• http://profile.yahoo.com/6RRHQHZXXWNJ5YG5YU3CXT5LIQ Alex Tayne

    MTE.

    As an baby and an exotic, I was kind of shocked with what was happening. First thing that I saw on tumblr was that exotics were accusing babyz of cheating just bc BAP overcame EXO in the polls. I was going to laugh to myself as a baby and embarrassed for exotics (again). What cheating? And how? Most of the babyz on tumblr including me were left in the dark and weren’t notified until exotics were bringing it up all of the sudden. 

    IMO as an exotic also I can say that Babys did not start this.. even though it is painful to say. I can say that it escalated quickly due to both sides but our fandom started it.  After all we were in front for so long and everything seemed fine and dandy. Nobody accused us of cheating for being first for an entire month up until the last week. But bap’s votes were slowly increasing until they did the whole group voting thing and overturned it and exotics were shocked. After the accusations though I can say that there was bashing on both sides and it was a tiring thing to see tbh

    I love the 12 boys from exo and I love the sane fans that aren’t heard but honestly this made me feel embarrassed especially when exotics were bashing my friends and I on tumblr. I’d post pictures of bap and anons would accuse me of cheating and not being a ~real exotic~ just b/c I happened to post pictures of a different band. It kind of alienated me from the fandom and the whole scenario. (I know not all fans are like this but the ones that are give a bad name to our fandom). And it was tiring after the first day..

    I think busker busker winning made both sides realize how easily things can get out of hand. online friends of mine who weren’t fans of either groups used to ask me prior to November about the fanwar between bap and exo and I could confidently say that it was just an exaggeration and that there wasn’t any b/c both fandoms were too busy fangirling/boying over their boys. But these awards made me think twice. 

     I’m happy for busker busker winning because I thought their cherry blossom ending song was really great to listen to. 

  • http://twitter.com/nicholys Nicholas_SB

    With incidents like this, one does wish for one thing that these new fandoms lack: A rational voice. Surely, there could be some respected fandom person who can speak against or discourage such name-calling, especially as we never really know what happen.

    Besides, such voting is largely centered around a global fan base. For an award based in Korea, surely the votes/opinions that count more are Korean, and giving it to Busker Busker probably validated that fact. The guys have achieved a fair chunk considering how little promoting they did and love for them was largely word of mouth/the post SuperStar K goodwill.

    • http://dvqd92.tumblr.com/ Elizabeth

      I agree Nicholas with more rational fan/voice in fandom since as how they are rational and mature fan themselves and can also teach the fandom to learn and mature without all the fighting and namecalling

  • takasar1

    without a doubt, the best article i have read on seoulbeats. you do very well showcasing your intimate involvement with this particular aspect of the kpop world, unlike the majority of your fellow writers who who would much rather alienate themselves from all this mess and waste dozens of articles rehashing women’s rights and the inherent problems with Korean culture.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

    Same can be said for Cassies and ELFs all these years now, whenever there’s a year that both groups promote. The fanclubs, whether Korean or International, try as much as possible to mimic the famous DongBangSuJu friendship. All year round, everyone’s all happy and cross-promoting each other’s bias groups. Come October or November when award shows kick in and both groups are up for certain awards, claws come out and everyone’s inner bitches come alive.

    Oh and DBSK won in fanvotes in almost (or all, I dunno) categories they were up for in the MAMA awards, but obviously they didn’t win ’cause they weren’t there, and the award can easily go to another strong competitor that DID show up. Just saying.

    And for all the years I’ve been a K-pop fan, this year is the first time I’ve seen so much fuss over rookie awards. Then again, the only other time I really stanned for a rookie group (SHINee), everyone knew they were gonna get all the rookie awards that year.

