• PasserBy

    Somehow, I find this Roundtable irksome.. >.<

    You guys, generalize a lot.  Non sequitur?

  • Anonymous

    there’s something a little offputting about the unified chanting, lightstick waving, mindless dedication of K-pop fandom

    Same. Even though I am Asian, I think that the whole chanting, lightstick, etc are.. I don’t know, sort of, turning me off. And sometimes it bugs me when I saw the whole fiasco over one single not-so-interesting news about a group, e.g selcas. Makes no sense to me to go gaga over a picture of your idol.

  • jolyn_nhy

    Im an elf, yea and I only love one member of super junior.
    The others are just so-so to me, so I don’t know if Im a ‘true’ (what do you mean by true anyways) elf.

    And kpop fandom IS scary.
    Fans go to the extreme to get people to like their bias groups.

    one example:
    Whenever Super Junior has a big performance/comeback/birthday/etc.etc,
    elfs will always have some form of fan support.
    And its not like those small scale fan support, its HUGE.
    They cater food not only to Super Junior, but ALL the staff of that particular programme etc.
    And they pack the food super nicely, restaurant style.

    Oh, and during birthdays, the gifts they give their idols are crazily expensive.
    Another Example:
    Yesung’s birthday, 1 of his fanclub gave: Cartier Earrings, Lambougini laptop, some high end skin care products etc.etc.
    and thats just 1 fanclub,
    and that fanclub is not even based in Korea.
    Not to mention China too, I know of 1 fanclub who even bought furniture.

    Seriously? The fandom is kind of… extreme.
    and no, I won’t do such stuff for my bias.
    They can be idols, I can idolise/like them, but I won’t give them such expensive stuff.

    • guest!

      IKR, those fans are rich! i saw what the fans prepared for jaejoong for his PTB filming and it was one of the most  elaborate gifts i have ever seen. Besides the buffet spread and other meal deliveries, they gave LV and Gucci wallets for the DIRECTORS and PRODUCERS? the cast and workers of tat drama has gotta to be one of the luckiest ever.

    • http://twitter.com/JM7228JW J-MayTan©

      and u know why ELF want to provide for SUJU boys? cos SME never provides anything to the boys except accommodation and transport to and from schedules… when the boys started debut nearly 6 yrs ago… they were all left in hunger but still need to perform on stage..end up, few of them got gastro problems…the serious one like Hankyung had! and why ELF buying all the food supports for the staffs in stations and programs? because ELF want the staffs to give SUJU boys more chance on the shows and gave good impressions… cos… SME never promote SUJU! after all these years… only SUJU and ELF r on their own!

      • jolyn_nhy

        I agree to that.
        Im so pissed of with SM.
        Have you guys seen the full HD videos SM posted up on Youtube of SNSD’s comeback stage during Music Bank?
        Seriously?
        Why are they getting so much coverage while Super Junior didn’t even get a thing during their comeback.
        I understand its a worldwide release blahblahblah, but the treatment suju gets is too different.

        I think that many elfs bought such expensive stuff is to let Super Junior know that they are not alone in this and elf will support them forever.
        And from another recent report I read, Super Junior gets so little for appearances in TV shows given their huge popularity.
        What the hell? So the money you get isn’t proportional to your popularity?

        And the recent interview with LSM was just pissing me off again. I mean, how can you say that you let Super Junior debut because you had a contract with them and couldn’t break it?
        How can you say that you are really surprised by their results of today?

        Sure, they may not be the most talented out there, but them having such popularity today says something about them okay?

        okay i digressed :P I was just too angry with SM.
        I think the boys would love to know that elfs are really supporting them, but I think that there has to be a limit in such gifts. The point im getting at is that some fanclubs are too extreme.

    • Anonymous

      It really bothers me when fans spend their money (or their parents money) on luxury items for idols.  Seriously I think Jaejoong and Si Won can buy their own Louis Viutton products.  

  • http://twitter.com/flickaddi Felicia Addison

    Block B’s BBC fandom is the only one i truely consider myself a part of which might seem weird cause they are only rookies but it is seriously the most fun and happiesr fandom. Maybe because its so young and hasnt had to deal with anything dramatic except for a stupid soy sauce incident. I find their attitude is relaxed and from what I’ve experienced on tumblr they are pretty fricken hilarious

    Also i love 2ne1 but omg i cringe everytime i see a top rated comment on their youtube videos it kills me and the whole 2ne1 vs SNSD debate. Dude they are two different groups with different concepts i like both DEAL WITH IT!

  • Guest_no2

    I like how at the start you guys say “so from Cassiopeia to V.I.P. to ELF to SONE” but the only time you even mention sones is at the end and in an extremely irrelevant fashion

  • Coffee

    No 2PM? They have a situation like DBSK, albeit less divided and less dramatic (still quite dramatic, for the reason of the problem, but the scale of the problem based on number of people leaving the group and how well-established the group was, not so much).

  • Tigana

    Amy: Honestly, I
    hate all fan groups but I hate VIPs the most. Sorry, to any VIPs in
    this team who are sane, nice people. But VIPs are just constantly up on
    every single fangroup about how chill they are, (…)

    Patricia:
    Agreed, and I also think YG in itself propagates this ‘holier
    (chiller?)-than-thou’ attitude that thus reflects upon the fans. Gah, I
    just don’t like YG, period.

