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Music Groups: Is The West So Over It?

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While I was scavenging the internet for MTV IGGY Best Band In The World fancam videos, I came across one that highlighted a Times Square LED screen across the MTV studios where you could only see a peek of Dara’s signature baton hairdo. The screen played a countdown of what I assumed to be top musical acts who’ve either taken over the world with their Illuminati undertones popularity, performed in New York, or have won a significant MTV award.

From the video, the year 1998 belonged to N*SYNC and 1999 to Backstreet Boys. Years 2000 to 2011 belonged to Britney Spears, Eminem, Beyonce, Usher, Shakira, Lady Gaga and other artists (if memory serves me correctly, J.Lo, Jay-Z and Justin Timberlake were in the mix too). But what was perfectly clear in the video was that the last decade was made up exclusively of solo artists. There was one year when there were two winners: Green Day, a band and T.I., another solo artist. Was the world reluctant in sharing the throne to a group? And how did the world fall out of love with music groups?

The last musical group to earn worldwide fame (meaning more than just one good album both critically and commercially) was Destiny’s Child. Other groups may come to mind, for example The Pussycat Dolls, but they weren’t truly a musical group since the group basically consisted of Nicole Scherzinger, while the rest were treated similarly to how SM Entertainment treats Hyoyeon. The Pussycat Dolls were no different from Gwen Stefani and her Harajuku girls, and they spanned just one good album. The Sugababes did not even touch the epic that was Destiny’s Child. Then there was also Diddy‘s f(x) musical group Danity Kane and the one song that I liked just because it was mildly catchy and MTV played it on replay (since Diddy ‘discovered’ the group through an MTV reality show competition; something contractual probably). Destiny’s Child broke up sometime in the middle of the decade because they had run their course, and Beyonce became too strong a variable in the Child’s equation through her ventures as a solo artist . I mean, they had a lot of hits throughout the 1990s and early 2000s (and ex-members, but we’ll get to that later).

 

Simon Cowell was the last major producer who endorsed music groups with acts like Westlife and SClub7. His ever present image in the media is just like Park Jin-Young, albeit with a notable difference in attitude. But according to SPIN magazine, Cowell would be put to shame by the likes of SM Entertainment, in terms of how extensive a ‘brand’ or ‘act’ is developed and maintained by just one party. But in my opinion, the west is now experiencing a resurgence in the demand for musical groups. If not the west, then the rest of the world. And if the United States of America doesn’t continue to cater to the rest of the world, well then — should we start using the Korean Won when shopping online?

Anyway, this ‘thirst’ was probably lightly teased at first with High School Musical (HSM). But there were still solos and duets, right? The everyone-dancing, full-cast-singing happened in the beginning, in the middle and in the end, right? It was a just flicker of what groups could achieve in its audience because the highlight was still around Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens singing ‘Breaking Free’. And it was directed to the kids’ demographic. I imagine the amount of cringing non-children faces would double, triple or even quadruple had the HSM boys not been dancing with basketballs and the sport get-up as well as set-up while singing ‘Get Your Head In The Game’. It would have been too gender-bending, too shocking.

Then the third High School Musical played in theaters. After that came the clean, Christian-raised, innocent and purity ring bearers known as The Jonas Brothers who, despite the band set-up, did not hesitate to don tights and heels to a taping of ‘Single Ladies’. Then Simon Cowell introduced the opportunity for groups to partake in X-Factor UK, even though year after year, the winners would be the solo acts. And just this year did the X-Factor dip their toes into USA, without having American Idol even trying to have contestants compete as groups. 

But before X-Factor was unleashed in the North American market, there was another phenomenon that stormed the world (since practically anything America produces would have their chance with the whole universe). It’s phenomenon and success in the broadest of categories, reminiscent to that of Girls’ Generation, was perhaps a much larger tease than HSM, since it did not focus on another Jack and Rose, but rather on a group of people. We know them as Glee. Basically, Glee tackled the HSM-fan-grown-up demographic, teenagers, moms not put off by Kurt Hummel‘s homosexuality, moms who need to supervise their kids who are actually too young for some of the themes on Glee, homosexuals, and people who love musicals.