    • swinter101

      Busker Busker and IU did not show up but they still won, Soju album was bad even some fan said tht i still dont get Why BB or anyone else Did not get tht award But they did

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kakadu-Kakaduson/100004743494148 Kakadu Kakaduson

        Lol who said SuJu’s album was bad? Don’t you know that music is all about taste? How old are you? Well this years MAMA made me realize one thing – VIPS or BB fans are as delusional and butthurt and stupid as ELFs they (VIPs) love to bash lol Hey VIPS do you read this? You are nothing better than ELFs, same delusional stupid fangirls lmao

        • http://twitter.com/summerainshower summerainshower

          Gosh, did you even read the article about starting stupid fan wars? 

        • swinter101

          Senior in high school. Im talking about Critics, they are the one that said the album is bad even some elfs agree with them. I think Busker Busker should have won it(im a vip). All im saying is tht Soju album sucked there was nothing special in it all the songs sound like many other song they have done before. I am not trying to start something this is just wht i think and many other people agree with it the WTF moment for most people was them winning best album

          • Tornibbon91

            But it wasn’t the beast album. The award is called Album of the year which mean best selling album which happen to be SuJu’s

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

        Suju’s album sold the most out of all the nominees, so obviously they’d win that. Honestly, the Album of the Year, Artist of the Year, and Song of the Year winners  (Super Junior, Big Bang, and Psy) were all pretty much spot on, so I don’t understand why everyone’s raging that Super Junior’s album won, especially when 50% of the criteria for the award was album sales.

        And besides, no way is a Korean award show giving two of the Daesangs to the same artist, so obviously they spread the awards out among Super Junior, Big Bang, and Psy.

        And you know, the award wasn’t “Best Album.” It was “Album of the Year,” meaning an album that stood out, and Super Junior’s album did stand out because of the number of copies it has sold this year.

        • muggle87

          2ne1 won two daesangs in mama 2010. artist of the year and album of the year.

    • http://twitter.com/lillian23910 Sharon

      I actually saw no fighting with ELFs and Cassies. ELFs cheat and use every trick in the book to win, like a lot….so they kinda expect everyone else will cheat. Or maybe I missed the fighting??

  • http://www.facebook.com/karheng279 Aaron Ho

    If I could teleport to those who start fan wars and slap them in the face. 

    I would. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/karheng279 Aaron Ho

    If I could teleport to those who start fan wars and slap them in the face. 

    I would. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/karheng279 Aaron Ho

    If I could teleport to those who start fan wars and slap them in the face. 

    I would. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/karheng279 Aaron Ho

    If I could teleport to those who start fan wars and slap them in the face. 

    I would. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/karheng279 Aaron Ho

    If I could teleport to those who start fan wars and slap them in the face. 

    I would. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/karheng279 Aaron Ho

    If I could teleport to those who start fan wars and slap them in the face. 

    I would. 

  • lokifairy

    I knew Busker Busker would win. They are even more popular than some big groups in Korea.

  • http://dvqd92.tumblr.com/ Elizabeth

    great article Nabeela :) fanwar is one of my pet peeves you can still like more than one things without resorting to this
    also there is more examples on fandom war http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FandomRivalryhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FandomRivalry/Music

  • http://twitter.com/mrshobbes Alexis Aragona

    I remember watching an EXO video and someone had posted a comment that I’ll quote verbatim: “GUYS WE NEED TO KEEP ON VOTING FOR EXO!!! BAP ALREADY BET US!! by cheating of course” 

    I don’t normally get into these kinds of things (I’m neither a Baby nor an Exotic) but that comment was so inflammatory that I was shocked into asking if she wanted to start a fan war, or even if she was some kind of troll. Through PM, the poster had explained about the supposed software, that she knew a few fans is not indicative of the entire fandom, etc. I had commented again saying something like said poster had explained more details to me, but the thought bubble I had was–yes, but why comment THAT way? :/ 

    Anyway, one of the things that gives me thought bubbles as well are comments like “[insert Kpop idol group] worked so hard, they deserve this [award/recognition/etc]!” As far as I can tell, ALL Kpop groups work hard. And fans see this and want the best for them, always. But sometimes I see fans give this comment as the sole reason a group/idol should win, and that I’m a leeeeettle eh?? about. 