    ^
    That. Amen.

    I used to be all like “Yay, I’m a Cassiopeia!” until I met in real life some of the other Cassiopeias. Delusional, aggressive and infantile women. We’re talking 23-28 years old (and I thought being 18 made me too old to fangirl!). Scared the shit out of me when they wrote on the balloon “SME” and then started hitting it and jumping on it. D: 

    Hate fandoms and the whole “you must buy album even if it sucks, defend your group even if they sucks, love every member even if some members suck, buy anything and everything with idol’s face on”. Meh.

  • frou-frou

    Everything about K-pop is over the top, including its fandoms – but I find psycho fangirls to be part of the charm of K-pop. The only thing I love more than new material from my favourite idols is watching the fans duke it out over really, really stupid and inconsequential things. Admit it – K-pop is already so much fun thanks to all the scandal and drama; worked-up fans just make it even more entertaining.

    I do think it’s a case of exception rather than the norm though; I’m almost positive that for every idiot fangirl who hilariously takes offence at everything, there are fifty who are perfectly sane. Maybe it’s an age thing – as a working adult, I’m much older than your garden variety rabid fan, and capable of thinking objectively about my favourite groups and I’m not so quick to pass judgement on the groups I’m not keen on. Us older girls are also capable of intelligent conversations that aren’t littered with ‘oppas’ and ‘unnies’; I remember being confused over the legalese in JYJ’s lawsuits and a Cassie who obviously had a legal background broke it down in terms we could all understand.

    I have to say that it’s a great feeling when I’m talking to people who love the same acts that I do, and throwing myself wholeheartedly into Super Junior or Sunny Hill just adds to the experience. But that doesn’t mean that I am cool with some of the more diabolical plans that fangirls are coming up with (to the ELFs who are accepting donations in order to bulk-buy Mr Simple for a spot in the GDAs: Let it go, girls). Fandoms can be crazy, but they can also be warm and inviting – when I went for SuJu’s SS3, random girls gave me handmade banners and signs and even taught me how to say something in Korean to cheer on my boys.

    PS – That sapphire blue ocean warms the cockles of my heart <3

    • Anonymous

      Yeah about the whole psycho fangirls.. my secret confession: I enjoy every dating rumor/news that surfaces cause it’s so much fun to see how fans weep over something that they clearly doesn’t have the right to complain about.

      And also because I am happy for the idols that are brave enough to admit that they’re dating. With kpop fans, even dating sounds like a big sin. Who the hell fans think they are?

    • Anonymous

      Yeah about the whole psycho fangirls.. my secret confession: I enjoy every dating rumor/news that surfaces cause it’s so much fun to see how fans weep over something that they clearly doesn’t have the right to complain about.

      And also because I am happy for the idols that are brave enough to admit that they’re dating. With kpop fans, even dating sounds like a big sin. Who the hell fans think they are?

  • http://twitter.com/suzieuda 누난 너무 예뻐

    Lol! Megan, “Minho makes (your) knuckles itch”? Somehow he rubs me the wrong way, too. I blame it on his obsession with winning and Taemin. It’s totally off-putting.

  • Maddy

    I’m sorry but I will never call myself my a designated fandom name. I DON’T like being called a Cassie or Hottest or whatever the name of said group’s fanbase is called. The weight of calling yourself that and the cult fascination fans have scares me. Just freaks me out. I try my best to buy all the music I can legally, sing along, laugh and feel emotionally attached to by idol groups, but I just can’t associate myself with the word Cassie. That being said, of course not all fans are hardcore crazy. 

  • tyounge1991

    Kpop fandom is the most pathetic things I’ve seen. What kind of loser actually dedicates a whole part of their life, mostly online, to obsessing over some ‘idol’?

    It’s amazing, these people probably call themselves christians too, so it is amusing to see them place these “idols” on some God-like pedestal where they can often do no wrong. It’s mostly disgusting because most of these idols are totally talentless to begin with.

  • http://twitter.com/YGlover123 Atama

    I agree that K pop fandom is super crazy! I am a huge YG fan myself and i mean i love everyone from the actresses to the physical trainer! LOL i love how they supporting and loving they are with each other. However, i hate that fans always have to have fights within themselves. So what if you don’t like a member, thats cool but don’t say that another member is overshadowing your honey cuz i bet they work both hard but its just that your idol doesn’t receive much attention. It is true that VIP/Blackjacks think they are a better than other fandom and that their artists are the best but seriously which fandom doesn’t. 
    AHHH Anyways, this whole thing like you said is just too militarized its like a cult . you follow ur idols without thinking and buy whatever crap they come out with even if you don’t like it, but you HAVE to do it for the sack of your idol!! 
    I really feel used by those big company sometimes.

  • Gnattie

    “Dude, I will lovingly hate on whomever I please.” Lol YES!

  • Gnattie

    “Dude, I will lovingly hate on whomever I please.” Lol YES!

  • Gnattie

    I can never bring myself to be a part of any fandom, simply because I’ve never been able to respect the fanbase. I like SNSD but SONEs are hella annoying. I think I would like SNSD more if it weren’t for them.
    I’ve never been able to understand or like how emotionally attached Kpop fans become to their idols. It’s freaky, to me, and off-putting. 

    Yeah, Beliebers are like the American equivalent to Kpop fans. Everyone hates them and Justin Bieber. A lot.

