• http://twitter.com/littlegirlgray6 Rosa

    I believe Biggie aka Notorious B.I.G. had a song called Mo Money, Mo Problems. 

  • silverboy204

    I am actually very curious about YG’s distribution of profits. I, honestly, think GD and Sandara make the most money out of their respective groups. However, I am more curious about the other members of their respective groups and how much money do they get. 

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • PasserBy07

      YG always say that his artists get what they deserve and worked hard for. From that statement, you can say that the money is not equally divided. I’m curious too about the exact amounts, but in a good way. keke.. I’ve never heard YG people complain about their salaries and benefits so I just assume (I think I’m assuming safely) that they’re all getting a good sum of money.

      Besides, the BB members had expressed before that it’s not the money that’s keeping them together / making them stay in YG, it’s the familial bond and artistic freedom that they wouldn’t have gotten if they’re somewhere else. I guess, same goes for other YG artists as well.

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

      • Monika Symeonidou

        Yeah I’m thinking the same, cause I remember how Seungri talked in ‘Come to play’ about how he felt ‘unsafe’ as far as money goes before his solo promotions. He said that back then, Top had his acting career, Daesung was really big in variety shows, Taeyang had solo activities and GD had the royalties, whereas he didn’t have any income outside the Bigbang ‘salary’ (I dont think he ever had a solo CF) . That was the reason he started his academy, to have a personal stable income, so as to be able to be comfortable when singing.

      • JayDK

        Shouldn’t GD also get paid for his role as producer as well?  I always wonder how that breaks down in terms of pay — he plays a lot of different roles.

        • nonod

          Arirangtv said that last year GD earned 1 million dollar just for his royalties as a producer

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • AGNS02

      Out of BB, TOP and GD should be the top individual earners seeing that TOP has his acting gigs and CFs while GD has his royalty pay cheques. agree on Sandara being 2NE1′s top earner, just basing on the individual CFs she has done. 

      I think YG’s distribution of profit should be very similar to SM where the money is distributed evenly between each member if the gig is under the group’s name and they can keep whatever income they earned from their individual jobs. though i believe that the payout ratio and expense deductions might not be the same between YG and SM. 

    • dodo18

      in bigbang they all get what they earn but good thing they all get solos opportunities from top , taeyang , daesung all have done solos cf, taeyang have solos albums, concert , top movies, daesung variety show , i felt that seung ri did not get anough opportunities but he had a solo albums and solos singles too. gd have solos and loyelties. of course gd still earn the most since he have loyalties but bigbang i don’t think is the group where they lack opportunities. i wish more kpop group could try to promote all memebers as well just not one or tw members 

  • ShineeWorld52911

    Even though I think Leeteuk is a creep, I appreciate his straightforward no bullshit statement

  • Mika_San123

     ”How does a company explain to their artists that they’re all equal despite disparity in pay?” Pftttt. Well, if you’re SM Entertainment, you don’t explain anything… I’m sure you probably don’t even believe that your artists are all equal.

    It’s a real wonder that a group like Shinhwa, who originally came from SM Entertainment, managed to stay together for fourteen (and counting) years. (Not that the bond between Shinhwa is likely to be weak, it’s just that I would totally expect SM to try and come between them…)

    I guess it’s not only SM, though. I really don’t think that the companies actually bother trying to tell each artist that they’re all equal and nice, encouraging stuff like that.

    • Himei

      Shinhwa’s stability can be from Eric’s strong leadership.  The group members mention that Eric keep them together and even didn’t sign an exclusive contract to keep the members together. 

      • black_rose45000

        And haven’t they left SM and signed with another company or something? At least that’s what I got…:)

        • Mika_San123

          Yeah, they signed with another company, but I think they’re under their own companies now… Anyway, if only Shinhwa had like this, step-by-step method of not breaking up that they could’ve passed down to their hoobaes……………………

          • black_rose45000

            Oh thank you for explaining :) Hmm, like the previous commenter said, maybe it had a lot to do with their leader. Maybe not only did he manage to keep them together, but also managed to get them through and out of the old company and together, they found their way :)

        • ian

          They left SM and signed with Good Entertainment (a new company at that time), then signed on to different labels for their solo activities, then established their own companies. Then they eventually established Shinhwa Company for their own group activities.