The initial ‘Don’t Stop Believin”’ with Rachel, Finn, Artie, Kurt, Tina and Mercedes from Episode 1 resonated so well with critics and viewers that I am now confident on one thing: the world thirsts for musical groups, whether they realize it or not. I think that the denial and reluctance of the world to completely embrace musical groups as they did in the 90s stems from how ‘gay’ or ‘girly’ musical groups look in the eyes of masses, or simply the fear of change present in the common man (which is everyone, no?). The two previous perceptions occurred with both High School Musical and Glee. Let’s stick to the status quo? The status quo of the past decade being solo acts. Even now, with K-pop, we are experiencing the same thing.

Who are advancing into the American market? Girls’ Generation, Wonder Girls, 2NE1. Their gender? Women.

Stylistically, the Wonder Girls tried to look like the background singers for Christina Aguilera‘s ‘Ain’t No Other Man’  while the Girls’ Generation took aegyo out of their repertoire, trading it for edgy high-fashion clothes, and even edgier sets (figuratively and literally). 2NE1 even provided three options of promotional pictures for their ‘To Anyone’ album. The ones for ‘Can’t Nobody’ looked the part of your typical J-pop and K-pop artists while still staying very individualistic, while ‘Go Away’ found them laden in leather, and the ‘Clap Your Hands” photos emitted tribal. Had they not looked so edgy like a rock-band with instruments and leather or had they wore the same clothes all throughout, would Will.I.Am still want to work with them? Maybe not.

Boy bands are a different case compared to girl groups especially when they are all wearing similarly flashy and tight outfit and are doing dances. But it’s cool and definetely fun to see that the K-pop boys are all still maintaining a diva-esque swagger to all the haters and deniers, what with the Super Junior boys making out with each other at Super Shows, Jo Kwon trying to dance ‘Abracadabra’ at every opportunity that arises, T.O.P trying to act like a full-fledged drag-queen from time-to-time, and even 2PM‘s all for one and one for all mentality when it came to the ‘I’ll Be Back’ guy-liner extravaganza.

What I find problematic with the new batch of Western music groups (NKOTBSB, Big Time Rush, The Wanted, From Above, Heart2Heart etc.) is that they try too hard in looking unmanufactured, when everyone knows how thoroughly they’ve been manufactured. And they’ve been manufactured as fast as they are going to come and go. You get what you give. No pain, no gain. For example, I probably have a deeper appreciation for Girls’ Generation just by knowing how long Hyoyeon hustled, in foreign countries nonetheless, just to sing three words in every song they release. K-pop groups give us songs that are thickly manufactured, but no one denies it and no one tries to make it sound like it wasn’t manufactured and went through the approval of 50 suited executives and board members. The new Western groups try to give you something that sounds like a sped-up John Mayer tune, when that sort of material isn’t suitable for winning new fans in the first place. It’s too thick when added to the task of remembering who’s who in the group, who’s wearing what, who sings what, who does what, who’s good at what and who looks like he or she’s going to bail on the rest on go off on an uber-successful solo career.

How did Destiny’s Child win over the world? Their song, “Imma say no no no no no, when it’s really yes yes yes yes yes,” was their first real hit so we shouldn’t be really surprised that Girls’ Generation won a nation with “Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby”. The Child’s other hits? ‘Bug A Boo’, ‘Bills Bills Bills’, ‘Say My Name’, ‘Survivor’, and other T-Ara and Kara-esque records where they repeat either a phrase, word, or syllable so many times that the song will surely resonate in your head for days (if you’re a new fan). K-pop is doing exactly this. For the moment.

When the MTV LED screen ended its walk through memory lane, I was happy when the 2NE1 as the best-new-band-in-the-world montage began to play. My 2NE1 is of Lady Gaga and Beyonce caliber? Heck yeah! Since the West, namely the United States of America, has so much influence over the world, especially when it comes to the entertainment industry, I find it justifiable to rephrase the question that I think needs to be answered by everyone before the Hallyu Wave breaks and reaches the shore: Does the world miss music groups?

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  • http://gossymer.livejournal.com/ gossymer

    While Destiny’s Child did have seriously catchy songs, whenever I think of their music I get this sense of female empowerment, which was something that set them apart IMO and carried them long past the point in the west when girl/boy groups reached saturation and the bubble popped. 

    “Independent Women” struck a cord with the masses, and I always found that the underlying themes in their songs were absolute gold – especially when contrasted with the the vacuous lyrics that are generally the trend for boy/girl groups.