    • http://twitter.com/AmandaRenee480 Amanda Evans

      It’s freaky to me as well. I feel it’s okay to dislike something an artist does (I mean, if it’s no good, it’s no good), but as soon as I say I dislike it, the respective fandom is all over me saying some pretty nasty things. (As soon as I said I disliked “The Boys” on allkpop…oh my word. SONEs went nuts on me.)

      It’s a little scary how far fans will go to get their artists on top of the charts, too. Buying albums repeatedly, playing a video hundreds of times so it shows up on the main page of Youtube and makes it look more popular (when in reality it hasn’t really been viewed by that many different people), reporting things as spam so their trending topic on Twitter will be on top…Just thinking about it hurts my head.

      • Gnattie

        I think it’s really underhand and sleazy of them to do this. They don’t realize it, believing that they’re doing something good, but it’s actually a despicable thing to do.

        SONEs are vicious. I’ve talked to a lot of SONEs on Tumblr and they’re very nice until you get them started about SNSD. SNSD are “nine flawless angels” and anyone that dislikes them even the tiniest bit is obviously fat, jealous, and ugly. Because that’s the only reasons there could be to dislike SNSD’s music, because you’re fat, jealous, and ugly, and girls by nature are vindictive and petty towards someone prettier than them (I’m using heavy sarcasm here). SONEs really remind me of prepubescent girls, in how they act and worship SNSD. Many of them show little maturity. Yeah, I don’t like SONEs. The more I see of them, and other Kpop fandoms, the more I dislike them.

      • Gnattie

        I think it’s really underhand and sleazy of them to do this. They don’t realize it, believing that they’re doing something good, but it’s actually a despicable thing to do.

        SONEs are vicious. I’ve talked to a lot of SONEs on Tumblr and they’re very nice until you get them started about SNSD. SNSD are “nine flawless angels” and anyone that dislikes them even the tiniest bit is obviously fat, jealous, and ugly. Because that’s the only reasons there could be to dislike SNSD’s music, because you’re fat, jealous, and ugly, and girls by nature are vindictive and petty towards someone prettier than them (I’m using heavy sarcasm here). SONEs really remind me of prepubescent girls, in how they act and worship SNSD. Many of them show little maturity. Yeah, I don’t like SONEs. The more I see of them, and other Kpop fandoms, the more I dislike them.

        • http://twitter.com/AmandaRenee480 Amanda Evans

          Ha. It’s sad, but true. I do like some of the songs SNSD does, but not all (their Japanese album was GOLD. Great vocals, solid songs, and a beautiful yet simple style for their album jacket that wasn’t over the top. Some of the dances were questionable, though). I don’t hate the girls, either. They seem like the kind of people I’d probably be friends with if I ever met them in real life.

          You’d think SONEs would hear that part, but noooo….to them, dislike for album/song=OMG YOU MUST BE JEALOUS AND UGLY. HOW COULD YOU HATE THESE GODDESSES/ANGELS?!?! 

          It doesn’t stop there, either. Some people worship SM as much as they worship SNSD. I made a comment once on an article about Lee Soo Man’s interview that he needed to get over himself and his idea that he and his methods were better than anyone else. Instant rage from some fans of SM’s groups.

          I would never, in a million years go work for SM. Not even if it made me as famous as SNSD. I’d rather work for someone who has morals and is humble, thank you. Even if it took me longer and meant more work for me to get recognized. =/

        • http://twitter.com/AmandaRenee480 Amanda Evans

          Ha. It’s sad, but true. I do like some of the songs SNSD does, but not all (their Japanese album was GOLD. Great vocals, solid songs, and a beautiful yet simple style for their album jacket that wasn’t over the top. Some of the dances were questionable, though). I don’t hate the girls, either. They seem like the kind of people I’d probably be friends with if I ever met them in real life.

          You’d think SONEs would hear that part, but noooo….to them, dislike for album/song=OMG YOU MUST BE JEALOUS AND UGLY. HOW COULD YOU HATE THESE GODDESSES/ANGELS?!?! 

          It doesn’t stop there, either. Some people worship SM as much as they worship SNSD. I made a comment once on an article about Lee Soo Man’s interview that he needed to get over himself and his idea that he and his methods were better than anyone else. Instant rage from some fans of SM’s groups.

          I would never, in a million years go work for SM. Not even if it made me as famous as SNSD. I’d rather work for someone who has morals and is humble, thank you. Even if it took me longer and meant more work for me to get recognized. =/

    • http://twitter.com/AmandaRenee480 Amanda Evans

      It’s freaky to me as well. I feel it’s okay to dislike something an artist does (I mean, if it’s no good, it’s no good), but as soon as I say I dislike it, the respective fandom is all over me saying some pretty nasty things. (As soon as I said I disliked “The Boys” on allkpop…oh my word. SONEs went nuts on me.)

      It’s a little scary how far fans will go to get their artists on top of the charts, too. Buying albums repeatedly, playing a video hundreds of times so it shows up on the main page of Youtube and makes it look more popular (when in reality it hasn’t really been viewed by that many different people), reporting things as spam so their trending topic on Twitter will be on top…Just thinking about it hurts my head.

  • Gnattie

    I can never bring myself to be a part of any fandom, simply because I’ve never been able to respect the fanbase. I like SNSD but SONEs are hella annoying. I think I would like SNSD more if it weren’t for them.
    I’ve never been able to understand or like how emotionally attached Kpop fans become to their idols. It’s freaky, to me, and off-putting. 

