Socio-Cultural
120115_seoulbeats_snsd_genie

What K-pop Can Teach Us About The ROK Military

33

It isn’t often that K-pop makes headlines in major American news publications.  For as much proverbial ink is spilled on an uncountable number of fan sites and platforms for social media sharing (Seoulbeats included), K-pop has largely remained outside of the academic realm; as far as I know, there hasn’t been much effort on behalf of the Western media to explain or tie K-pop into larger cultural and societal phenomena in South Korea at large.  So you can imagine my surprise when a friend passed along to me an article on South Korea’s mandatory military service and its relation to (surprise!) K-pop that recently appeared in The Atlantic.

The video that spurred the article was one of a holiday performance that SNSD gave at a military base last month, one that was apparently noteworthy not because of the performance itself, but because of the soldiers’ reaction to SNSD.  The original video referred to in the article has been taken down due to copyright claims by MBC, but I found another clip from the same show which is featured above.  As you can see for yourself the video featured excessive screaming, floor pounding, jumping up and down, and a few young men who looked like they were about to faint from excitement.  In other words, a completely standard response to seeing SNSD in person.  I won’t pretend that I didn’t do almost the exact same thing at SM Town Live in New York last October.

But according to the author of the article, such a feverish, frenzied display of emotion is foreign to the American eye and indicative of a “military culture far different from our own.”  He goes on to say:

When I sent the video to Scott Snyder, a Korea expert at the Council on Foreign Relations, he said it was “almost exactly what I was expecting to see.” He encountered one of these “how should we put it, community-based responses” on his first trip to South Korea in 1987, at a university pep rally. “Korea is a more collective-oriented society than the U.S.,” he explained, and that collectivism can be a real asset for young men forced into service and dealing with “the experience of collective loneliness.”

Now, I make no claims to be a Korea expert (and I’m certainly not employed by the Council on Foreign Relations), but this strikes me as a complete and utter cop-out.  Chalking up differences between an Asian country and the West to collectivism vs. individualism is tired, oversimplified, and, quite frankly, indicative of lazy scholarship.  More to the point, isn’t the American military (I’d even go as far as to say nearly every military) based largely on the idea of putting the collective before the individual?

But my real problem with this piece isn’t that it boils cultural differences between South Korea and the US down to an overused trope — it is that The Atlantic had a real opportunity here to use K-pop in order to delve into some of the issues currently plaguing South Korea’s military culture today, and instead, they opted to essentially throw their hands up and say, “Those crazy Koreans!  Never will quite understand ‘em, eh?”

What am I talking about?  Well, for one, let’s consider that these soldiers’ over-the-top reactions to seeing nine sexified and scantily clad young women singing, “Oppa, sarang-hae!” are likely not born out of their need to collectively respond to something, but out of their desperate desire to see a woman, ANY woman, while they are stuck living in barracks for two years.  This has nothing to do with collectivism or individualism, Korean culture or American culture; the hormonal young man is universal.  As the author of the article himself points out, American soldiers serving during the Vietnam War fell into similarly ecstatic frenzies when they were granted the luxury of seeing a pretty woman perform for them — an idea that South Korean cinema expressed in the movie My Lover is Far Away, starring actress Soo-ae as an entertainer for both American and Korean troops in Vietnam.  Additionally, does anyone remember Christina Aguilera‘s music video for “Candyman“?  The idea of soldiers going crazy at the sight of a woman (or women) is certainly not a new one or one that the modern American cannot comprehend.

But The Atlantic fails to mention a crucial similarity between US military of the Vietnam War era and the modern day South Korean military , which also indicates a crucial difference between the two today: both are male-dominated forces.  Though the US military has evolved and currently has thousands of women serving across the world, the South Korean military relies on the draft and only conscripts men.  There are therefore comparatively few women soldiers.  Most South Korean soldiers spend the entire duration of their service surrounded by nothing but men on bases that may not be even remotely close to civilization.  Add to this the fact that the majority of conscripts are virile young men in the prime of their youth.  Now put SNSD in front of them.  What on earth do you expect?  I would have been more surprised had they not reacted as they did.