  • Chocho268

    Fandom wars are one of the most annoying and irritating things about kpop. The bitching and immature fighting is what has put me off kpop many many times.

    The BAP and EXO ‘who deserves the MAMA award’ fanwar was absolutely everywhere. Even as a non-fan of both groups, it was hard not to notice it. Don’t even get me started on the Sones vs. Blackjack saga, which has to be the most annoying fandom war ever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

    What kind of a “war” could it possibly be with people called BABYs and EXOTICs? What is one throwing pacifiers and the other throwing glasses of pina colada? 

    The irony is that botting probably happens on both sides, to some degree.

  • minty_chip

    I’m a fan of both groups but I also really wanted B.A.P win. However, I knew not to mess with the whole voting system because honestly it turns people into crazed fans. Plus, whoever was going to win wasn’t based solely on votes. The thing I don’t get is why people are so surprised about Busker Busker winning, overall they slayed the charts compared to Exo and B.A.P. 

    • http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

       I think I read a lot of comments saying Busker Busker said they weren’t going to show, and MAMA usually has a no show, no award policy. So I think a lot of people expected them not to win because of that.

      • minty_chip

        Oh, I forgot about that. Hm that makes sense; I guess they changed their ways.   

        • http://piggy68gal.tumbr.com/ piggy68gal

          Well, Busker Busker was a product of Superstar K, which Mnet produces. But that being said I think they deserved that award, they were huge in Korea this year, from what I see. They are probably more respected too, relying on solely on talent rather than on looks. (Not saying BAP and EXO have no talent, of course.)

          • http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

             Yeah, I totally agree that Busker Busker deserved it, just based off of previous experiences with MAMA I wasn’t sure it would actually happen.

            I would disagree though, about talent and looks. I think looking good is a talent as well. Some people are born with good looks, and some are born with good voices, but either way it takes hard work to perfect those. You can have good genes but it still takes a lot of hard work and money to eat right and exercise right. You can be born with a good voice, but it still takes a lot of hard work to train, practice, and money to get the lessons you need.

            Entertainment is about producing a product that people will enjoy, and want to buy. Whether that product is based off of musical expertise, dancing, humor, or being visually appealing, I don’t think any of those are “better” than the others. Often, those categories will just appeal to different people, because everyone has different tastes.

      • Sophia

        Even though i’m a BABY i’m glad that that stupid rule wasn’t upheld – cos thats the biggest load of shit i’ve ever heard, how can you be credible if you had daft rules like “no show, no win?

  • Teena Alex

    I wanted B.A.P to win i voted everyday also! Maybe next year!

  • http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

    Who else had a flashback to “Answer Me 1997″ and the huge fanwar they depicted between HOT and whoever the other idol band was to get the award, just for a non-idol band to actually win.

    Maybe I’m letting my band down, but I pretty much never vote. In the end that vote doesn’t mean much, takes far too much time and emotional investment, and often gets people embroiled in the hate of fan wars. In the end, I’d rather spend my time working more and earning more money to throw away on their albums and my biases.

  • http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

    Who else had a flashback to “Answer Me 1997″ and the huge fanwar they depicted between HOT and whoever the other idol band was to get the award, just for a non-idol band to actually win.

    Maybe I’m letting my band down, but I pretty much never vote. In the end that vote doesn’t mean much, takes far too much time and emotional investment, and often gets people embroiled in the hate of fan wars. In the end, I’d rather spend my time working more and earning more money to throw away on their albums and my biases.