    Yeah, Beliebers are like the American equivalent to Kpop fans. Everyone hates them and Justin Bieber. A lot.

  • Van Nguyen

    I don’t like associating myself with organized obsessions. They creep me out.

  • Van Nguyen

    I don’t like associating myself with organized obsessions. They creep me out.

  • Sb

    oh good, let’s generalize about kpop fandoms and cover up our biases with generalizations. i can’t be bothered with the fandom aspect of kpop, but how am i supposed to take an article that says “i really hate yg” seriously.

    i’m not very fond of yg but i think there are far more people who talk about yg being elitist than yg actually being elitist. i’ve been interested in the the vips recent issues with yg simply because they got the kforums buzzing and you guys have completely missed the boat on what was really happening. similarly, the issue about how cassies handled dbsk’s split? did you by any chance miss all the drama that happened at the start of the lawsuit and continues to happen. the continued division in the fandom and the lengths to which both sides go to to bring down the other?

    i understand that the roundtable is completely the writers’ opinion, but when it’s so full of uninformed opinions, it makes you look like a bunch of fools and elitist ones at that because all you seem to like to distance yourselves from the idea of belonging to a kpop fandom.

  • Sb

    oh good, let’s generalize about kpop fandoms and cover up our biases with generalizations. i can’t be bothered with the fandom aspect of kpop, but how am i supposed to take an article that says “i really hate yg” seriously.

    i’m not very fond of yg but i think there are far more people who talk about yg being elitist than yg actually being elitist. i’ve been interested in the the vips recent issues with yg simply because they got the kforums buzzing and you guys have completely missed the boat on what was really happening. similarly, the issue about how cassies handled dbsk’s split? did you by any chance miss all the drama that happened at the start of the lawsuit and continues to happen. the continued division in the fandom and the lengths to which both sides go to to bring down the other?

    i understand that the roundtable is completely the writers’ opinion, but when it’s so full of uninformed opinions, it makes you look like a bunch of fools and elitist ones at that because all you seem to like to distance yourselves from the idea of belonging to a kpop fandom.

    • http://twitter.com/YGlover123 Atama

      Agree with what you said! It is true that it is their opinions but ” hate” is kinda of strong word!
      I love YG and honestly i know a lot of VIPs  and they are not crazy or obsessive at all ( some are of course lol). However, it is true that we ( i am generalizing here) believe that BIGBANG is different and that they are “true artists” because they are involved in creating their image, their music and their performances. Everything YG does has their imput in it contrary to some other artists. 
      Of course fans are going to be obsessive because no one wants to hear that who/what they love suck or isn’t good. If you can’t love a group because of their fandom then don’t. And this debate is all generalized there is crazy and cool fans and i don’t decide to love a band depending on their fans. 
      *when i say you i am referring to people in general lol

      • Ann

        as you said, you’re generalizing. i know tons of vips who don’t put bigbang on a pedestal, don’t call them true artists, don’t go around saying bb is different. they just like bb over other kpop groups because they like their music more. and kvips are very different from ivips. that’s the biggest problem with this roundtable, it’s a bunch of ifans who don’t want to associate with a fandom casting judgement on a fan culture, which is vastly different from their own (something that is not the same as what you’re used to? shocker!) without doing an iota of research about it and then passing judgement under the guise of personal opinion.

        where on earth did they get this stuff about gd & top fans fighting? i’m a huge gd&top fan and am on the korean boards and there was zilch about it. in fact, they pooled their resources to do their own promotions for the album because they didn’t think yg was doing enough. and it was never kvips vs kbjs, it was always kvips vs yg and that’s a problem that has been going on for 5 years, even before 2ne1 debuted.

      • Ann

        as you said, you’re generalizing. i know tons of vips who don’t put bigbang on a pedestal, don’t call them true artists, don’t go around saying bb is different. they just like bb over other kpop groups because they like their music more. and kvips are very different from ivips. that’s the biggest problem with this roundtable, it’s a bunch of ifans who don’t want to associate with a fandom casting judgement on a fan culture, which is vastly different from their own (something that is not the same as what you’re used to? shocker!) without doing an iota of research about it and then passing judgement under the guise of personal opinion.

        where on earth did they get this stuff about gd & top fans fighting? i’m a huge gd&top fan and am on the korean boards and there was zilch about it. in fact, they pooled their resources to do their own promotions for the album because they didn’t think yg was doing enough. and it was never kvips vs kbjs, it was always kvips vs yg and that’s a problem that has been going on for 5 years, even before 2ne1 debuted.

        • http://twitter.com/YGlover123 Atama

          I know! Kvips and Ivips are completely different, its like two polar opposites lol. I am myself wondering where they got this stuff about GD&TOP, i have never seen a single comment about that! oh well I am a VIP, proud to shout it to the world but i am also able to criticize them as they are far from perfect!

        • http://twitter.com/YGlover123 Atama

          I know! Kvips and Ivips are completely different, its like two polar opposites lol. I am myself wondering where they got this stuff about GD&TOP, i have never seen a single comment about that! oh well I am a VIP, proud to shout it to the world but i am also able to criticize them as they are far from perfect!

        • http://twitter.com/YGlover123 Atama

          Wait! what do you mean kvips vs. YG??