Where does K-pop fit into all of this?  I’d argue that K-pop is a solid indicator of gender equality not only in Korean society at large, but in the military.  Imagine how soldiers might have reacted had it been Super Junior or TVXQ on stage instead of SNSD.  With the exception of soldiers whose sexual preference tends towards men, I doubt there would have been as much fist-pumping and ground-pounding.  While I can’t be sure, I’d be willing to bet that boy groups rarely, if ever, perform for the troops  – and that girl groups do so on many occasions.  It might be a stretch, but it seems to me that the fact that the entertaining of troops falls almost entirely to girl groups highlights the fact that South Korea’s military has yet to devise a system that allows for somewhat equitable female participation —  which in turn highlights the fact that women do not serve in the military, a point that has often been used as an excuse for South Korea’s abysmal gender equality gap (one of the worst in the OECD).  Though strides have been made (Sookmyung Women’s University recently inaugurated an ROTC program), South Korea’s military is nowhere near reaching the level of female participation that the US army currently exhibits.  Not that I am terribly in favor of conscripting women into the army alongside men; in fact, I have no policy prescriptions to offer.  But how gender equality relates to South Korea’s current system of conscription is certainly something to think about.

Let’s take it a step further: what if SNSD performed for the troops, but the troops were comprised of both men and women?  Would we see such an extreme reaction?  Would there be the possibility of having male pop groups perform as well?  These are difficult and interesting questions upon which to speculate.

The Atlantic had a chance to raise these issues of gender and equality, but in my opinion, they took the easy way out and slapped the whole thing with the blanket label of “cultural difference.”  But rather than demonstrate to me the importance of collectivity in Asian societies, the soldiers’ reaction to SNSD proves to me that sometimes, even if the occasion is rare (and I don’t think it is), K-pop provides us with an open door to discuss societal issues of real import.  Let us hope that it inspires healthy debate and positive change.

(The Atlantic, NaverThe Grand NarrativeROK Drop)

Related Posts

  • Anonymous

    You may not be employed by the Council on Foreign Relations, but your analysis and questioning are spot on. 

    On a slightly different note, I’ve always wondered about the military system in South Korea. I have a Korean friend who spent a lot of time in America pursuing his dreams of dancing (he did some back up dancing for Miss A and 2NE1), and then he recently had to go back to Korea for the military. While it seems that K-pop artists portray this sense of pride for doing their two years, my friend had the total opposite reaction to it. He felt like he was going to prison. 

    I think it’s a fascinating topic with so many different layers. It’s a shame The Atlantic didn’t go more into depth about it. 

    • maldita

      I have a friend who had the same reaction to military service just like
      your friend’s. He and his family permanently moved here in the Philippines when he was a toddler, only coming back to Korea once in a while to visit relatives, and
      was already halfway through college here when he got his enlistment
      notice. He dreaded having to go back to Korea, as he hardly had any emotional attachment to a country he didn’t even grow up in. He just got
      back a few months ago, and he hardly ever talks about his time
      there.

      • Anonymous

        Wow, that is sad :(

      • http://twitter.com/Bbunni1986 Rose BB

        Only Korean male citizens are conscripted. Citizens of another country but of Korean ethnicity don’t get conscripted. I guess your friend still had his original citizenship. :(

        But imagine an American-born American citizen of Korean ethnicity who all of a sudden gets a notice from the SK army that he has to serve. That’ll suck even worse. That’s the story of my cousin’s best friend. Something about how he was listed as a Korean citizen cuz he was born from Korean citizens.

  • maldita

    I honestly think is SNSD performed for troops that have a significant amount of female soldiers, the reaction would probably still be the same. Last I heard, SNSD’s fanbase is not as male-dominated as one would think. They have almost as much fangirls as they have fanboys. And besides, imagine being so far away from home and normal society for 2 years, and then BAM! Out of nowhere, SNSD, the most popular pop group in the country, comes walking past you and up in front on stage. If I was there, I’d have screamed like a crazed fan even if I’m not really a fan. It’s the like SNSD is their link to and represents what their lives used to be and will be when they finish their 2 years of service.

    I remember DBSK joking that every time they performed for the troops, they’d wish their company would’ve sent in BoA or SNSD instead. :)

  • Xenia

    If I’m not mistaken, both men and women in US are serving in the army according to their own free will to have a military career in a professional army. And in SK besides professional army there is a mandatory service. For MALE citizens. And they are those guys who are shown on TV clapping to SNSD.

    How the hell are you even starting to compare gender equality (at least in numbers) in army of a country, where obviously there are more men than women? What is your suggestion – to make two years in baracks obligatory for girls from 18 to 30 too? Oh, my bad, stupid question. I will probably get at least a couple of comments about how both genders should do the things equally, from serving in the army to breastfeeding.

