• severely

    I hate that title. Harisu isn’t “more beautiful than a woman.” She’s a beautiful woman, period. And yes, I did read the article, so I know it’s a title that some ambiguous person has given her previously, but just because someone else is tactless doesn’t mean you have to be.

    I know the title was probably just meant to generate traffic, but have some class.

    • palebluedot13

      agreed i was put off by it. it made me want to not even read the article because it separates her from women when she is one. she’s not in some separate class

      and i think this article tried to address issues but failed.  idk why the author is comparing the struggle of gays to transgender people. it’s two completely different categories. heck a transgender person can be gay!

  • http://twitter.com/ericyumyum ericyumyum

    I’m happy that things are successful for her. I would love to see more LGBT friendly activities and support going on in the kpop world. Honestly like YG or JYP need to form a an all gay male group, they’ll be successful. Girls Generation and 2NE1 have a big gay following. They always play kpop at the gay clubs in West Hollywood here. 

    • Clearlife

      If YG or JYP (or any other company) formed an all gay male group… Holy Hell. Could you imagine the amount of hate they would get. I’m sure they would get accepted in other countries (well more accepted, still probably some hate in other countries too) but is that really enough? I mean I have a feeling people would be concentrating about them being gay than being talented. They’ll make a big impact, but successful… that’s really really hard to say. Companies have to make an investment on these talents, they have to make sure they get profit, I don’t think they’re ready to make this move yet (or ever). Korea is still very conservative. 
      I’m sure if a famous idol group member (just one member) came out, that would be one big step but the possibility for chaos is high. Fan girls would go berserk. 
      But I suppose if Korea would ever completely accept homosexuality, then this step has to be taken. A good first step (but still possible issues can arise) would be famous idol groups supporting gay rights. (I actually haven’t seen any idol groups support it). 

      Still that’s a scary thought, a whole band of gay guys. I don’t think I’d be able to handle the bible talk in the forums or the arguments in the comment section. The only positive thing I see in making an all gay group would be it encourages people to come out and accept themselves and start spreading awareness (and still there is going to be major problems) 

      • Pedro

        Actually Boa performed on the gay pride parade in San Francisco.

    • destined2bebossy

      That’d be interesting to see but to make a group simply because they are all gay is sort….. stupid? to me. Thats like that group who was put together solely cause they had big boobs.

      But wasn’t their a GG that was made of transgender women once?

      • Clearlife

        Yeah I could imagine even non-homophobic people complain that they’re getting attention just because they are gay. 

        And yes there was a girl group made up of post ops. Think the band is called Lady. And they disbanded because they weren’t that popular (or accepted)

  • straighttohelvetica

    I think Harisu was more accepted BECAUSE of Korea’s patriarchy, not despite it. She’s not a threat to the system. Look at her; she’s very, very pretty, but doesn’t express her sexuality in an overt or intimidating way. As you mentioned, the majority of her time in the entertainment industry has been as a woman, and so for the most part, that’s how audiences know her. She’s married and strives for the Confucian ideal of “good wife, wise mother.” Yes, she may have been born biologically male, but as a woman, she has submitted to what Korean society expects of women.

    Hong Seok-cheon, however, goes against that. There are numerous connections between homophobia and misogyny. Seok-cheon’s sexuality goes against generations of tradition that expects a male to marry, become the head of his household and “rule” over his wife and children. By willingly entering relationships with other men, gay men are viewed as putting themselves in the role of women. And for a society built on the emulation of the dominant and powerful male versus a weak and submissive female, the idea of a man “lowering” himself by allowing himself to be romanced or taken by another man is disgusting. Because no man should want to be put in the position of a woman because women are less than men. (I’d just like to clarify those are NOT my views.) There’s also the fear of being viewed with sexual interest by gay men. One of the most commonly used arguments by proponents of hate crimes against gay men is the “gay panic defense,” or basically that the perpetrator reacted in rage and violence after allegedly being hit on by another man. Yet, women commonly have to deal with unwanted sexual advances from cat-calls to rape and are not allowed the same defense (for example, domestic abuse survivors in jail after assaulting their usually male abusers.) Clearly, being sexually objectified is expected of women because that’s how a predominately heterosexual male society views them. 

