The Wonder Girls go Modern?

Sorry if I’m being overbearing about SNSD but I know the most about them because I’m constantly seeing them on Tumblr all the time and it drives me insane occasionally. Lol I do use them as an example way too much.

I know pretty much nothing about Wonder Girls, having never paid attention to them or listened to their songs. But I’ve heard good things about them from many people so I assumed that they were a great group. This is a silly mistake of mine and I’m sorry if it offends anyone who thinks otherwise.

The point I was trying to make in my comment above, the one you replied to, is that working hard doesn’t make up for a lack of talent, not that lack of talent equals success. I hate that excuse people have when it comes to Kpop groups, that the groups “works hard.” They all work hard. I didn’t mean it about SNSD especially, but for Kpop as a whole. I’m sorry if I confused you or anyone else. I liked reading your comment, though. I find your opinions very interesting.

“Plus, Wondergirls did exactly the same thing as SNSD to get their success. Put on a crappy hook song that everyone loves. ” Correction: SNSD did exactly the same thing  as Wonder Girls did. Put on a crappy hook song that everyone loves. There’s a difference there. I’m not saying that SNSD copy WG but I do know that WG were the first to have 3 consecutive popular hook songs that every one can easily dance to, sing to, listen to. WG released 3 hook songs and it all went viral, then Brown Eyed Girls with Abracadabra went viral too because go figure it’s a hook song with signature dance moves, then you can name all the hook songs started to come out. SNSD “Gee” for example, they made a huge change compare to their debut songs like “Into the new world” “Kissing You” which was not really a hook song.  Then after a while of hiatus, they come out with a hook song and released other crappy hook songs with signature dancing moves just like WG did years before them. 

I wasn’t out there to say SNSD is better than Wonder Girls. But that WG is no better than SNSD. which imo they aren’t.

Well if 2ne1 and missA don’t want it- great. Then let SNSD have it. And I’m not sure there’s any girl group out there that gets catchy material up to SNSD’s standards. T-ara tries, but half their music bombs, even when compared to the already bomb-ish SNSD material. Secret is becoming obsolete in music. And not to mention SNSD’s packaging as a whole is a lot better than the rest.

I don’t think it’s fair to compare other performers to Beyonce because she’s absolutely amazing. I mean, that woman’s a GODDESS. As a woman, I feel empowered by just looking at her.

I’ve never heard WG live or listened to their songs, I’ve just taken other people’s word for granted that they’re good, which is always a bad thing to do. As for SNSD, I’ve always thought they were overhyped. I don’t consider them horrendously bad, just not good enough to be as popular and beloved as they are. The girls themselves seem sweet and likable and hard-working, but that shouldn’t make up for lack of talent. I would say that SNSD has as much talent as Britney, Katy Perry, and Kesha, but is subpar compared to Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Adele, and Christina. Individually, they wouldn’t measure up to any of those performers. Their live performanes are always weird in that they have a huge variety of MR Removed. Some MRs prove them to be very, very bad while in others they sound good. But they always have assistance. Even in their good MR removed videos, you can tell that they’re off-key, a little weak, and overall not as strong as they are with the music in the background. Another thing I noticed is that it’s hard to judge a vocalist’s singing if they’re singing in another language. This sounds weird but it’s true. I’m waiting for MR Removed videos of their upcoming “The Boys” song in NYC.

Here some recent MR Removed videos of SNSD:

The Boys -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tJgvzD_Rbk
Mr. Taxi (Korean) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkaTOBfJnOw

Warning about MRs: not all are done correctly. If you can can’t hear the fans, it’s done incorrectly. If you can still hear the beat or the music, it’s done incorrectly. If it’s done to a music video, it doesn’t count because voices in music videos are enhanced. MRs need to be done live to judge a group’s ability.

Whoa there. You are way over-generalizing. I agree that WG as a single unit isn’t solid in the vocals department, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that Sunye or Ye Eun are are terrible singers… especially Ye Eun. It’s also equally as ludicrous to claim that Taeyeon of SNSD is a terrible singer. So if you’re talking about live performances of the whole group overall, I see what you’re saying. But you seem to be so quick to dismiss that it comes across as also implying that every single member of these groups is terrible at singing, which I find a bit ridiculous.

Look, I’m not saying the good singers in K-pop are like Gaga or Beyonce level (I don’t think anyone in the WORLD is at Beyonce level… the only K-pop idol girl that remotely comes close is SISTAR’s Hyorin… but to say that is still a BIG stretch). And I do think that the Korean music industry at the moment is lacking in the mega-talented-superstar-artist-soloist-musician department and catering too much to appearances and trends. But it doesn’t negate the fact that there ARE still idols that are excellent singers in the K-pop industry, even if they are in the minority.

