• http://twitter.com/amane_tengteng7 joanne tan

    Because the Asian culture is such that they usually maintain a distance with the opposite gender as opposed to the Western culture. Even amongst friends, you won’t see a guy and a girl hugging or linking arms unless they’re super close or its bf and gf. So its considered ok to do these things with people of the same gender since hey, you are both girls/guys anyway.

  • umulkhayr hussein

    Jaejoong and SHINee members in my eyes are also not as masculine as Westerners may percieve. But in my eyes and many others they are as beautiful as every other Channing Tatum wanna-be out there. ;)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5MXM3LOV7HCSUK56SAA2CMHMPU JABA

    What is interesting is that these flower boys are manlier than manly men. What I mean is they practice martial arts, are not afraid to be in the kitchen and treat women as if we were God’s gift to them. Lee Jun Ki, who is my favourite go to guy for ultimate pretty, just finished his army service and can bench press some serious weights. Yet he has a face to make me jealous.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5MXM3LOV7HCSUK56SAA2CMHMPU JABA

    We are merely fans. We do not sign these artists’ paychecks. Whoever does will dictate how they portray themselves. In the West head honchos are very set in their ways and old and with some really archaic ideas. If Kpop ever comes to the States they will have to change. Most of the American born  K-pop stars are happier performing in Asia and I bet it is because they are all too aware of how it would be for them if they had to perform here.

  • http://twitter.com/MRD_Smuffy Mahalia R-D

    I got into k-pop despite having the typical Westerner’s view on manliness, so I hope many others can change as well ^^

  • rosselinspire

    I really hope Shinee isn’t going to be marketed in the West, not because I don’t support them, but because I’m afraid of the treatment they’d get. At my school (in Australia), Kpop stars receive more ridicule than Justin Bieber and the Jonas Brothers combined. It’s gotten to the point where Kpop fans can’t talk about their music unless in the company of other fans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eske.candia Eske Candia

    I do not really know these guys. I have seen posters of them though and have glimpses of them on TV and internet. I can say their image really do not go with the norm. I cannot really tell if they are homeoexuals (that’s their business anyway), but the way they look and dress is very effeminate. They actually remind me of Boy George, a popular gay icon in the 80s. A lot of musicians wear make-up and “glammed” themselves but they can still manage to appear masculine. It may be difficult for them to penetrate the Western market but who knows, they may continue the trend that German band, Tokio Hotel has started. Their androgynous looks has helped build mystique and has attracted hordes of female fans.

  • http://roseminty.tumblr.com/ Roseminty

    I stopped reading after the first paragraph. Not only does it imply that being gay is somehow offensive or wrong, but it also seems to suggest that femininity=gay and masculinity=straight. Um, wtf. Seriously.

    • Sarah Hammel

      That’s actually the exact opposite of what the article states. You should finish reading it.

      • http://roseminty.tumblr.com/ Roseminty

        You’re right; I was too quick to judge. Sometimes my temper gets the best of me. I did read the whole thing, and I take back what I said about masculinity and femininity. But I still dislike the first couple sentences. If someone called a Kpop guy “gay,” I would be neither infuriated nor offended. I may attempt to explain the Kpop culture and that that’s just how a lot of guys look (gay or not), but I wouldn’t jump to the idol’s defense. As Johnny Galecki said, “Why defend yourself [or in this case, a Kpop idol] against something that isn’t offensive?”

  • http://twitter.com/TianaMaryHelena Tiana Birmingham

    Good article, you really understand Kpop and the relation between the pretty man idols and international fans

  • Cachet Bland

    I doubt that differences between the Western world and the Asian culture or K-Pop culture, will ever be fully excepted as one or equal. Of course their are people who except it, but in general I think most would disagree with the “flower boy” image or the idea that more muscle, body hair and a deep voice makes you a “real” man. That’s just how it is; not how it SHOULD be. Hopefully the two aspects can collide and except one another. I personally think Asian K-Pop boys are generally gorgeous and some are even better looking than girls. There are some boys though, that look too feminine for my taste like Infinite’s maknae Sung Jong, although I really do like him and think he really pretty. It makes me think sometimes if he would make a good boyfriend. It’s just a thought not a hurtful jab. I honestly like their culture and it’s sad that some people call it gay =_= Just because it’s different doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