    Seok-cheon bucks all that. What’s worse for him, is that he strives for equality for LGBT. The more he and his sexuality is accepted, the more he accomplishes for LGBT in Korea, the more the patriarchal system gets worn away. He’s a threat, and conservative forces in Korea will react to him with much more hostility and aggression than Harisu.

    • http://www.michelle-chin.com/ Michelle Chin

      This is an interesting way of putting things. I am also more convinced with your perspective. :)

    • Lyn Prince

      You have the right of it.

      Tony Hong and Gay men are a threat because of Korea’s society where men are higher status of women. They are a threat to the strict role males and females are supposed to have in Korea. It is the same everywhere where there is a strict male dominated culture. 

  • http://twitter.com/jjzappel jjzappel

    i want to see his face b4 PS…

    • Triinu

      If you are talking about Harisu, then say “her face”.

  • Triinu

    “Transgender” is an adjective, so I don’t think the author’s use of it as a noun (e.g. “Yes, she’s a transgender.”) is correct. If someone more knowledgeable on the matter of transgender issues can tell me otherwise, though, then please do correct me. 

    • Niveau

      Yay, I wasn’t the only one to notice! Nouning-the-adjective places the category above the person. “Transwoman” or “transgender woman” would be a better choice.

    • http://www.facebook.com/asha.bradford Asha Bradford

      It has nothing to do with transgender issues, it’s about English grammar only. “A transgender” is wrong, you’re right about that.

      • Triinu

        Well, it also depends on how the group of people we are referring to feel about it. But I mainly mentioned it because of the grammar anyway. 

  • black_rose45000

    Yep, she is really beautiful. What upsets me is that these two people are probably talented (yes? no? I haven’t watched Seokcheon’s acting nor heard Harisu sing) and quite fun, interesting and remarkable persons, that S.K. must’ve missed a lot by turning their heads away because they were…different from what they wanted them to be.

    Well, at least it’s good to know that Harisu had things easier for her. But Seokcheon’s story was heartbreaking, as I remember him telling it on Strong Heart :(((

    • Riley

      Well Harisu isn’t really that good…

  • rocketeer712

    it will only be a matter of time until we hear about Jo Kwon..

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729154428 Chastina Li

      Wow, it would be scary if that actually happens. But as of now, I think Jo Kwon’s character as the feminine male sells better.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1240283540 Jenna Nelson

      It is definitly only a matter of time until an idol finaly decides to come out or is outed (as was the case with Hong Seok cheon). The thing is, a matter of time could be next month or ten years depending on how Korea’s feelings on homosexuality change(or don’t change) in the future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729154428 Chastina Li

    I remembered watching a video of her being introduced to B1A4, I don’t know if I was influenced by the embarrassed boys or there is really something awkward going on at the set but I felt uncomfortable watching that video even though I didn’t know who he was.  

    • palebluedot13

      she is a women. please address her as such

  • Triinu

    One of the problems with this “more beautiful than a woman” rhetoric is that it subtly creates and perpetuates the idea that a trans woman is only allowed to come out and live her life in the open if she conforms to conventional beauty standards. If she fails to be beautiful or convincing enough to the general public, she is somehow deemed less worthy, less of a woman, not the real deal. As if being beautiful somehow validates her gender identity to the rest of the world. 

    (Note again: cisgender woman talking here. Call me out if I mess up.)

  • Euffie

    I really hate the “more beautiful than a woman” phrase. there are ugly men and ugly women, but to compare a person who’s undergone a significant amount of surgery to change their appearance to an average woman who has not been able to do that seems unfair. Women have a hard enough time looking to celebrities that have had a few tweaks, how are they supposed to feel about themselves confronted with a male who has had much more work done and then is proclaimed to be more beautiful than they are naturally? It’s ridiculous to even compare the two. We would all be beautiful if we had large amounts of surgery.