    Over the decades though Top 40 songs seem to be focusing less on lyrics and more on what can get stuck in people’s heads. So in that sense if a group lands the right sort of producer, it might not be such a stretch to see success in the west.

    • Wickfan

      I agree many of the most popular female groups have the sense of empowerment or confidence for female

    • http://twitter.com/denzelwynter アシュリ (Ashley)

      I think if 2NE1 changed their direction to resemble an Asian version of DC or TLC then they might stand a chance. Theyy’ll just need to incorporate some trot and Korean folk into their music and they’ll be cool.

  • http://twitter.com/YGlover123 Atama

    I love whoever wrote this article! Let’s get married! hahaha JK 

  • Boo

    I’m glad you brought up Glee because I was watching their concert DVD recently and there was just a serious diversity in their audience. From little kids to teenagers to gays to middle aged and even older people. Everyone and their moms were there.People of all races were also well represented. The US is in need of a musical group whether they realize it or not. Most likely not because there is such a stigma attached to boy/girlbands and I can’t understand why because several talented kids for the price of 1? I mean, come on. I don’t know if the general public is ready for ASIAN musical groups tho. They will have to assimilate to the culture. Language, style, image, etc. Here’s hoping 2NE1 does not completely bomb. They should probably start with little features in songs. Maybe Will.I.Am?

    • Guest

      I agree. I think the main issue with these Asian groups trying to make it in America, is that it will be hard for them to garner a diverse audience. That is the reason why Glee works so well, because literally anyone can find themselves in each person in the group. Unfortunately, for groups like WonderGirls and SNSD, a person can not easily pinpoint who they may relate to. And honestly, to a lot of people in America, “Asians look the same.” So the main thing these groups should halt, is the silly matching outfits. And if you think about it, every American group act mentioned above after 2000, had a diverse group of people physically and nationally. I’ll stay optimistic to 2Ne1 though, because they do have the most Western sound.

  • Anon

    I am 90% sure Heart2heart is a parody.

    • http://twitter.com/NotMyBirthday21 Lakeisha

      Heart2Heart is not a parody and I am actually a fan of theirs. They actually have lots of fans. You haters will not win. Send your hate somewhere else. 

      • Anonymous

        You’re funny. I accidentally liked your comment.

        • http://twitter.com/NotMyBirthday21 Lakeisha

          I actually like Heart2Heart but then again. Everyone has their own taste.  They are not a parody though. I have actually spoken to David Lehre on twitter. This is a serious group. Not a parody. 

          • http://twitter.com/EvilFrenchFries Sol Power

            If you believe that I’ve got a bridge in brooklyn to sell you.

    • http://twitter.com/EvilFrenchFries Sol Power

      lol they are a parody but it’s hilarious that many people still don’t realize this.

  • elena

    I am baffled people actually think 2NE1 will make any kind of impact in the US. Where I live, if 2NE1 was shown to everyone, they would be labeled as ‘asian wannabes’ or ‘posers’ or ‘wannabe gangsters.’ And someone is bound make fun of their English and make racist comments. Sad but it’s the truth. I am most amazed by the Korean (people who live in Korea) fans who go on and on about any group making it big in the US. No one is interested here, I live here so I would know. The Korean media isn’t helping by exaggerating every move either.

    • Anonymous

      My thoughts exactly.

      I have been a fan of 2NE1 since Park Bom’s “We Belong Together” days and I am a very proud BlackJack but the reality is harsh and sad for Asian artists in general. I live in California where diversity is a major part our our well being and yet, people are still as racist as ever. Especially towards Asians and Latinos. 

      2NE1′s music and fashion will definitely be labeled as “Asian wannabes” and “posers” here in California and America. Blackjacks, K-pop fans, and the Korean media need to realize that the American market is not the same thing they have over there.

      I am really happy for 2NE1 that they get to work with Will.I.Am and that they are testing the U.S waters but in all honesty, I would really like them to stay in Asia and try to focus on Japan before they do anything else. I would like them to spend a couple of years promoting in Korea and Japan before they come here to the U.S. 

      Something like Big Bang: where they had debuted for quite awhile [2006] but debuted in Japan in 2009 and they have still yet to venture into the U.S. And that has done them some good as their albums have drastically improved each year and even their Japanese material is solid. That doesn’t include their solo albums and sub-units that were just completely awesome. 

      I would like 2NE1 to just stay where they are right now and improve there first before coming to the U.S.