    • Tornibbon91

      Out of curiosity what does being pretty have anything to do with being a good boyfriend?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000328195514 Cutee Mc Deck

    This is actually hilarious because…ummm you do know its mostly so called “westeners” that love kpop where as the asians love english music..and also..I swear I was about to fly through this fking computer if u placed tvxq/jyj/dbsk’s pictures there one more time..I actually find Jaejoong and Yoochun very masculine compared to other males around me and the males around me are 100% straight so I don’t get why Jaejoong is up here..umm so what did he ask for Pristine skin and the features God gave him? and I actually have never called Jaejoong pretty,beautiful or w.e the fk you called him I always called Jaejoong and Yoochun handsome and Yes Jaejoong is my bias but when I come down to stating the truth I always just let shit fly stripping away the bias title if I saw Jaejoong as Gay I would’ve said fk it your right he’s a tad girly or yeah he’s gay but to be honest..I have never seen Jaejoong as being girly..I apologise for him being so handsome and being born with his looks and so it makes u question his masculinity ummm yeah…I’m sorry -shrugs-

  • Averi Baker

    The article was interesting. I love SHINee to death, but as a Shawol I would not get mad if they are compared to Justin because I love him to death also. But really tho…did you have to use SHINee as examples so many times?.. I personally see a lot of masculine attributes in the SHINee members, but a couple of them just happen to have feminine features. 

    SM would be crazy to try to send SHINee out here. SNSD hasn’t even put a glitch in the US yet but that’s because the US don’t see them as anything new. We had boy and girl groups for years already, and they are not bringing anything new to the table. 

    There are many open-minded Westerners out here, but there is still a majority that won’t understand why we like K-POP. A lot of people I’ve let listen to kpop feel as if its nothing special, it sounds the same but just in another language. 

    Back to the article. lol. Not all K-pop idols are gay, and even if some are who are we to judge. If the west doesn’t like them then its their lost.

  • FlaminMinho

    SHINee should have debuted instead of the other groups. I think a boy band will work better than a girl band because most fans of kpop are girls. I think they should debut with Ring Ding Dong though and not Lucifer. 

  • Anja

    Honestly, I’ve hated this ‘pretty guy look’ since I’ve started watching
    kdramas. I like the dramas but the make-up thing annoys the hell out of
    me. I’m from Europe and guys here never wear make-up so it’s really
    weird seeing guys looking so effeminate. Sometimes I just feel like
    throwing up. How can you be attracted to someone that looks so girly. :D
    I’m always attracted to masculine guys. :P Out of the boy groups, Big
    Bang look the most manly but they could still not use any visible make
    up. An example of a video that looks utterly horrific to me is No Other
    by Super Junior. It looks so gay and they look so girly and the voices
    sound so girly … I’m really shocked anyone could call them idols. The
    only one from the group that looks okay is Donghae but he shouldn’t use
    such girly moves :S and of course he shouldn’t wear any make-up. And
    Siwon looks so ugly especially because I think he’s had a big plastic
    surgery done and it just looks horrible.

  • Anja

    Honestly, I’ve hated this ‘pretty guy look’ since I’ve started watching
    kdramas. I like the dramas but the make-up thing annoys the hell out of
    me. I’m from Europe and guys here never wear make-up so it’s really
    weird seeing guys looking so effeminate. Sometimes I just feel like
    throwing up. How can you be attracted to someone that looks so girly. :D
    I’m always attracted to masculine guys. :P Out of the boy groups, Big
    Bang look the most manly but they could still not use any visible make
    up. An example of a video that looks utterly horrific to me is No Other
    by Super Junior. It looks so gay and they look so girly and the voices
    sound so girly … I’m really shocked anyone could call them idols. The
    only one from the group that looks okay is Donghae but he shouldn’t use
    such girly moves :S and of course he shouldn’t wear any make-up. And
    Siwon looks so ugly especially because I think he’s had a big plastic
    surgery done and it just looks horrible.