          • black_rose45000

            I see. Thank you!

    • ian

      As for Shinhwa, they explained this on a guesting on Win Win. They said that the reason why they managed to stay together was because they always put the group first before solo activities. They were all willing to make sacrifices for the whole group. 

      They also mentioned how the reason why they have solo activities was because they were a part of Shinhwa anyway. And that at first, they were only doing solo activities to put forth the name Shinhwa. Now that they’re actually more established as a group, it’s different now, of course.

      Following by SM’s method, Eric was the biggest earner, but he used that money to get Shinhwa out of SM so the group can continue together, instead of staying there and having the group dismantled despite the huge sum he’s earning.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hipployta Hipployta

    Wait…so Eunjung’s WGM money goes to the company or the group?

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

      • https://twitter.com/#!/LimaCake LimaCake

        Well when you think about it, it at least keeps her in the public eye. It makes her more visible so she can get more CFs and gigs. Remember when Khun and Victoria were on WGM? Didn’t they get a few CFs together because of it?

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

    • Black_Plague

      Probably so. Which makes WGM a huge waste of Eunjung’s time, really.

  • YourYG Bias

    Honestly, it all depends on the person. I mean if you’re in a group and you consider them as your family, as most of these idols say, then you shouldn’t care if you work more and share the pay? I don’t think HyunA would care much about the dough because when 4Minute disbands, she is confident that she’ll get a solo career and just pretend that she loved her sistahs to death.

    SM’s got the dirtiest approach to this. An idol that is more popular and gets more money, and considering the size of SM’s groups, a group project wouldn’t rake in big cash for the forgotten members. 

    Also, I hate to be such a downer, but money won’t matter when you die. Amen. LOL. 

  • http://twitter.com/ericyumyum ericyumyum

    I am curious about YG’s distribution of profits as well because I’m sure CL and Dara make a lot out of 2NE1. But after reading this article.. I am curious to see what really goes behind the curtains.. and the tensions and jealousy between group members. I feel like there’s more than meets the eye with Girls Generation especially when my girl, YoonA be landing every CF out there you know? You have to think about how Sooyoung and Hyoyeon probably feels because.. they barely get ANYTHING.. heck they’re even lucky if they get enough lines in a song! 

    • idontknoe

      Being an overshadowed member of an SM group is better than other companies. They still all have some form of solo activities to make money. SM utilizes all their kids, it might not be equal but you can’t control who PDs and product advertisers choose.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

      • Black_Plague

        True, just look at how Cube and CCM handle their overshadowed people. It makes SM look like geniuses, really.

    • pg13247

      But then Hyoyeon/Sooyoung are still more popular than some entire groups. They all have some solo work to do now.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

    I remember in that Strong Heart episode where it was mentioned that Yoona and Siwon earn the most from their groups, Eunhyuk cracked a joke saying that even with all money he earns from his individual gigs, it’ll never reach the amount of money Siwon had before he even started working at all. LOL.

    It’s nice, though, that the formerly “forgotten” members are getting their own share of the spotlight, too. Ryeowook has Immortal Song and SuKiRa with Sungmin. Kyuhyun has Radio Star. Yesung had hosting gigs with Leeteuk. Hyoyeon’s in Dancing with the Stars. Jonghyun would rather chill on his own or go to the gym than do individual gigs.

    • Gaya_SB

      Or go insane on twitter. maybe Jonghyun’s going for advertising dollars? I’d like to think that the company that made the chocopies at the centre of his Diablo prank benefitted at least a little from the exposure…

      • Patricia Suarez

        Jjong actually said once that he doesn’t need to do anything other than group activities because his songwriting is giving him more than enough income. Maybe that’s why he’s always on twitter. 

  • LimpyLimpious

    Well, IMO why do members of kpop group tolerate an income disparity?

    I could offer a few theories:
    I know that this stereotype is always used when talking abou Asians, but Koreans are probably raised to put their individual benefits behind the benefits of a group, like serving long miltary duty for your country, working long long hours for the benefit of a company and family etc.