      Anyways, wonderful article & wonderful comment “elena” ^^

      • nisean111 mack

        Honestly I think even Bigbang has a better chance in the US market than 2ne1, they seem more hands on and less manufactured as a group and in the production of their albums. Bigbang also experiments with different music genres plus the fact that their personalities are very in your face ”this is how I am” types( I mean especially GD you can’t get more “individualistic” than that lol). With 2ne1 I sometimes get confused with who they are as people but I never get confused with what direction their music is going because it’s predictable, which can a really be a bad thing long term seeing how well that worked for BEP.

    • http://twitter.com/EvilFrenchFries Sol Power

      I agree. I don’t see 2ne1 making an impact here as well. There might even be a backlash due to their try-hard image.

  • eboy07

    Maby here and there it will trigger some more teenie weenie fans but nothing more.

  • Anima

    British groups The Saturdays and One Direction (I hate this group sfm) are set to debut in the states next year. I personally love a good pop group (girls aloud is flawless) and think it’s only a matter of time- the sooner the better- one becomes successful again; a kpop group would be even better because it would be really diverse and may broaden korea’s cultural aspect somewhat. The chances of that being 2ne1 working with the likes of will.i.am who’s latest single is not doing so hot on the chart right now and who’s style of music and starpower was stronger roughly 1-2 years ago, I don’t know… not to be a hater, but I don’t think so.

    I genuinely think it would be one of those unexpected groups to be the REAL money makers for kpop in the western world. If they translated some T-ara songs such as ‘like the first time’ to english and released it via radio and clubs I could totally see their music being quite popular in certain areas of western europe tbh. Same goes for Infinite with ‘Be Mine’ and loads of their unpromoted tracks and most songs by rainbow imo.

    I totally love this article btw.

    • Kimchimahnseh

      Don’t forget JLS! The British are releasing the groups!

    • http://www.twitter.com/veiledheart VeiledHeart

      The Sats are debuting in the US… :/  I love them, but I don’t see it for them.

      Girls aloud is my everything. I need them to come back now.

      • http://twitter.com/denzelwynter アシュリ (Ashley)

        If the Sugababes couldn’t do it, the Sats, JLS and the Wanted will not. The Babes were among the most talented and successful pop groups to come out of the UK. The Sats have a better chance tho.

        • http://www.twitter.com/veiledheart VeiledHeart

          I just don’t hear anything in The Sats current music that leads me to believe that they will pop in the US. I need them to get better material overall truthfully. Sometimes I feel like their songs just lack that extra little bit that will truly grab you. All Fired Up started off good, but it felt like a whole lot of build up that went nowhere. 

  • ggoma

    Well, I hate musicals, lol. But I do see Musicals as being popular. But a musical =/= a group.
    To me, bands like 1tym or groups with a smaller number of members who are all equally talented will always be more successful in America. Thing about Americans over the age of 15 is that we really want talent to go with the good looks. Idols are sold first and foremost on their looks. In America, that can only go so far which is why boy bands and girl bands are pretty much dead once you reach high school except for a certain target audience that likes them. But if you look at collaborations or smaller groups – they have longer term prospects for success.

    I don’t think any Kpop group could be marketable to anyone over 15. And to be honest, in Korea, most people who like idols are similar to that age group. Idol music, frankly, is not that popular in Korea out of high school. People know the songs, they know the people, but besides Ajusshi/Ajummah fans who are bored out of their mind or have a fetish and school kids, pretty much no one takes idols seriously – especially when it comes to music.

    To me a group like Clazziquai could easily be successful in America. Or 1Tym. Or EpikHigh. But thing is these groups don’t have enough international fans to get noticed really, because the fans are to into the eye candy.

    But I predict/hope that as idol fans mature, the Kmusic that they are interest in will also evolve and bring more attention to groups that are much more deserving of the attention, in my honest opinion.

    • Opoppanaxx

      1tYm and Epik High are very western though. It’s just that they’re not white and tall And that’s the setback. They might be more lyrically gifted (Epik high) but wouldnt it always be monkey see, monkey do?

  • happyslip

    But, Will. I. Am was already working with them before they released To Anyone. Actually Will. I. Am aside, the first US talks 2ne1 had was with Jimmy Iovine. It was Jimmy apparently who took notice of CL, and that eventually led to the rest of 2ne1 getting some sort of “possibility” to go there in the future. Secondly, it’s not much of a stretch with Will actually working with them if ever. Minus the glaring style 2ne1 usually has, their music is the closest to what Will makes.