    I usually consider SB articles debatable but mostly quite smart. But this one was a huge disappointment.

    • Dana D’Amelio

      Xenia, thank you for your comment, but it seems to me as if you are seeing only what you want to see.  I very clearly stated that I have no policy prescriptions to offer – and that I am not in favor of conscripting women into the army.  Gender equality is a sticky topic – the only thing I suggested was that the Atlantic could have used this opportunity to engage with some of these issues instead of glossing over them and attributing them to cultural difference.  This article was in no way one in favor of drafting women into the military.

      And you are right that the differences between a conscript and volunteer army are immense.  I had originally written about these, but this is an article on Seoulbeats and not my master’s thesis.  Not everything can make the cut.

    • Nan

      There is obviously gender equality in South Korea, some of which probably stems from mandatory military service for males. And yeah, one of the ways to correct this is conscription for both genders. The army is so much more than just combat roles, as there are plenty of desk jobs as secretaries, programmers, and other roles. Or there could be some sort of national service for everyone which may or may not mean the army. Israel already has conscription for both genders, so there is a precedent. 

      • Xenia

        I live in a country where there is mandatory military service for one year for male citizens. I’m a female and I don’t see it necessary for myself to be obliged to serve. First – it’s enough of guys to fill all the positions (in normal circumstances). Second – I, as a female, am much more valuable in questions of bringing life to the next generation of citizens. Btw, none of those guys will have to suffer giving birth and having morning sickness and so on – they may as well do something useful instead of it. Third – with the same amount of training I, a healthy female, will still never be as quick, strong and with as fast reaction as any random healthy male. And, lastly (and the most important thing for me) is the old as a history feeling living deep inside of me: that men have enough of rights as it is and like f…ck I’m going to take one of their OBLIGATIONS to make their lives easier. I have the right to serve if I want – but I don’t want – so no, thank you.

        Now, if the real war will break with my country, then, believe me, I still remember my 4 years of basic military training at school. I have a certificate of merit  for grenade throwing and I know how to assemble a Kalashnikov. My cutest, sweetest grandma (seamstress, isn’t it nice?) has a medal for shooting three Nazi soldiers during the Great Patriotic, and she never lost her sleep or appetite over it, so I know it is unlikely that I won’t be able to do the same if given a chance. But unless the enemy is at my door, I will let my husband to handle things – it’s his sacred duty after all.

  • Olivialyra

    Not to sound dumb or anything,but why does it matter that only men get to serve in the military in south korea. or the majority at least. think about it. this gives women an opening to get jobs. look at it this way. say you work in a department where the majority of men are from ages 28-30. all of those men will have to go to the military extremely soon. that would only open up more positions for more woman to work there meaning getting better pay.
     also maybe it’s how everyone around me and myself grew up but i dont find anything good about fighting in the military. maybe it’s cause im black but why would i want to defend a country like the us of a. also another thing that confuses me is the everyone compares the USA to X. and everyone use the USA as the better country. the USA, i think has a very very very long way to go before you can compare it to country that just got back on its feet about 38 years ago. america has had way more time to progress but have they? not that much. i wish people would pick a different country like canada or something.

    • idontknoe

      most men in SK enter the military after highschool, before college or finding jobs. It is the entertainers that go so late.

    • Emona

      “maybe it’s cause im black but why would i want to defend a country like the us of a”.

      I’m black, and I find that statement rather insulting and bit ignorant. Yes America has its problems, as does every nation and no nation was,is, or will ever be perfect. But since you seem to not really appreciate this country that much I assume you have plans on moving?I hope you are feverishly working on ways to leave so you can then move to another country that you think is more progressive and ultimately worth defending like canada maybe? I know I wouldn’t want to live in a country that I don’t really like if there is a better country out there.Besides there are plenty people all over the world who would love to take your spot as an American citizen. Im just saying.

  • Blah2341

    The Atlantic shouldn’t have made everything related to cultural issues, but isn’t that what Seoulbeats did about the whole homophobia thing? Saying it was all cultural related and you couldn’t judge them the same way for that.

  • emilee

    LOL Please…If you sent bunch of hot dancing cheerleading chicks to, say, the US marines afghan base, i’m sure the result would be pretty much the same….

    also, if snsd were performing for a bunch of females, i assume the reaction would still be same lol

    point being, these men have been away from society for a long time and such entertainment is quite rare and thus you see them thoroughly enjoying it…

    now, your comparison and unconnected bs about gender equality doesnt really fit in this scenario at all

    • Sarahstarr

      …isn’t Heechul supposed to be in the military? And yet he is forever posting selcas of himself on twitter. Obviously entertainment is not scarce if Heechul has enough bandwidth to be online all the time.
      Then again, he got a plum desk job due to his previous injuries, so maybe he’s not the best example. 