    • Mika_San123

      That was exactly what I was thinking when I saw all these arguments between Babys and Exotics popping up on Kpop fanpages! In 1998, H.O.T. vs Sechskies… Only for Kim Jonghwan, someone recognized more for talent than looks, to win. And fast forward to 2012, BAP vs EXO (isn’t it also ironic how both of their names are three letters?)… Only for Busker Busker, again, a group more recognized for talent than looks, to win. (Not saying that BAP and/or EXO are untalented, just that they aren’t necessarily recognized specifically for their talent…)

      There are so many artists whom I want to win, but you know, the votes tend to get eschewed and everything anyway, so I don’t even bother registering… 

  • k_db

    Busker Busker not winning would have serious public backlash.  I’m not surprised.  I mean, look at how not amused people are with SuJu winning album of the year?

  • http://siriithao.tumblr.com/ TS_Love1403

    For people who didn´t knew about this case and the misunderstanding: http://luhanlu.tumblr.com/post/36541995798/the-letter-to-jinpledis-tumblr-com-hello-im

    Well I´m just glad that the issue and misunderstanding got cleared up, and yes fanwars are stupid. Also the whole issue honestly reminded me of H.O.T vs SechKies in 1997, we kpop fans are living in a drama land.

  • http://siriithao.tumblr.com/ TS_Love1403

    For people who didn´t knew about this case and the misunderstanding: http://luhanlu.tumblr.com/post/36541995798/the-letter-to-jinpledis-tumblr-com-hello-im

    Well I´m just glad that the issue and misunderstanding got cleared up, and yes fanwars are stupid. Also the whole issue honestly reminded me of H.O.T vs SechKies in 1997, we kpop fans are living in a drama land.

  • http://allthatdramanews.blogspot.com/ Eye Candy

    It’s always unfortunate that the loudest voices drown out the rest of the fandom. I’m also a fan of B.A.P and Exo so its unfortunate that the mindset becomes one or the other. I must admit while I read the article I couldn’t help but think about the scene from Answer Me 1997 before an awards ceremony when H.O.T. and Sechs Kies fans fight it out over the winner and then it goes to a completely different group. While that was hilarious in the show, it gets a little scarier when it’s real life. 

  • http://allthatdramanews.blogspot.com/ Eye Candy

    It’s always unfortunate that the loudest voices drown out the rest of the fandom. I’m also a fan of B.A.P and Exo so its unfortunate that the mindset becomes one or the other. I must admit while I read the article I couldn’t help but think about the scene from Answer Me 1997 before an awards ceremony when H.O.T. and Sechs Kies fans fight it out over the winner and then it goes to a completely different group. While that was hilarious in the show, it gets a little scarier when it’s real life. 

  • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

    I was in the middle of this, and can I just say it was a huge misunderstanding that people got upset and confused about? Apparently a Baby on a forum had created a bot that would cast her votes for her everyday (just once a day) because it was too much of a hassle to fill in the bubble every single day. When BAP overtook EXO, some EXO fans misunderstood what the bot was being used for.

    What’s actually interesting is the real reason BAP overtook EXO in online voting: fanclub alliances. BABY’s “allied” with Miss A fans and Shinhwa fans (or something like that), and that helped BAP pull ahead. Which I find kind of amazing and kind of ridiculous.

  • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

    I was in the middle of this, and can I just say it was a huge misunderstanding that people got upset and confused about? Apparently a Baby on a forum had created a bot that would cast her votes for her everyday (just once a day) because it was too much of a hassle to fill in the bubble every single day. When BAP overtook EXO, some EXO fans misunderstood what the bot was being used for.

    What’s actually interesting is the real reason BAP overtook EXO in online voting: fanclub alliances. BABY’s “allied” with Miss A fans and Shinhwa fans (or something like that), and that helped BAP pull ahead. Which I find kind of amazing and kind of ridiculous.

    • Gaya_SB

      “alliances” have been going on for a while–I think a big war broke out in the SM fandom last year because Cassies allied with Sones instead of ELF or something. I don’t actually care tbh, I didn’t even vote (but SHINee still managed to win, so I’m good)

      • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

        I voted most days. I know a lot of people who created multiple emails and switched their Internet server to vote more than once a day. Too much of a hassle, imo.

