• http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

    I like to try and read between the lines said, though it is kind of hard. If something said by an idol serves to move the show along and introduce a new concept/game that everyone wants to go with, chances are that was probably scripted. If an idol says something and everyone is staring at them confused, trying to figure out what the crap they just said and what relevance that has on the situation, then that is more likely to be something the idol thought up themselves.

    But really in the end, it’s a matter of deciding if you like the image the idol chooses to portray themselves as, because it is almost impossible to get to know their real personality. The personality they have when there are no cameras around, and no one is watching. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

    I think the one person who has played up the variety show persona the most is the one and only Kim Heechul. Heechul during debut days was just something else. Rookies are expected to be quiet and meek and only speak when directly spoken to in variety shows, yet Heechul was witty and sharp-tongued, playing up his pretty boy looks and creating this larger-than-life idol that has never been seen before. No wonder all the MC’s took a liking to him and had him appear in so many variety shows. He played up the egotistic, vain, snarky pretty boy so well, with many celebs falling victim to his snide comments, yet he has never directly said anything intentionally insulting or rude to anyone, something most idols, even his own group members, haven’t managed to do over these past years.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      Dude, I love Heechul to death, but I’ve seen him say some pretty rude things. Then again, it was the “Of Course” game, so I can see why, but he was still pretty rude. :P 

      Love him anyways. I honestly find him incredibly genuine, despite his larger-than-life image.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

    “How much of idols’ personalities or views do you think are reflected on variety shows?”

    About as much as Spongebob reflects intelligent social commentary on his show.

    After some research, I agree that variety is really no more or less scripted than your Real World or any other reality show. A lot of reality shows are spontaneous, they feature differing amounts of improvisation, but they are always guided behind the scenes. Things like “Gripe at her for this”, or “Take him to the clothing store and try stuff on.” 

    You hit the nail on the head pretty squarely, Jasper. It would be very naive to assume what is presented in variety programs constitutes a person’s “true” self — but people still do, in both directions (positive or negative). 

    Really, who is going to act like a complete douche,if they are a complete douche in real life, when on a variety program? It isn’t like Korean tv embraces assholes like we do in the west, or spoon-fed, spoiled little daffodil delicate celebrities. They still want you to present with a modicum of softer emotions, or at least non-threatening ones (there is nothing less intimidating than someone who appears to be a dimwit — which is just another form of shallowness that makes me laugh for the sake of pure irony). Not to mention respect, humility, understanding of social protocols (honorifics and such), etc. Even if this isn’t stuff you practice in real life (a lot of modern Korean youth don’t follow these same societal rules in their real life as religiously as it is shown on tv), you’re still expected to give off the sheen that you do. 

    However, this particular hole is one the companies tend to dig for themselves. They spend so much time crafting an idol’s image, I can’t imagine they just ok a variety appearance without making damn sure their new role fits within this constructed image, or at the very least won’t leave it catastrophically damaged. So already you are headed into disingenuous territory, because idols are only allowed to be the part of themselves that doesn’t conflict with their professional image. Yet entertainment companies use them as vital tools in the marketing and promotion of their talent.

    There is also an adage that, while used many, many times, is still very appropriate: There is no such thing as bad publicity. The thing is, that isn’t entirely true. There very much is publicity that can negatively impact your career — but its damaging effect depends on the career in which you happen to be involved. In business, you don’t ever want bad publicity. Consumers have to be able to trust your brand (even if a lot of the people running it are lying sacks of sh*t). In Kpop, bad publicity is so insignificant as to be laughable. Sure, you may do something stupid and earn yourself a temporary retreat from promotion and activities (what a dreadful thing to imagine, idols actually getting a chance to relax and regroup), but give it time and the fans will have either forgotten, or are willing to forgive after being deprived of their “fix” for long enough. That is a tendency seen in more serious scandals — to get so uppity over variety scandals is just plain lunacy.

    Pointing to a variety show as an indicator of an idol’s true personality is like pointing to an episode of Jersey Shore and saying, “See! I told you Snooki wasn’t really stuck up! She likes animals!” If you’re pointing to a heavily scripted fantasy scenario as some sort of proof, your argument already has more holes in it than this last Epik High album without more Tukutz input.

    That’s right, I said it.

  • infernolevel8

    People are so gullible sometimes. I’m going to use Gyuri as an example because she’s the one I am most familiar with. She has a “goddess” person on television. One because she has the looks for it and is witty enough to pull it off. Imagine Nicole or Jiyoung being snarky… You can’t. Also, I remember an article or a interview or something that explained that Gyuri took the controversial role to help KARA break out and to draw negative attention away from the younger members who couldn’t handle it as well as her. In fact, if you watch interviews or even KARA-centric variety shows, you realize that Gyuri is really like a big sister to the members. 