  • Anonymous

    Can I ask why did you decide to write this whole opinion article accusing South Korea’s gender inequality if you have “no policy prescriptions to offer”? Don’t get me wrong; I did enjoy your article. But I feel that a hypothetical solution was missing to get your point across.
    Is it that you are afraid to admit the obvious – as every woman is – that female conscription WOULD BE the ideal solution?

    Let’s be frank. Ideologically, military service should be optional, but in those specific cases where you live in a geographically dangerous zone (South Korea, Israel, Palestine…), all the reasons you have to make military service mandatory for men, they should apply to women as well. I’m pretty sure any woman would agree with me that, in case of enemy’s invasion, it would be nice to have a weapon and military training to protect ourselves against consequential rapists. And to protect our families, and our country too. Therefore, my opinion goes against Xenia’s post – unlike the popular belief, there is no law of nature that says women are unfit to use weapons and protect themselves and their country.

    Here’s the problem: Many women who currently enjoy their hard-won privileges achieved thanks to the suffragists, love to hide behind their own detrimental stereotype of the ‘weakest gender’ whenever the question reverses. It’s pathetic, and honestly, embarrassing. 

    All the patronizing reasons behind this segregation between men and women in war affairs are purely sexist hypocrisy. Because whenever the country is in deep shit, they always start drafting women into the army like the UK and the Soviets did in WWII. There is no thing a man can do in war that a woman can’t, when provided the right training and weapons. Yes, men have slightly more advantage in physical strength, but that still means shit when 95% of battles consist of long-range combats. On the other hand, it’s been proven that women have better pain endurance, and better physical resistance to most dangerous diseases. In fact, in many deadly war-related fields, we own men. So why does society keeps insisting in treating us like dolls? 

    Considering South Korea has those North Korean wackos above them, all the more reasons to start considering women as a vital strength in their defenses. Because in case of invasion, South Korea, on her own, has few chances against North Korea. There’s a reason why that tiny communist country has one of the world’s largest military armies: half of their members have vaginas. And they won’t hesitate in killing you at sight.

    There is possibly a link between South Korea’s lack of female participation in the military service and their gender pay gap, among other gender issues, but it’s definitely not a rule. Israel drafts women to the mandatory military service, but they still have major problems with gender pay gap. On the other hand, Sweden is one of the most advanced countries in terms of gender equality and fierce protection of women’s rights, and I know in that 2002 Sweden’s government asked the army to consider female conscription on the grounds of gender equality. 

    The greatest problem women in the US military service face today is also due to this late abolished gender-biased rule of male conscription: they are more likely to get raped by their male colleagues than be killed during war. This probably wouldn’t happen if the military ideology was gender equal, because not only women wouldn’t be disadvantagely outnumbered and underrepresented, the chances of getting a female sergeant as your superior would be 50/50. Of course that I’m talking about an hypothetical scenario in a country where women are protected by rights – forget Eritrea’s case.

    And this is where I go to my next point: What about the homosexuals? Why is the Korean army assuming every one of their members is straight and there is no point of inviting 2PM (I’ve been told these boys are hugely popular among the gay fanbase)? In an ideal and healthy, gender equal, gay/straight equal, sexual equal military scenario, we should be seeing both girl bands and boy bands performing for the army. The most visible indicator of gender equality deficit is when the gays are also been ‘discriminated’. Homosexual’s rights tend to parallel women’s rights. They both fight against the straight-oriented patriarchy. That’s why pop idols such as Madonna and Lady Gaga that transmit this sort of female empowerment, also tend to have a huge gay fanbase. To paraphrase Caitlin Moran, you can tell whenever the environment is culturally healthy for women if the gays enjoy it, and feel welcomed in it, too.

    So yeah, bring the boys out to perform for the army. And teach your women to use guns too. They won’t let you down.