        • Gaya_SB

          You’re telling me–the main reason I didn’t vote in the MAMAs is because I couldn’t be bothered getting just the one account! No way I would have gone to the effort of multiple emails, even for SHINee

          • TheJadeBullet

            Let me love you. I didn’t vote at all either.

        • Sophia

          Yeah that is just too hardcore for me!

        • Sophia

          Yeah that is just too hardcore for me!

        • Sophia

          Yeah that is just too hardcore for me!

        • Sophia

          Yeah that is just too hardcore for me!

        • Sophia

          Yeah that is just too hardcore for me!

  • goldengluvsk2

    All this reminded me of answer me 1997 and how h.o.t and sechkies fans were fightig to hete chanve to attend amusic awards andd were ywlling and stuff and in the end a solo artist won instead and they ended up cyingogeher… Fandoms have that crazy way of behaving… I wishhey could think bfore doing things.. Im gla busjer busker won and i reaaally like b.a.p. So im happy for all ofthem..

  • http://twitter.com/lillian23910 Sharon

    I guess Baby’s and EXO’s were too blinded. It was kinda obvious that Busker Busker was gonna win, anyone following the charts a little bit would understand how big they are in Korea. Also how well they sold digitally. Maybe we should vote less like crazy people. They only get an object at the end of the day, and bragging rights.

    I also find it quite insulting that both fandoms thinks these awards are worthless, bc they didn’t get the rookie if the year award. My favorite rookie group NU’EST was not even nominated. Don’t get me started on UKISS.

    • Gaya_SB

      don’t forget the tears of joy flowing from their bias’ eyes upon receipt of [insert award here]

      • http://twitter.com/lillian23910 Sharon

        Exactly, my favorite part is when the artist goes up there and thanks their fans. Seeing their happy faces is good enough to me. If they cry with tears of joy, it’s even better!

    • ANANAS

      NU’EST and UKISS :( they had amazing songs this year yet no nominations in MAMA. I love Hyuna but her song was barley even released and got nominated…the past is the past but still

  • animefreakhq

    PD choice award is a joke and shouldn’t be given because it insults the idols/artists receiving it.

    • http://twitter.com/fah2ma Fatouma

       How is it a joke or an insult? It’s an award that was complied by Mnet’s PDs of who they believe will have the most presence domestically and overseas. It’s been given to many a renowned group, including S.E.S, and although there’s a lot of wishful thinking behind it, it’s amazing that B.A.P is the first rookie group to win the award, and an award that fans or sales had no part in whatsoever.

    • http://twitter.com/fah2ma Fatouma

       How is it a joke or an insult? It’s an award that was complied by Mnet’s PDs of who they believe will have the most presence domestically and overseas. It’s been given to many a renowned group, including S.E.S, and although there’s a lot of wishful thinking behind it, it’s amazing that B.A.P is the first rookie group to win the award, and an award that fans or sales had no part in whatsoever.

      • http://twitter.com/AeisHDkpop UndyingBBCWarrior

        Still doesn’t mean it’s not a consolation award. Of course they couldn’t get any of the legit ones, er I mean the ones that all other fans care about….

        • TheJadeBullet

          The MAMAs on the whole isn’t a legitimate estimation of talent or sales. It’s a popularity contest.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/IHQUXIVKKZYWAJ2QZ3JV6VVVC4 mosirow

       it’s not! Legendary group, S.E.S once received the same award!!

  • Sophia

    Nabeela, first of all i blame you for my random rookie interest this year! lol Never before i have i taken an interest in a rookie group, usually i notice them when they are a little more established, but Seoulbeats have opened my eyes – so thanks GRRR!! lol

    Second of all it’s like you read my mind and wrote exactly what i was thinking/feeling – a K-pop fan for a few years now, i’ve often watched these fans wars from the sidelines, with utter disbelieve at what is happening and tutted thinking “this is all so ridiculous”. YET for some reason this year i’ve found myself actually involved in one of these epic battles – i too voted for B.A.P everyday and did a little dance when the B.A.P were 1st after so long at no2…..but i remember feeling personally slighted when the rumours going around that BABYZ had cheated, HOW DARE THEY and yet its all forgotten now!! 