    Anyway, I honestly don’t know who among these groups will have some success. A lot of people say it’s 2ne1 and while I do wish the best for them, it’s really difficult to say because there’s no guarantee considering how big and competitive even their supposed target market is. As for the “image”, I think adjustments can be made so I don’t really worry about it. I remember saying no to WGs motown concept in America, but their recent Wonder World stuff could definitely up their chances.But 2ne1 and America is often talked about, can we focus first on their Japanese stuff? LOL. They’re releasing new material on Feb., here’s to hoping they improve their promotions there before jumping straight to the US. Seriously, I want them to be more aggressive in Japan first —  it’s going to be a good learning experience for them if they’re able to increase their success in a market that is being so elusive to them lately.

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/zs7ITR93moWQEekTSwzTHR9j1u.Z2xEl0w--#542b8 LoL

    this might be the best article to ever come out of seoulbeats. though i don’t agree with everything, it’s still very interesting and it doesn’t seem so forced like most of the articles in this site.

  • Anonymous

    Good article! Personally, I believe it largely has to do with the group and its talented. Many of the girl groups the US has seen often come off as “hoes,” pretty woman with not much talent but sex to sell. Still, I don’t believe people are entirely adverse to groups, there just needs to be the right one that people will like. I still think boy groups like SHINee will be thought of as Bieber and JoBros-like first and foremost and people might initially see 2ne1 as posers. But I’m not as negative as some people appear to be. Maybe I’m just naive but I think people are more welcoming of new groups and change.

    All your comparisons were good but I want to say some things about a few. Glee is a good comparison but there are more dynamics that go along with Glee than Kpop. Glee is primarily a television show and it gets its fanbase from there, and Glee’s message of equality and acceptance hone true with a lot of people. People of different races, sexualities, and situations can relate to one or more characters. As for HSM – I HATE HSM. I liked it when I was in middle school but then I eventually hated the movie series and wondered why I liked it in the first place. And this pretty much rings true with everyone else over the age of 14.  And I think people’s perception of these shows is different than that of boy/girl groups. People percieve HSM and Glee as they would musicals, seeing characters and a story behind the song, not just a group name (if that makes sense).

    • http://twitter.com/NotMyBirthday21 Lakeisha

      I’m 20 years old and my friends and I still love High School Musical. My mother even likes High School Musical and she is in her 50s. High School Musical was loved by many people, of all different age groups. So please do not say that
      everyone over the age of 14 hates High School Musical. That is a big lie. The reason why High School Musical became such a hit, was because EVERYONE loved it. 

      • Anonymous

        Sorry to have offended you, I was speaking from personal experience. Everyone I know hates High School Musical and I typically see it regarded with scorn whenever it’s brought up, online or in real life. But maybe I’m just meeting all the wrong people. I apologize for offending you.

        • http://twitter.com/NotMyBirthday21 Lakeisha

          Thank You

    • Mija

      Plus the people in Glee and HSM can sing their asses off while most idols can’t

  • cheekybo

    lol, the west has plenty of music groups…except they’re called “bands” and they play instruments~ :P

    • https://me.yahoo.com/a/zs7ITR93moWQEekTSwzTHR9j1u.Z2xEl0w--#542b8 LoL

      maybe that’s why the author decided to call them groups and not bands? “:P”

      • cheekybo

        touche! :D

  • Meanie

    First time commenting…

    This article reminds me of something that Boyz II Men said in a recent article about boy/girl groups and why you don’t see them today: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/04/boyz-ii-mens-nathan-morri_n_1128601.html

    Here are some of the quotes:

    How do you feel about R&B in general right now? Has the genre drastically changed?

    Honestly, there are no singing groups. I can’t name you one right
    now, literally not one. And I think that’s the product of an Internet
    age. I think we’re in a selfish age, and what I mean by that is YouTube,
    all these things are about the individual, show themselves, see what
    they can do. Nobody really wants to come together and try things.

    You’re saying people are more selfish now about their music.

    I think people are into themselves more today than they used to be.
    There’s no humility in artists anymore. People believe in themselves so
    much, and it’s not confidence so much, it’s arrogance. Everything’s “all
    about me,” you know?