    • Dana D’Amelio

      While I haven’t got the time at the moment to reply in full to the awesome comment you’ve written, I’d just like to reiterate that the point of my article was actually NOT to accuse South Korea of gender inequality.  Really, I only intended to highlight The Atlantic’s mistreatment of the issue.  Seoulbeats is ultimately a blog about issues in K-pop and it isn’t quite my place (or really relevant) to push one way or another for gender neutral military conscription.  Perhaps another time in another place ^^

      My point, which I stated in the last paragraph (but I guess was unclear), was that Western media treatment of issues in Korea is often poor, and I hoped to suggest a different angle of approach that might have been more relevant to the questions raised by the video.  

    • xs

      Is “every woman” afraid to admit that female conscription is a logical solution?  I’m impressed that you’ve shared minds with so many millions of people (although you missed out me).

      • Sarahstarr

        If you read the comment by Xenia below, it’s apparent that there are still some women who think their duty is to bear children and their husbands have a sacred obligation to protect them. So obviously some women are still unwilling to admit that women can and should be drafted. Or do anything other than have children, actually. SMH

    • Sarahstarr

      I’m a female who’d happily join the /Korean/ military if asked (I’m a conscientious objector to violence, and Korea hasn’t been really active in any wars…so it would work out quite nicely for someone like me who cannot take another life), but only if they stop turning a blind eye to homophobia and unequal treatment of gays in their ranks. 

    • qwerty

      i just want to point out to a lot of women that even in japan during the war, there are stories of pregnant women who took up arms to protect their home, children, and the elderly. their tenacity and strength left a huge impression on the incoming soldiers, who obviously didn’t expect too see that. well, it’s not quite a situation those soldiers would want to talk about, isn’t it?

      anyway, so if those women were able to do that, then young women in this century should at least be able to go through some sort of training… how to handle some weaponry, self-defense, close combat. just something.

      overall, two years is really a long time to be away.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, we got two totally different things from that article. I thought the author did a fairly decent job at examining the soldiers reactions beyond “cultural differences.” From what I read, he seems to have come to the conclusion that this is the reaction of men, who may or may not have wanted to join the army, getting an indulgence from civilian life, and even stated that their reactions weren’t so different from U.S. soldiers viewing the old USO shows.

    Men in S.K. have to join the army, regardless of their own personal feelings surrounding the army, they’re own maturity level, etc., and for two years they follow orders, live away from their family and constantly train. And some may no longer see the point in doing so, as one of the sources for the article stated that much of S.K. does not see North Korea as much of a threat as they once did. (This is another point at which the author notes similarities between S.K. and the U.S., as Americans are showing a growing indifference to the plight of soldiers.)

    Yes, I’m sure the fact that SNSD are attractive young women probably played a part in garnering such a strong reaction. Part of being away from home in the army means being away from a social life and having the opportunity to date. But I just can see that being the ONLY thing that elicited that reaction. SNSD are pretty, but they also weren’t what I’d call “scantily clad.” And they seemed to regress back to their cute image rather than their sexy one. They gave the soliders a moment to break away from the rigor of army life and just be guys again. 

    I’m not hating on the article; I think you raised some good points. I just think the criticism of the original article was a bit shallow and found the jump from “soldiers reaction to SNSD” to “gender inequality in the S.K. army” kind of a stretch.

  • Nan

    South Korea needs to either convert their army to volunteer army and end conscription or have both genders serve. It’s unfair to men to force them to spend 2 years of their life in the army without asking the same of women. Plus the conscription of males reinforces traditional gender roles where men are protectors and women are only there to support them. But I could understand why South Korea wouldn’t want to end conscription, considering the Korea War technically isn’t over only at a cease-fire. So I would propose, national service for both genders with people being allowed to choose where they would like to serve. It would just be the military, it could be goverment, or other options.

  • dana

    i think its not gender equality but the ‘call of hormones’ ..
    its a nature for men to elicit such expression esp on them who are really deprived of the outside world and social life… 
    lol.. even fangirls who are 24/7 in the internet spazzing over his male idol could be one crazy-screaming-almost fainting girl in front of his idol what more on these soldiers stuck up there for 2 years…

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who paid attention in their US history classes know about the popularity of the pinup girls during World War II by the conscripted American soldiers…
    Just replace the country from modern day S.Korea to WWII U.S.A and photos Yuri and IU on GI’s lockers to Betty Grable  and Ava Gardner on American soldiers foot locker during WWII…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452789711 Serra ‘Miyu’ Abak

    I don’t know… I felt like this article and k-pop tying into gender equality in the military was a HUGE stretch… SNSD wasn’t scantily-clothes (at all. the shortest thing was Jessica’s knee-length dress XD) and the response would definitely be the same if there were female soldiers (heck, even if it were all female! SNSD has a larger female fanbase that we think!) 