You’re like… dissing an entire culture’s industry based on selective examples. I agree – Japanese soloist females like Koda Kumi and Utada are phenomenal live. But to compare them to SNSD is like comparing them to Japan’s AKB48. Duh, the mature female soloists are better vocalists than young, gimmicky, nubile groups of dancing girls. It’s not even a fair comparison. It would make more sense if you compared these Japanese soloists to Korean soloist counterparts like Lee Haeri of Davichi, or Lena Park. In the same vein, it doesn’t make any sense to be comparing Adele to girl idol groups (their target audience/genres are completely different); it makes more sense to be comparing her to someone like Insooni.

Koda Kumi has been around for less years than AKB48, and she is anything but “mature” in Japan she is just another pop star..

Your point in invalid.

I’m not the authority on AKB48, so perhaps they were not the perfect example to use. In that aspect, thank you for correcting me. However, it seems that you have a tendency to hone in on the detail without acknowledging the big picture of what people are trying to say, and you’re in such a rush to be defensive about technicalities that you miss the overall point. I left enough context clues in my writing to elude perfectly well to what I meant, even if I didn’t give the perfect example. I can tell you’re trying to keep it harshly real which is good – but your attitude is kind of off-putting, honestly. It’s like you make sweeping generalizations, and then spend the rest of the time nit picking at tiny non-central details in other peoples’ arguments without any feedback on the more important points.

To clarify what I meant to convey earlier – my overall point still stands (it is not, as you say, invalid) that idol girl groups are not in the same category as mature soloists (different audience base, different role in society), and therefore a direct, side by side comparison does not make sense. In addition, by ‘mature’ I don’t mean literal age (although it is correlated), but rather that the soloist in question is is viewed as a woman by society rather than a girl. Although AKB48 may have some members as old as Koda Kumi, the overall image they portray as an idol group is younger. Also, I think it’s kind of hypocritical you bring in the vocal abilities of a couple of select individuals to suggest that AKB48 as a whole has better vocal ability than Koda Kumi, while previously you ignored the good singers within K-pop groups to say that the groups just plain sucked all over.

Your overall point is made worthless when you bring up acts without checking your facts (ON SNAP, SIGN ME UP JYPE, I RHYMED. LMAO)

And no….the “overall” image AKB48 portrays is…whatever, and whoever is on their latest album or single. Meaning if they have a certain group of girls doing the album, it may be more grown up, if they have the younger girls, and newer girls it will be more appealing to everyone, AKB48 has girls old enough to be posing in playboy every other month (and they do) these girls appeal to the same fan base someone like Koda Kumi would appeal to I believe.

And I never said AKB48 as a whole had better singers than Koda Kumi, they don’t. However they have a few that are just as decent live as she.

@syvellium haha, not really. I saw some of your comments on your articles, and the way you replied to people made it look like you were the author. Plus, yeah. your writing style is simillar.
I would respond to him/her too, but I’ve seen his comments on other articles, and I’ve realised that they’re a western elitist at best. Maybe years of Kpop left them bitter.

Western elitist when I am posting American and Japanese acts? lol There aren’t enough ACTIVE, talented Korean acts to post in reality – which is a damn shame, lmao.

I mean I could post some old BEG songs, SeeYa of course, and some other OLD groups and singers that either suck now (like BEG) or don’t perform anymore. But none of them are at the top, so it’s clear Korea prefers their “push push baby..” sh*t “music”. LOL

Why don’t you idol fans get a job, you aren’t on wonder girls payroll are you?
I hope you’re getting paid to defend them like you know them, rofl.

Christina I’m sure after she got INTO the music business had some vocal training, but you must believe because she has great range she is perfection live? Hm, no. Often Christina has issues with pitch, and major well known issues with control over her range. Now I will assume this is lack of training, because I have heard wider range before with perfect control, Lea Michele is a good example – however even she has her faults. She is a trained broadway singer.

I never said chris brown wrote anything of his, try learning to read, open those tiny eyes of yours. Kay.

I mean seriously where did you see that I said anything about chris writing? lmfao
Was it this comment, where I said Neyo, and not Chris? is that were you saw CHRIS? LMAO

“NeYo has hundreds of songs credits to his name, and can obviously sing well.”

Anyhow, your opinion regarding the thieves in Big Bang, and the screeching broads in Wonder girls (YeEun and SunYe) is irrelevant because of what crappy lives they insist of putting on.

Stop talking. Chris Brown would murder Taeyeon in a vocal battle, and I don’t even like the guy.