        • http://twitter.com/YGlover123 Atama

          Wait! what do you mean kvips vs. YG??

    • http://twitter.com/YGlover123 Atama

      Agree with what you said! It is true that it is their opinions but ” hate” is kinda of strong word!
      I love YG and honestly i know a lot of VIPs  and they are not crazy or obsessive at all ( some are of course lol). However, it is true that we ( i am generalizing here) believe that BIGBANG is different and that they are “true artists” because they are involved in creating their image, their music and their performances. Everything YG does has their imput in it contrary to some other artists. 
      Of course fans are going to be obsessive because no one wants to hear that who/what they love suck or isn’t good. If you can’t love a group because of their fandom then don’t. And this debate is all generalized there is crazy and cool fans and i don’t decide to love a band depending on their fans. 
      *when i say you i am referring to people in general lol

    • lay

      THIS.

    • caitlin

      Thank you. I agree. 

  • Julyssa

    ” And this is something quirky that I do, but every time I get some type of new technology, like when I got my macbook, when I got my iPhone, and when I got my iPad, I always play their first single “Hug” on the product first for good luck.” that’s just soooo cute!

  • Julyssa

    ” And this is something quirky that I do, but every time I get some type of new technology, like when I got my macbook, when I got my iPhone, and when I got my iPad, I always play their first single “Hug” on the product first for good luck.” that’s just soooo cute!

  • http://twitter.com/PhanTheHotness Jenny

    dbsk made me aware of kpop and they will forever be my #1. DBSK and JYY
    2nd is BEAST <333

    the end :)

  • http://twitter.com/PhanTheHotness Jenny

    dbsk made me aware of kpop and they will forever be my #1. DBSK and JYY
    2nd is BEAST <333

    the end :)

  • JW

    haha if I have to describe the different fandom in kpop, it will be like a high school social structure: VIPs are the preppy kids who like to separate themselves from others. Thinking themsleves superior and better (more chill~). despite the snobby-ish mindset, they actually DO everything in high quality all time and make sure they win. ELFs/Cassies/SONES are your majority students, once everyone gets together, it’s unstoppable. And finally B2UTYs are the freshman, still learning and try to make things right.

    There is my analyze for ya :)

  • JW

    haha if I have to describe the different fandom in kpop, it will be like a high school social structure: VIPs are the preppy kids who like to separate themselves from others. Thinking themsleves superior and better (more chill~). despite the snobby-ish mindset, they actually DO everything in high quality all time and make sure they win. ELFs/Cassies/SONES are your majority students, once everyone gets together, it’s unstoppable. And finally B2UTYs are the freshman, still learning and try to make things right.

    There is my analyze for ya :)

  • Anonymous

    Last three (well not the last one) paragraphs are speaking for me. I totally agree that fandoms are scary. I am pretty sure even idols themselves are actually really scared of them and they don´t dare to pi.. them off.

  • Anonymous

    Last three (well not the last one) paragraphs are speaking for me. I totally agree that fandoms are scary. I am pretty sure even idols themselves are actually really scared of them and they don´t dare to pi.. them off.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LL4QDJLVFDT2RDIZYBALSE75JE angel29

    Replying to Amy and Patricia:

    Am I missing something here?

    If VIPs think their idols are artists because BigBang members truly create their own music and their performances are almost always strong and well thought off and well crafted, is that not reason enough to think that yes, maybe they have a decent enough right to expect more and demand from kpop as a whole?  Why not challenge the system that is loved by many so that kpop can advance as a whole?

    And of course, I am counting out of this argument crazy teen fans who just like idols for their image, because yes, VIP also has those (and every group I know in KPop).

    *Regarding the holier-than-thou attitude, don’t ELFs and SONEs do the same, not in the “artists” claim but in other ways as well? I mean, these groups also talk in superlatives and act like it as well. It’s a fan thing.

    *I also would not categorize myself under the cults, but I love YG artists for reasons that I don’t think I should be discussing here as that would be out of topic.

    PEACE!

  • Daydream

    I don’t see anything wrong with unified chanting or lightstick/balloon waving, they are probably one of the most harmless and normal things that fans do. I mean, try compare that with stalking, or writing love letters to your idol in period blood…yeah. 

    My worst experience with k-fandom was probably with 2pm fans, both korean and international, during the Jaebum debacle. my gosh they were an unreasonable bunch, bashing left and right and blowing things way out of proportion. there was the whole 2pm v JYP, 1:59 v Jay, korea v the world etc. I literally had to take a break from k-pop because I just couldn’t handle the ridiculousness and immaturity that went on. Of course, there were sensible fans, but they were sadly outnumbered.  

  • Chewy

    Hey Megan, thanks for not being a Yoochun fan!!!! That’s one less person I have to fight with.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t consider myself a part of any fandom but that doesn’t mean I don’t love DBSK or Suju any less.  Plus I think I’m a little too old to call myself an elf. I guess that’s why I love Arashi because they’re my age and I don’t feel creepy thinking Sho is hot.

    I feel like a lot of these fans are teenagers and just don’t know boundaries.  Like those crazy saesang (sp?) fans. Why aren’t the police called on these girls?  Also I can’t believe that some fans will buy 5 or 10 of a groups album.  To me that’s a little extreme. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LL4QDJLVFDT2RDIZYBALSE75JE angel29

      First, I also don’t get why some fans have to buy multiple albums.  What I hate though is how some companies do multiple cover jackets or repackaged versions within the first few weeks of release knowing these teens are going to suck them up.