  • Anja

    Honestly, I’ve hated this ‘pretty guy look’ since I’ve started watching
    kdramas. I like the dramas but the make-up thing annoys the hell out of
    me. I’m from Europe and guys here never wear make-up so it’s really
    weird seeing guys looking so effeminate. Sometimes I just feel like
    throwing up. How can you be attracted to someone that looks so girly. :D
    I’m always attracted to masculine guys. :P Out of the boy groups, Big
    Bang look the most manly but they could still not use any visible make
    up. An example of a video that looks utterly horrific to me is No Other
    by Super Junior. It looks so gay and they look so girly and the voices
    sound so girly … I’m really shocked anyone could call them idols. The
    only one from the group that looks okay is Donghae but he shouldn’t use
    such girly moves :S and of course he shouldn’t wear any make-up. And
    Siwon looks so ugly especially because I think he’s had a big plastic
    surgery done and it just looks horrible.

  • Anja

    Honestly, I’ve hated this ‘pretty guy look’ since I’ve started watching
    kdramas. I like the dramas but the make-up thing annoys the hell out of
    me. I’m from Europe and guys here never wear make-up so it’s really
    weird seeing guys looking so effeminate. Sometimes I just feel like
    throwing up. How can you be attracted to someone that looks so girly. :D
    I’m always attracted to masculine guys. :P Out of the boy groups, Big
    Bang look the most manly but they could still not use any visible make
    up. An example of a video that looks utterly horrific to me is No Other
    by Super Junior. It looks so gay and they look so girly and the voices
    sound so girly … I’m really shocked anyone could call them idols. The
    only one from the group that looks okay is Donghae but he shouldn’t use
    such girly moves :S and of course he shouldn’t wear any make-up. And
    Siwon looks so ugly especially because I think he’s had a big plastic
    surgery done and it just looks horrible.

  • Anja

    Honestly, I’ve hated this ‘pretty guy look’ since I’ve started watching
    kdramas. I like the dramas but the make-up thing annoys the hell out of
    me. I’m from Europe and guys here never wear make-up so it’s really
    weird seeing guys looking so effeminate. Sometimes I just feel like
    throwing up. How can you be attracted to someone that looks so girly. :D
    I’m always attracted to masculine guys. :P Out of the boy groups, Big
    Bang look the most manly but they could still not use any visible make
    up. An example of a video that looks utterly horrific to me is No Other
    by Super Junior. It looks so gay and they look so girly and the voices
    sound so girly … I’m really shocked anyone could call them idols. The
    only one from the group that looks okay is Donghae but he shouldn’t use
    such girly moves :S and of course he shouldn’t wear any make-up. And
    Siwon looks so ugly especially because I think he’s had a big plastic
    surgery done and it just looks horrible.

  • Anja

    Honestly, I’ve hated this ‘pretty guy look’ since I’ve started watching
    kdramas. I like the dramas but the make-up thing annoys the hell out of
    me. I’m from Europe and guys here never wear make-up so it’s really
    weird seeing guys looking so effeminate. Sometimes I just feel like
    throwing up. How can you be attracted to someone that looks so girly. :D
    I’m always attracted to masculine guys. :P Out of the boy groups, Big
    Bang look the most manly but they could still not use any visible make
    up. An example of a video that looks utterly horrific to me is No Other
    by Super Junior. It looks so gay and they look so girly and the voices
    sound so girly … I’m really shocked anyone could call them idols. The
    only one from the group that looks okay is Donghae but he shouldn’t use
    such girly moves :S and of course he shouldn’t wear any make-up. And
    Siwon looks so ugly especially because I think he’s had a big plastic
    surgery done and it just looks horrible.