    However, like the T-ara controversy  netizens don’t take the time to do full research. Why should they, they think? They should immediately believe what’s in front of them, not because they are stupid, it’s because they like the drama. They want to cause a controversy, to judge at drop of a pencil. That’s why the K-pop community has trolls. But K-netizens are even worse than international fans. A lot of the top comments are always drama or criticisms of one aspect or the other. Like the recent controversy with Lee Hyori’s photoshoot or Yoochun’s co-star, netizens feel like because they have a right to free speech, they can say whatever. Based on a random article about a random moment in the T-ara controversy, I’ve seen people say the cruelest things based off of a few photos. It’s like they enjoy it! There’ s no consequences, they think, and if there are, it serves the actor/idol right.

    People are so righteous online that they forget that maybe, just maybe, their judgments are wrong or too harsh. I am waiting for the day where netizen comments go really, really wrong. Maybe then they will change their ways… Actually, I doubt it. 

  • http://twitter.com/sebsobandsky Sabah

    Pretty much every single Kpop ‘obsession’ of mine has a route which starts at intrigued, slowly inclining to interested, peaking at passionate, culminating on the edge of devotion when suddenly it trips up upon itself and nose dives back down to intriguingly interested. 

    Variety shows are the reason I fall in love and then out of love with a person.  I get to know a persona, see it acted out and enjoy every nuance of it until the charm fades when I see things that I don’t like. A sentence, a sentiment, a look or an act that shows a side that doesn’t mesh well with expectations that I imagined for them, even if they first ignited via personae that they build for themselves via variety shows. 

    I always go into these ‘pseudo’ relationships knowing that what I see isn’t reality, that every meeting is just one moment away from the heartbreak of reality crashing down around me BUT still, I am disappointed every time.  Not that I would hold it against that Kpop idol because that would just be cruel, but I can not deny that my interest wanes, support wavers until slowly I almost forget about them entirely. 

    I just tend to enjoy the ride while it lasts, because whilst I am in those dizzying highs, I am reminded of what is possible, that potential of finding someone who could be my soulmate, prince charming or bosom buddy.  Sometimes I have an urge to call myself disloyal but my loyalty is reserved for people who inspire me, who make me wish that I were a better person.  They are few and far between but even within Kpop idol-dom they do exist; those people or rather variety personae, whom I never fall out of love with. 

    Variety shows are just one strata away from acting a part in a drama or film. Variety Personae are the means by which Kpop Idols set out to entertain us and that they do.  Just imagine if they decided instead to use their actual personalities to do that, would it be as interesting? Reality TV is a different sport entirely to Variety TV and you cannot judge either by the same parameters nor mix them up because it would be like comparing oranges to apples. 

  • http://twitter.com/sebsobandsky Sabah

    Pretty much every single Kpop ‘obsession’ of mine has a route which starts at intrigued, slowly inclining to interested, peaking at passionate, culminating on the edge of devotion when suddenly it trips up upon itself and nose dives back down to intriguingly interested. 

    Variety shows are the reason I fall in love and then out of love with a persona.  I get to know a persona, see it acted out and enjoy every nuance of it until the charm fades when I see things that I don’t like. A sentence, a sentiment, a look or an act that shows a side that doesn’t mesh well with expectations that I imagined for them, even if they first ignited via personae that they build for themselves via variety shows. 

    I always go into these ‘pseudo’ relationships knowing that what I see isn’t reality, that every meeting is just one moment away from the heartbreak of reality crashing down around me BUT still, I am disappointed every time.  Not that I would hold it against that Kpop idol because that would just be cruel, but I can not deny that my interest wanes, support wavers until slowly I almost forget about them entirely. 

    I just tend to enjoy the ride while it lasts, because whilst I am in those dizzying highs, I am reminded of what is possible, that potential of finding someone who could be my soulmate, prince charming or bosom buddy.  Sometimes I have an urge to call myself disloyal but my loyalty is reserved for people who inspire me, who make me wish that I were a better person.  They are few and far between but even within Kpop idol-dom they do exist; those people or rather variety personae, whom I never fall out of love with. Just like characters from any other fictional medium.

    Variety shows are just one strata away from acting a part in a drama or film. Variety Personae are the means by which Kpop Idols set out to entertain us and that they do.  Just imagine if they decided instead to use their actual personalities to do that, would it be as interesting? Reality TV is a different sport entirely to Variety TV and you cannot judge either by the same parameters nor mix them up because it would be like comparing oranges to apples.

  • destinyanglin

    i  always think of when Key said “not everything you see on tv is real” (or something to that accord).
    I especially found it funny cause he was fillming a variety show (Hello Baby) at the time.

    Never take everything that a celeb/idol says when in front of the camera as 100% their personality and interests. Especially when in a tv show that is meant to help promote them and hopefully give them a distinct individual image.

  • aden01

    Park Gyuri can handled Shit like no others!
    All Hail to the Queen G.