    And you can also see that belonging to a certain group is important in their culure, and that’ s the reason why socializing after work is so important or smth. And these groups have their own hierarchy, by seniorty or some other criteria. Also, Korea is densly populated so they can’t really avoid each others, and that country consists of like 99% Koreans who share common philosophy of doing something like education, working, military duty or stuff for the sake of a group or whole population.

    This may be the reason why k-idols tolerate income disparity to a group. Their loyalty to a brand their group represents is bigger than loyalty to themselves. Conflicts may arise but they are quickly put aside for the sake of their group. They’re like family, they may hate each other but still stay loyal to a family. In that context, stuff like “Power of nine” doesn’t seem that unbelievable.

    It could also mean that gigs of one member raise the popularity of a whole group. Like fans of Shisus or Yoona may actually later become fans of SJ or Soshi.

    Then idols could like the art they are doing which in long run is more important than the money.

    or maybe, when you’re a maknae in a group you do what you’re told because your hyungs or unnies replace family if you’re away from your parents. So them complaining about the money is easily stopped by one shadapp (….and be mineeee, LOL)

    • cutiepie88

      LOL! your last sentence :-)

  • Lyn Prince

    Talking of SM and suju made me think of Han Geng. He never had any hosting gigs, he was not a variety show stable..he was only on them with other group members once in a while. And any CF’s or ads..were also with the group. When he was in China…it was the same, SM insisted that any CF’s, drama, ads he was requested for that another member was included. So all he had was group activities and album sales for both super junior and super junior M to live on.

    A lot of it was because he was foreign and language barrier, etc. But that must have sucked. He was known as “the poorest star in China” before he left SM. But people expected him to scarifice himself for the group and “family” etc, etc…man forget that. I can see why…if it was money driven along and career wise….he would leave. He was really at a disadvantage.

    • http://twitter.com/veria10 Veria

      Yeah, no matter how you feel about Hangeng’s issue it’s hard not to see that he was being screwed over by SM in terms of money. From memory he was requested to be in Ariel Lin’s MV but SM insisted that they use Siwon and Donghae instead, essentially cutting off any opportunities he had to extra income.
      This also makes me think of Zhou Mi and Henry. Hangeng at least had the main group, but Henmi are basically non-existent in wider group activities except for two months when they promote with SJM. At least now they both have some dramas to work one :/

      • black_rose45000

        I didn’t know Zhoumi had a drama too, that’s great! But yeah, whenever I think of them only being there for like 10 min out of a 3hr long concert during SJ’s tours, it breaks my heart. Especially since they are so talented, they could do so much more.

        • thepurp

          Have you not heard about the SM Dungeon. A place where SM idols go and disappear from public attention. See Kangta, CSJH the Grace, Go Ara, Trax, that one female Solo artist, Henry, Zhoumi and the harem of trainees that will never debut.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

            Go Ara is hardly in the SM dungeon. She worked on 2 movies back-to-back, explaining her time away from the spotlight. Kangta’s choosing not to be active because he can.

          • idontknoe

            Kang has his own show, a drama and movie, the voice Korea, director at SM. Go Ara is really active as well as Yeon Hee, they are actresses so it’s not like they’re active in the kpop scene. Trax, Jays in the army, but before he’s had shows and plenty of acting gig, Jungmo is in Fame and has done his fair share of Variety shows. Henry has a drama coming up and writing/composer credits. Zhoumi has a drama in Taiwan and does the Chinese lyrics for SJ-M and hosts random things in China. Stephanie is being a prima ballerina in the states, Sunday is in a sitcom, Dana is voice coaching and in musicals, Lina is concentrating on musicals. The only ones that are MIA are Zhang Yi Lin and J-min (she might be doing stuff in Japan though).

          • black_rose45000

            Yep, I knew about The Grace (though only from hear-say, that they’re very talented yet un-promoted etc.; I personally only listened to Dana in Immortal Song so Idk about them), TRAX and Zhang Liyin who are indeed extremely talented. Chu Gayeol as well, I’ve listened to some of his stuff, unfortunately it’s only very little that’s available. Had no idea Kangta is suffering from poor treatment as well, or whoever Go Ara is though O.o

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

            Kangta is in no way suffering from poor treatment. He’s at top of the artist hierarchy in the company. Hell, he even sits at the board of directors. He can easily pick and choose which projects to do. Just because he’s not as active as the others doesn’t mean he’s unfairly treated. Hell, he can disappear for years at a time and still be more recognized by the general public than whoever is SM’s current favorite artist.

