the way he did, but I think it’s important to consider other similar talks that they’ve had. Both Taemin and Kai have joked around about skin color various times, such as when Taemin called Kai for the speed quiz on Sukira. When they were asked what they thought of each other when they met, Taemin said he thought Kai was South American and Kai said he thought that Taemin was Usher, who as we know, is a quite tan. I don’t think they were being very serious during the interview, since the two are constantly teasing each other and trying to beat the other in terms of comebacks. Although it was a very careless thing to say, and I don’t think he should have said it, I don’t think Taemin meant it in an offensive way.