    Ignoring those tid-bits, sure, they haven’t seen the face of a woman, but.. isn’t this kind of reaction the same as what they get in normal life? Their concerts seem to be filled with fans screaming their lungs out from excitement even if they are not kept from females.

    Are you saying that the response of male soldiers indicate the low numbers of females in the military? That’s kind of.. a far jump there. it may have something to do with gender equality, but how many women are really going to want to join the military willingly anyways? Of COURSE there will be some, but as much as men? Probably nowhere near! 

  • Sarahstarr

    I’m a lady that likes ladies and I don’t go crazy whenever I see a particularly attractive one. Also there are dudes that like dudes in the Korean military (about 10% are, to be precise, since 10% of any given population is GLBT…and the nature of the Korean draft means those guys /are/ the general population). I really do think it has more to do with the fact that yeah, it’s a big crowd, and when we humans are in a big crowd, the lemming effect takes over. So maybe there’s a couple of straight guys who are desperate for sexy lady viewing, but I doubt that’s /all/ of them. Fans of both sexes and all sexualities scream like that at concerts /all the time/.

  • whatthefrell

    Have you submitted your comments to “The Atlantic.”
    If not, perhaps you should.
    It would be deserving a response, 
    perhaps even a follow-up report, 
    fine-tuning and correcting their original line of thinking.
    Or perhaps you should be asked, 
    or offer to submit a report of your own.
    Just saying…  

    It seems the premise of their article, 
    was very limited and extremely narrow-minded; 
    and in my opinion, I am in agreement with you, 
    collectivism had very little, 
    if anything to do with it.

  • whatthefrell

    Okay, 
    I just saw the clip, and it’s actually adorable.
    I really don’t see the difference between this, 
    and if say the Pussycat Dolls showed up at an American camp; 
    or Miranda Lambert, or Christina Aguilera, or Mariah Carey – 
    no difference at all.

    The way their faces lit up when SNSD walked into the room was awesome, 
    the way they all new the words to the song, and totally 
    snapped out of military poise, I mean they lost it, 
    and aegyo and all took over. 

    Actually, it was really sweet.

    Whoever wrote “The Atlantic” article, 
    was really reaching, and I agree, 
    was totally lazy with his “crazy Korean” approach.
    Had he really at it for what it was, 
    it might have been nice 
    to point out some of the similarities 
    between the two cultures.
    To me, the reaction was the same, 
    just in a different language, 
    and maybe with a helluva lot more love
    for their pop stars too. 

    I guess I should finish reading the article, 
    I’ve only read a few sentences, 
    but I’m already insulted. 

  • Keke

    What? I would hardly call SNSD scantily clad, only three members are showing their legs, the rest are covered from head to toe…their clothes are something anyone would wear, it’s disrespectful to say they’re “scantily clad.”

    In terms of fan girls, yes, if women had been there the audience they would have reacted just as stupidly. People seem the ignore the fact that SNSD fans are roughly 50% female In S. Korea, and internationally, like 80% female. If you’ve been to a concert, you will see mostly young men and women in their teens and early twenties and both act equally as excited. It’s not gender inequality, it’s hormones. Had any girl group gone in there I’m sure they would have acted the same.

  • Sherry Li

    I enjoyed this article a lot.

  • Dacecheang

    as someone who’s actually served in a predominantly-male conscript military in a combat vocation, I fully empathise with those soldiers. Honestly, after being confined to a camp and jungle training for weeks, seeing SNSD would undisputably provoke such a reaction. Had it been me at that performance, I would have done the same.

  • Black_Plague

    As one who studies military history and anything related to the military very much, it’s no doubt such a reaction would occur, especially since most of the armed forces of every nation are predominantly male. 

    But that aside, I wouldn’t think reactions from female personnel would be any different either, considering a large portion of SNSD’s fanbase consists of females – both Korean and international. Along with that, SNSD’s image amongst Korean female youths isn’t all that negative, judging from my stay in Korea during middle and high school – it wasn’t as hyper as the guys but still not something to shrug off so easily.

    In the social perspective, women in Korea of course rarely join the military – not because it’s simply a male-dominated thing but the social expectations placed on them are something they consider a bigger priority – military service isn’t in the list of those expectations. The vast majority of Korean women prefer to attend and graduate from college and get a good career – military service for many, delays or even denies that completely.