      I pity the parents of these kids.

  • Anonymous

    In all honesty while I am not rabid about any current group these days since I am too busy with work, I would have to say if were to consider myself part of any fandom, it would be definitely be Shinhwa Changjo, since I am still as big of a fan of them as I have always been for the past 11 years.  But even saying that,  I have no problem making fun of them any given day of the week which is why I am not a fan of current fandoms who hate to believe that maybe just maybe their idols are not perfect.

      Maybe because back in the early days of kpop (ala 1999/2000) there weren’t sites like this and AKP to expose me to the crazies but I sometimes wonder about the sanity of the current fandoms because seriously they need to get a life or at least grow up.  I get that people want to protect their idols but I hate when fans attack someone for criticizing their idol and labelling them an anti or jealous when all they were doing was giving constructive criticism. There is a huge difference between criticizing and bashing.  For example the article on Homin was far from bashing and is actually a thought that has been in my head because the fact is I have seen SME do the same thing to many groups in the past but yet fans take it as the author is a biased JYJ fan, an anti, or is dissing homin (did you know there is an actual AKP thread about that article, its sad really). I mean if a fan doesn’t agree, explain why you think your way, not go on and on about sales and popularity because sales and popularity do nothing about addressing someone who thinks the song is bad or the artist sounds bad.If you don’t want to add to the discussion then ignore the fellow commenter and agree to disagree.

    But in all honesty even though I know there are sane ones in the bunch somewhere and I genuinely like hearing their opinions when I come across them I seriously find most of the Sones/Elfs/and Cassies annoying especially Sones, oh my goodness Sones, some of your immaturity is unbelivable its remarkable.

    • Alwaysh

      Eh? I was wondering, do you have a link to the allkpop thread about the article? o.O 

      Man, that explains. So. Much. 

      • Anonymous

        I don’t know if i can link articles but look up “Someone’s Opinion Piece: The Unfortunate Reality of  Homin, aka DBSK.  It was originally called Diss Article:The Unfortunate Reallity of Homin, aka DBSK but was changed.

  • Pinky

    But you forget that there are some positives that come out of fandom, too. I know Cassies have organized charities, participated in auctions (though it’s kind of disturbing how much money some would fork up for something that belonged to their idols), or helped cleaning up oil spills. So it’s not all bad. There is more to fandom than creepy devotion.

  • Anonymous

    before i thought VIP would be a place for chill people who can write properly. but heck, even if it’s not poorly written or not another spazztatic comment like “oppa you’re so cool” “oppa i want you”, they’re just plainly overly biased to the artist, and go all mighty. and most of them have this mindset of them being “underrated” than SM/JYP artists. oh wow. 

    i was okay with VIP until i stumbled at junsu-taeyang battle in SBS gayo daejun, where i can see lots of VIP overly making ruckus of junsu. while it’s an usual sight for Cassie to go over on DBSK boys, i find it a bit annoying when VIP go “we’re the right one, stfu”. even mentioning how Daesung’s my favorite singer can cause much havoc for Taeyang’s fans. yeah, sure. go “chill” yourself, i want to go crazzie all the way. 

    and btw, even if i’m no Hottest, i have to say i have great pleasure discussing with some Hottest, the one who really enjoy their song, not the one who only spazz Nichkhun. i also enjoy my time hanging around JYJ fans now, of course it’s not a free troll zone, but as long you don’t bring up Homin, it’s enjoyable. ^^

    • Anon

      so they’re like every other fan then, because the whole point of being a super fangirl is being biased towards your artist and thinking they’re better than anyone else. every single kpop fanclub is like that.

  • Anonymous

    “I have never scene ppl across the world organize faster when DBSK was
    having their scandal. The Americans didn’t even organize that fast to
    save Europe from Hitler in WW2. Fandoms are just plain fanatical.”
    THIS IS THE CONCLUDING POINT TO THE WHOLE ARTICLE!
    (But maybe because the Internet exists now??
    Maybe WWII could have been like how Egypt and Libya are right now [damn, I don’t mean to bring politics into this but I’m in the middle of being brainwashed by the govt…])

    Fandom is a scary double-edge sword. But calling it a “cult” has too much of a negative connotation — for me anyways.

  • caitlin

    Perhaps it’s the tone that’s off-putting about this article. It seems like people are looking down on people who are part of a fandom. 