  • Anja

    Honestly, I’ve hated this ‘pretty guy look’ since I’ve started watching
    kdramas. I like the dramas but the make-up thing annoys the hell out of
    me. I’m from Europe and guys here never wear make-up so it’s really
    weird seeing guys looking so effeminate. Sometimes I just feel like
    throwing up. How can you be attracted to someone that looks so girly. :D
    I’m always attracted to masculine guys. :P Out of the boy groups, Big
    Bang look the most manly but they could still not use any visible make
    up. An example of a video that looks utterly horrific to me is No Other
    by Super Junior. It looks so gay and they look so girly and the voices
    sound so girly … I’m really shocked anyone could call them idols. The
    only one from the group that looks okay is Donghae but he shouldn’t use
    such girly moves :S and of course he shouldn’t wear any make-up. And
    Siwon looks so ugly especially because I think he’s had a big plastic
    surgery done and it just looks horrible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chibijoshie Josh Chinnery

    I really never saw the point of equating feminine men to gay; it’s ridiculous to me. You’re very right that it’s done out of spite and jealousy, because let’s be honest; those pretty boys could bag more girls in an hour than the average Joe could in a year.

    Also, I disagree that people are less likely to call GD or T.O.P gay. Now, I am not implying these guys are gay in any way, but G-D is a fashionista; male fashionistas are ALWAYS called gay, regardless of any other feature or attribute they posses. Watch any video of the dude (except the BIGBANG drama parodies) and you’ll see that GD has a very masculine demeanor, but no; he’s fashionable, so he’s gay. And T.O.P will be called gay because of his association with GD and he likes to make weird facial expressions.

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  • Azumichan

    This article was very interesting, informative but most of all made me think. As a Japanese – born in US, I was pretty okay and accepted Kpop quite easily. But that could be because my sister was a mega kpop fan. Although I’m a YGstan, I was first introduced to kpop through SNSD and the former TVXQ before the split. I thought SNSD was overly girly, but I could relate to it b/c of AKB48 and the like. However, for TVXQ…I thought they were incredibly talented vocal-wise but I was admittedly pretty shocked with JYJ’s Jaejoong’s “prettiness”, “effeminate looks”. I knew Arashi, Hey Sey Jump!, but they were what the Japanese call your typical “yasai-otoka (vegetable boys)” meaning the not so muscular, skinny, studious types which is whats “hot” in Japan these past years. However, they still didn’t ooze the extremely effeminate appeal. i would have compared Jaejoong to Gackt or Hyde but they definitely have manliness/sex appeal oozing out of them. Despite their extremely pretty looks.

    I think what’s a critical part is about kpop boy-groups is the blatant use of make-up. I won’t say Jpop/UK/American male artists don’t use them – cause that would be a lie. However, Kpop definately tops the othe countries’ artists usage concerning make-up. They use A LOT and when i showed one kpop boy group to my mom, the first thing she said was, “wow. that’s a lot of make up”. It’s different if it they were a visual-key rock band, because that’s part of the music genre: the elaborate fashion, make-up and great vocal-skill. i.e. Gackt, and Hyde of L’arc En Ciel/VAMPS.

    Still, the group that might make it will be groups that have a beaastly image or if some of them went Solo: i.e., Taeyang of BigBang

  • Nade Sade

    “But skinship and cross-dressing will probably never be liked, understood, or accepted.” I disagree with this statement. There’s this American tv show called Supernatural that has mastered the art of female fan service exploiting skinship between its pretty boy main characters, 2 of them who happen to be brothers… yeah, straight and non-incenstuous as they may be the Dean/Sam, Dean/Cas etc fanservice is heavy in that show, the show even addresses the former explicitly and the latter with obvious tongue-in-cheek jokes. Add this to the fact that Western female fanfiction authors have been shipping straight characters from tv shows for years and you have a growing awareness, and growing understanding, on the part of tv producers etc, on the desire for skinship between attractive, coded as straight male characters. It’s not perfect, and there’s still a lot more understanding to be done, but in the words of the Biebs, I believe this is a ‘never say never’ type deal.