    The funny thing is, i think both fan groups recognise that each group is talented and that in them we are seeing what is are likely to be the staple groups of the future, its just ironic that we think that we have to tear each other down in order to….i dunno, be the best, when in the end, it really doesn’t matter? 

    Actually the funniest thing to me is how I’ve reacted in all this, how heated, upset and emotional i got during this whole drama – how i’ve become the crazy fan girl that i used to ridicule, how the FRIG did that HAPPEN???

  • VLF218

    I was wondering why people were getting so riled up since our votes counted for so little and unless you were an official of the MAMAs the award is up for grabs.  I knew Busker Busker was really popular and international fans just kind of skipped over them.  I really love B.A.P and EXO so I just voted for both, one day I voted for EXO and the next day I voted for B.A.P.  So who ever won I would be happy with it.  There will be many awards for our biases to win so just calm down  

  • http://twitter.com/AeisHDkpop UndyingBBCWarrior

    You people are all nuts if you were thinking that Busker Busker wasn’t going to come away with that award. Fangirls and their limited thinking are embarrassments seriously.

    • TheJadeBullet

      Mnet made it pretty obvious that Busker Busker was going to win imo

  • taequila777

    See, this kind of nonsense is one of the reasons why I don’t join fandoms.

  • taequila777

    See, this kind of nonsense is one of the reasons why I don’t join fandoms.

  • chara_sweetmelody

    Good thing I didn’t bother voting then. But what is this I’m hearing about BABYs cheating? I hope that’s not true or else that’s disappointing =.=’

    I was totally expecting Busker Busker to win. Anyone who didn’t see that coming was living under a rock tbh

  • http://twitter.com/nikkicomehere Nicole Ahn

    “putting off a seven page paper due that same day. . . . . girl

    The MAMAs drama with EXOTICS actually caused me to duck out of the B.A.P. fandom for a while. I’m not complaining because it was during that hiatus that I discovered BtoB. The constant back and forth just got to be too much. I have a feeling that both fandoms were purposely trolled by Mnet to create a big buzz right before the awards were given out. I am glad that both groups got their little consolation prizes (kidding) because I am pretty sure someone at MNet would have gotten their wig split if both groups walked away empty-handed.

  • http://twitter.com/nikkicomehere Nicole Ahn

    P.S. I am so glad that B.A.P.’s stylist chose this night to finally get her shit together. I love those boys to death but they always look a hot mess. The suits were fresh and I love Zelo’s hair like that.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RM6ILQXWLGQU6TCT5TPYX65EHA Yurina

    wew…, Lucky I have Bias K Idols are charming, not dance, just singing and tried so much to be gag :P but  love them…in the end of the world, I hope they will be singer forever, charming as aged become to them, even thought they got only few awards, its fine for me..Love them. I admire all Fangirls in the world for their Idols, Fighting !

  • http://www.facebook.com/marshmellowbelly Christina Xu

    reallly…..? are you sure you’re just not buthurt?
    i honestly felt like the PD’s choice award was a PITY award…………..
    its as if mnet was looking down on them 
    i was all like b.a.p doesn’t need that kind of sympathy.

  • Mr X

    They should change the name to MKMA (Mnet Korean Music Awards)

    How the f*ck you can say it “Asian” if all dominated by Kpop?! Not sure if racism, unfairness, or just to show that Kpop is the best.. But le me tell u, what makes Kpop successful is just showing off sexiness. They can only dance. Singing? F*ck it off, just use auto-tune or lipsync!
    Compared to Cpop, Jpop, and Western, Kpop are nothing! They are the REAL singers, REAL talented singers.

    Dammit, why all the people so obssessed with Kpop?