    It would be interesting if people took the time to understand what possible reasons these fandoms have for their acts instead of making snap judgments on isolated actions of their members – whether good or bad. The same way that Elfs were given a chance by the roundtable members. All fandoms have their share of the insane and the rational. As a group rises to fame, the bigger the fandoms become and thus, they attract even more fans of these types. Not quite sure if this article is critiquing international or korean fandoms or both. While both are fans, they come from totally different cultures and thus, their perspective on fandom are quite different. Korean fandoms are much more serious about their groups because they spend a lot of time and money on the groups they support. It’s like choosing a political party of sorts – they campaign and remain loyal to the ones they support. So, they are very passionate in defending their groups. Since Korea seems to be a very group oriented type of country where everyone’s connected to each other, somehow, ties are even stronger. So the whole militiaristic approach is not isolated to the fandoms. Of course there are some crazy things that the fans do and the mob mentality that Korea seems to just fan the flames of craziness. If this is solidly an opinion on how international fans are,however, then I can probably understand the annoyance of the OPs. Then again, these are just their personal issues against the people they’ve met (which they took as representative/sample of the fandom).Regarding the ‘chill’ attitude of VIPs, I can’t really tell how chill people are but people seem to like to stay within their comfort zones like forums and various threads. Unless you’re friends with them, they usually don’t bother with you. Perhaps it’s because the fandom is old, but the people have a tendency to just stick with each other. The fandom is quite independent and people seem to very strong in their opinions in music or concepts and it really rubs people off the wrong way as most come off arrogant or elitist as the OP’s said. But I also think that fans of groups that are well established each have their own brand of elitism since most fans take pride in their idol groups’ skills and successes. VIPs are just more focused on the artist side of Big Bang since YG marketed them as a group that writes their own songs and VIPs are less subtle about their opinions.On fandom fight within the YG family, there’s a post somewhere in tumblr about it and from what I understood, it’s a case of YG vs VIP instead of VIP vs 2NE1. Apparently, YG lacks in communication with its Korean fans. International fans are generally sympathetic over the matter. Regarding the GD & TOP issue, G-dragon’s always been accused of being an attention whore. It’s not a new phenomena. It started as early as their debut in 2006 because Big Bang’s promotions were centered on him. The fandom fighting now is just an off-shoot of prior issues. I believe VIP issues against YG are also the same. What we’re seeing now are just consequences of prior actions/inactions of YG and subsequent happenings in the fandom just aggravated it. On fandoms and why the music industry and at times, the government, listens to these people, if you look at Korea’s music industry and the dwindling amount of albums sold + piracy on digital downloads, you’ll see why fans are valuable entities. Fans keep the companies’ purses full because they are the ones that buy those tickets to concert, buy endorsed products, etc. That’s why companies and the respective government agencies try to appease them. Korean fans can turn hot to cold in an instant if they see something wrong with how companies treat their artists. They can walk away bringing all that cash with them. Public opinion is also very relevant in the Korea as a whole and celebrities are quite vulnerable to this because they’re the easiest targets. Just look at Kang Hodong who had to take a forced leave because of his accountant’s action on his taxes. Fangroups, though some may not like being part of them, can be useful. These fangroups are the ones who take the time to download, store, post, sub and translate all the things international fans are able to see online. Kpop blogs might translate the news, but they won’t go the extra mile to do it fast & accurately. None will go into the small details that a fan would want to know. Unless you speak Korean, of course and do not rely on fansubs at all. Or conversely, you don’t care anything about the personalities and simply care about the music and the eyecandy.Kpop and fandom just really go hand in hand. Like some have said, it’s also part of the entertainment. 

  • fjunior

    I really don’t get why ELF like to play the sympathy card. Claiming that SM completely ignore them and favor another group more so. Really? You telling me that they are shafted to the side when they were given heavy promoting through Mr. Simple promotion? That the success of SJ is only coming from the whatever number the current group has, super talented and hardworking members shedding tears and sweats? That the whole entire staff in the SM building didn’t take part in helping promote and manage these boys? LMAO so much conspiracy theories. It’s really pathetic of them to do the actions they are doing, spreading false rumors into brainwashing their own fandom to think that their precious group is indeed so terribly mistreated. Til this day they still have to mention the so called unfairness of the Golden Disk Award from last year. That shit is so last year yet they still spread and analyze every single detail about it. I find ELF as the worst fandom in kpop.

    • Dontcha

      I agree with you, some of the conspiracy theories ELF come up with for Super Junior is out of line. And they put down other groups in order to get people onto the SJ pity party. And it’s pathetic.

      But the thing is, the claims are exaggerated, but they aren’t baseless. Super Junior honestly does get the short stick in terms of material to promote. Everything with them is hype and no delivery. SM said himself that he didn’t expect the group to succeed in the first place, and the only reason they managed to stay afloat whilst flopping was because of their variety prowess. I’m not an ELF, but even I can tell Super Junior is right next to f(x) in terms of getting inferior material compared to other SM groups. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000430277033 Katie O’Brien

      I’d like to point out that its everyone else bringing up last years GDA, all ELF really care about is this years. Yet I still see people from other fandoms bringing it up. Now why do yo think that is? because everyone loves to hate ELF, thats why, not bitching about it, not whining, just stating a fact. Btw, stop making blanket statements, the level of ignorance you’re spouting is quite sad.

      • fjunior

        I’ve seen more than enough ELF bringing this shit up around everywhere. It’s like it’s a secret topic for them to dissect every single detail about it. The level of “patheticness” that they display is really sad because they are wasting their lives obsessing about an idol group that they will never get to meet or be with irl. It’s perfectly fine to be a fan of a celebrity and show support for them, but the “supportiveness” they show to SJ is really creepy and sad. 
        BTW, I’ve had ELF coming at me attacking me when I say the opposite of their brainwashed conspiracy theorists. They have to blame everything to a certain group and you think the so called hate shown towards ELF happened overnight? That someday, some people magically say that hey let’s just hate on ELF from now on because we feel like it ha! 
        Why don’t those ELF think about the reasons why the ELF fandom is looked down upon by many people and other fans? Playing the victim cards and acting as if it’s the whole world that is wrong and turning against them. lmao, just so pathetic.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000430277033 Katie O’Brien

          The moment you stop tarring everyone with the same brush, I might consider taking you seriously. Why on earth would a sane ELF want to actively participate in the Kpop fandom when this is all they are met with? I don’t defend the crazies, but the sane fans deserve better than this crap people shove in their faces. Hate the stupid bitches all you want, but don’t act like you really understand the fandom, the level of frustration with these fans has spiralled, and most are about done with it, but what can they do to change it? unfortunately, nothing.