    Did you guys ever consider adapting your music at all? Trying to sound like what’s on the radio now?

    This is just what we like to do. Those other things are great, but
    that’s not the core of who we are. You know, we didn’t sell 60 million
    records to people who listen to that, we sold them to people who listen
    to what we do. Nowadays the industry — it’s not a music industry, its
    more a sound industry. What sounds you can put on your voice, how you
    can affect it, how weird you can make a record sound. No one really goes
    onstage live and sings the way they’re supposed to sing.

    I think the last couple of sentences sums up what the problem is, there is no music industry but a sound industry.  Also I think just like everything else groups will make a comeback, it just won’t be on the scale that it used to be.

  • Capri08

    In the US as far as groups goes, there have not been many, especially ones who could have topped Destiny’s Child. Are their girl and guy group in the US…….Yes! 
    Do you hear from them,….. not unless your a fan of them. Now here’s the problem that k-pop girl or boy group are going to face when they try to come into the US market. They are going the remind the US audience of the tween idols in the US.I know, I know…Oh No!! but it’s true.The Wonder Girls are prime examples, they were working in the US. Putting out their single “No one”. But then they made the mistake of going on tour with the Jonas Brothers and doing an Documentary with Nickelodeon ( I believe it was). So what music are they going to be group with……..”Tween Craze”. Did they receive some success? Yes.  More than others? Yes. But was it the success they were going for……No.And when your entered in with the “Tweens”, they are going to complete with all those “tween idols” who have their own shows and albums, and have a loyal fan base. In S.Korea,…yeah they are considered music artists regardless of what age group listens to them. But in the US not so much. Now if Girls’ Generation or 2NE1 tried to make it out of the “Tweens”. They are going up against these adult groups. Whose lyrics, image, and even stage presents’ might be more mature their they are able to do (not talking about just sex). And they will be completing with the Beyonce(s), Lady Gaga(s), KatyPerry(s) etc. of the US. The same can be said of the boys groups. Don’t get me wrong, I believe some k-pop groups and solo artists can have success in US, in fact some already have, but will they receive the success they have/had in the rest of the parts of Asia…NO! *And on a personal note I just don’t think Girls’ Generation can do it. As for 2NE1, they might be able to come out of  the “Tweens”, but the need more polishing before debuting in the US.

  • Mija

    I think that in the US its not that we don’t like groups anymore but we like artists who write their own songs or compose their own music and are very involved in their craft. Groups that are put together by a company who gives them a concept and an images and tells them what to sing are not going to do well here. I mean even the rappers who write the dumbest most meaningless songs still write their own songs and can be considered artists so I just don’t see people who are just pretty faces who aren’t involved in their own music doing well in the US. If a group debuted that was involved in every aspect of their music they would probably do well as long as their songs are good and they are good performers. 

    • tectonic

      yessssssssss individuality seems to be trending right now
      also explains why gdragon is so coveted

    • iraaa

      There’s also those who don’t write their own music, usually pop acts like Britney/Mariah Carey etc but the difference between them and the kpop groups is that they are actually involved in their own albums. They are the ones who decide what concept they’re going for, what songs/composers they want etc in other words, creative control. The kpop groups lack this. The fact that IU took the time to be so involved in her recent album is definitely to be lauded, she’s certainly going to grow as an artist.

      • pammiej85

        Even Britney has written her own music since her sophomore album.

  • http://twitter.com/denzelwynter アシュリ (Ashley)

    THE SUGABABES 1.0 to 3.0 were one of the best groupd to ever come out of the UK.

  • Anonymous

    No K-POP group will make an impact here of any kind. 

    What we need is an Asian woman with the vocals of Whitney Houston x Celine Dion x Adele.

    We need someone of exceptional talent and passion. Enough talent and stage presence to overlook the Asian part. A mediocre girl group is not going to impress anybody.

    The Wonder Girls are using the best route. They are targeting a young audience. 
    Everyone else will fail.

    • Boo

      There’s Charice. Backed by Oprah, been on Ellen, been on Glee.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, exactly. Voice of an angel. Also a soloist. You proved my point. Thank you.

    • Anonymous

      Ailee is a new Korean vocalist. She sung a tribute to Whitney Houston. 