  • http://weeatlemon.blogspot.com conanblue

    Fan clubs are crazy, crazier than I’d like it to be. But honestly, that’s the beauty of K-pop. It’s not the music, the dancing, and even the faces (even though that’s a big factor). K-pop wouldn’t be what it is today without its crazy fans that would bend over backwards and more just so their favorite stars can win #1 in a certain music show, or get casted in a drama, or whatever. It’s more about the activity of being a fan than the actual music which makes the K-pop hemisphere such a unique thing.

    I for one can’t really block myself into a particular fandom. When I started out liking K-pop, I really liked Big Bang and naively called myself a VIP. But because I’m very passive in the fandom, I let go of that title. After my personal hiatus from K-pop, I decided not to call myself a specific fan in order to be more objective and truly enjoying the things that K-pop can offer. Truthfully after stepping back from all the fan madness, I found some gems in K-pop sphere, like INFINITE for example, and discovered serious musical acts from Korea outside of K-pop, 10cm and Standing Egg being some of my favorites. I wouldn’t have even noticed them if I were still blinded in love with 2PM or FT Island.

    As for the characteristics of fandoms, I’m not completely aware of their unique personalities. What I know is that SME is some crazy fan magnet. I’ve bashed them so much for their lack of music quality, especially these days (it’s horrendous beyond words), but they constantly attract fans, old and new. Lee Soo-man definitely got K-pop wrapped around his fingers with that scientific equation and what not, which is weird putting numbers to music. But his main goal isn’t for creative awareness anyways so who am I to judge?

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  • Jaime

    lol, I love how the article is a one big generalization of all the fandoms. Yes, there are crazy, rabid, fangirls, but I think there are also way more sane ones. You just don’t hear from the sane ones as much because they are not obnoxious.

  • http://twitter.com/fe95 Felicia

    the word rabid makes me think of rabbits… reproducing (i blame the bio research i’m supposed to be doing). 

    You guys have made me realized how crazy and insane i am (well.. i already know that but as a reminder) and I used to believe how you have to love all members to be a true fan but now that i think about it… you don’t have to love them all because people are people. However, that doesn’t give you the rights to bash. Bashing is just.. why do you even bother spending your time? Go beat some eggs or something if you want to get rid of anger. 

    The crazies… ah the crazies. Would I consider myself a crazy? hm… Some fans are just so defensive it bothers me but then again so am I and there are issues which are sensitive-worthy. But, it doesn’t give anyone the rights to go and hurt others. 

    I think for the most part the craziest fans would be the ones that are teenagers (with our raging hormones) or the ones who are relatively new. The more mature and older ones (fandom age-wise) tend to be more chill because they’re more used to the crap that goes on and they take more than their emotions when they go online. 

    For me personally i’ve stopped reading comments on articles because some of the people are inconsiderate. But that also could be because i wasn’t supposed to read it from my point of view. 

    However, one thing that i have to say i love the most about fandom is how tons of people could be so synchronized in loving a group. For example, when i see videos, it’s always when the red lightsticks and balloons are showing in the audience is when i start to cry. The unity of the fans plus the expressions on the idols on the stage makes everything so much brighter. Also, i love meeting new people on the internet and being able to bond just like that because we’re from the same fan domination. where else do you get these kinds of things?

  • anon

    I believe some of you are generalising kpop fandom from what you have seen and heard thus far. Fandom isn’t just about rabid fangirls, elitists or being cult-like. Think of the more positive sides. Fandom is like community to some people. You get together, you discuss and you support each other; you do community projects, birthday projects or anniversary projects to support your idol. It makes you feel like you’re a part of something and this is a really powerful motivator to keep people faithful and loyal to what they support – the feeling like they belong and are playing an important part in supporting everyone. Granted, this does promote an unheathly attachment that at times, will take it to the extreme causing rabid fans. And I will not deny that not all of them see fandom it in the light of a community role but rather, they are obessesed with the idols or the idea of them instead. But I believe it is ignorant to view a situation from one side of the coin without considering the other. Everything has its pros and cons and we could do well to understand both before passing judgement.

  • http://twitter.com/ErikinaDaisy Erika Ward

    SUPER JUNIOR – I actually think the fandom is quite strong – Well that’s what I gather from talking to a lot of ELF. And I have to say that ELF is the one KPOP fandom that surprised me the most. They all are so devoted to SuJu – like saying that they’ll support them no matter what! I’m a fan of SJ too, but I haven’t decided whether to become an ELF yet. One thing I like about all these fandoms if that it creates a bond with people you’ve never even met and prob will never meet. Like if you look on youtube comments some people are sharing stores about stuff that is totally unrelated to KPOP. I really respect that. Anyway, I think ELF is a strong fanbase and as a SuJu fan I’ll help support both ELF and SuJu through what I call “The Army Years”! WE CAN DO IT~! SUPER JUNIOR FIGHTING~!

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