  • tectonic

    Are kpop groups even really groups? Members hardly ever sing together, there are no intricate harmonies, etcetc… I feel like many idols are in groups because they would not be able to make it as a solo artist

  • Arbitrary_greay

    You mean “Music Groups: Is America so over it?”Because look at this Wikipedia description of English/Irish girlgroup Girls Aloud:
    “The group achieved a string of twenty consecutive top ten singles, including four number ones, and two number one albums in the United Kingdom. All of their albums have been certified platinum, with two selling over one million copies. They have been nominated for five Brit Awards, winning the 2009 Best Single for “The Promise”.
    Girls Aloud’s collaborations with Brian Higgins and his songwriting and production team Xenomania have earned the group critical acclaim. The group has become one of the few UK reality television acts to achieve continued success, amassing a fortune of £25 million by May 2010. Guinness World Records lists them as “Most Successful Reality TV Group” in the 2007 edition. They also hold the record for “Most Consecutive Top Ten Entries in the UK by a Female Group” in the 2008 edition, and are credited again for “Most Successful Reality TV Group” in the 2011 edition.”

    America =/= entire West

    • iraaa

      I was thinking Girls Aloud throughout the whole article. Also, the success of 1Direction.

  • Pr3vail

    I really hate the whole break into the West concept, because it’s obvious that the ‘West’ refers to America. It’s kinda ironic how pretty much every single artist that has ever come out of America reaches international success very easily. While artists from Britain, Australia, and Canada have to work twice has hard to break it into the international market as well as the American music market. So if English (not American) speaking artists are having problems getting recognized in America, then I really don’t see how Kpop artists can succeed in America. A big example is American born Utada Hikaru, one of the most underrated artists of the decade. For the last ten years she has had album after album out with no real recognition from the America music market, however, her popularity in Japan is ridiculous. And it even took Adele awhile to gain recognition from America, while she received instant popularity in Britain. Certified platinum, her second album was number 1 on charts in over 20 countries worldwide. What I’m trying to say is Kpop idols should strive to do well in the Asian market, Japan is a major music market being the second biggest next to only the American music market.  Trying to break into America just seems like a wild dream, it doesn’t seem possible, American’s are the harshest critics in every way, and they dominate all the major industries.If Se7en and Boa couldn’t make it in the American Music Market, what makes the other Kpop idols different? Only time will tell I guess, *le sigh* I just hope their spirit is not broken when they are introduced into the harsh, demanding and discriminating world.

  • Anonymous

    Are you kidding me? The West is too narcissistic to be group-oriented!

    Joking aside, I’d like to look at it like this: In order for the Western artists to even impress, they have to have decent writing ability. By comparison, the Eastern artists just have to look pretty for the most part and what they make up in lack of creativity is strength in numbers.

  • G.

    It’s annoying that people are shooting down k-pop attempts to debut in Western countries before they even think about doing it. With the obvious exception of SNSD.

    Look, no matter what the do, there are always going to be naysayers and people cheering on their efforts. But ultimately, all the speculation being done is pointless. K-pop groups are not NSYNC. They’re not BSB. They’re not SCLUB7. And people are overestimating (or just plain unknowledgeable) about the way the music scene in here in America or Europe works.

    Why?

    Because if the music is GOOD, like legitimately mindfuckingly amazingly good, then it won’t matter what country they’re from or how many people are in the group. Good music is good music and it will be accepted if it truly is quality eargasm shit.

  • Anonymous

    First, I want to say that Glee is mainly focused on Rachel and Finn. With your example of “Don’t stop believing”, who sang most of the song?
    I don’t think Glee is the right example when it comes to groups.
    Glee is a phenomenon, true, but it is first and foremost a show. Without the show and its stories, I wouldn’t know those guys. And when the show is over, each of them will go their separate ways. 
    As for using Destiny’s Child as an example, the difference between them and SNSD or Kara is: the vocal skills. Each member of the DC can sing, whatever anyone will say, they CAN.
    But in K-pop groups, you will always find one or several member that can’t sing to save their life.
    I am happy that 2ne1 won the MTV iggy award but I don’t really think the West (namely, America -_-’) will embrace groups as well as 90s-2000 music groups.
    The only groups that are really booming in the West are dance groups/crews nowadays.
    You will still find some music groups that mark shows such as Britain got talent but you won’t hear about them again after the show.
    To appeal a broader public, K-pop groups will need more than what they are giving right now (included 2ne1). Better stage presence (charisma people ^^), better grasp of the English language.