          • black_rose45000

             I was wondering the same too, since I saw him in Infinity Challenge in the “audition” commitee, and I know he took part in The Voice. But hell, what do I know. I’m not at current with a lot of the workings in Kpop. Thanks for the info!

            Oh, Go Ara is an actress too? I only knew of Yonhee (from “Hello, Schoolgirl”), that she was part of SM, didn’t know they had more actors. So she seems quite well off, too, doesn’t she? :)

    • black_rose45000

      as “the poorest star in China” before he left SM.”
      Had no idea. But yeah, it’s best he left. SM screwed him not only when it came to his money, but also didn’t leave him room for personal development and treated him like shit in many ways. Whenever I hear the sacrificing part it makes me wanna slap something.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • Alex O.

    I guess it just goes to show that you really need to love what you do to be a K-pop idol. I know I wouldn’t be able to handle that kind of schedule every day of my life. Then again, maybe it’s different for idols because this is the only way they can make a living. What sucks the most about being an idol is that once you grow old, you can’t do as many activities and you’ll probably start making less money unless you’re smart and you can find a way around it. However, I doubt that the latter is true for most idols and that’s the tough part about being one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003507824553 ICassie Gaemgyu

    unhappiness cos u don’t get enuf gigs to earn extra is better than breeding resentment having part of your pay going to someone else who didn’t do the hard work and sleepless nights. The former discord is more bearable…
    whether someone gets more work than another should be inspiration to those to work a little harder.
    Siwon is gorgeous. He’s can’t help it that he IS a model. Modeling for big names bring in big money. That is the standard pay. And if he wasn’t in some drama series, I don’t think anyone would bother watching?? The script for Skip Beat was STOOPID.
    Kpop is a short term thing for all of them and I guess they are all fighting for staying power and  continued income. So unhappiness is expected. Whether the company divides tasks equally nobody can comment cos we don’t know?..
    And anyway, most of them are brought together by the companies, I doubt they are close friends behind the scenes… their cliques exist with other bands, so there’s that extra torn.
    If someone is ‘unpopular’.. they should work harder. And also its a very good cue for them to realise and wake up to reality to what they must do to improve and earn a future living.
    But yeah. If I was put in the position, I rather be paid for my own work. No matter what, its every man for himself.
    I like SME’s way… even though I don’t like them. It’s fair.

    • http://www.twitter.com/veiledheart veiledheart

      Being unpopular doesn’t always mean that they need to work harder. In the SMTown article from the other day they talked about how Luna wasn’t as popular with the crowd as the others, yet she was still putting on a great show. 
      I do agree that this should make them examine their future though. Everyone needs a backup plan. 

      • CassieElfSoneShawolExotic4LIFE

        idk, when shinee and f(x) first debuted, it was obvious that the least beloved member in Shinee was Onew and Luna in f(x). they both worked hard or just have it, but they always score variety appearance because they’re funny. i remember when shinee debuted, when they guest on Golden Star Bell, Onew would always sit at the back in a random line without the other members, but slowly, everyone realize he was the life of the team and he got placed in the front, scored 2 musicals, became a permanent member on variety shows twice. And Luna is always in variety shows. i do think that if you truely work hard or have talent, you can beat the oddds

  • noiha

    i personally think rather than the money they got, it’s also important that these idols secured their popularity to ensure their future. that’s why, the “jealousy” between members, is usually not only about money, but also the popularity. unless they didn’t intend to further their career in entertainment industry (and why the heck are they still here now? go study something else and leave the entertainment business now!), they should do more extra gigs, even when the pocket money went to the rest of the group. that’s why you see hyomin didn’t back up even when you think it, her schedule must be really crazy (barely absent from performance, variety show offers, and also acting gigs). that way, she secured her popularity. face it, they wouldn’t want to rely to their idol group for the rest of their live right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/nielsgabriel Niels Gabriel Nable

    Someone’s forgetting how DBSK broke up.

    • http://twitter.com/sowon7890 Sowon Kang

      DBSK’s problem wasnt money trouble between members. it was between the members and the company. in 2008 dbsk was on the top 10 list of highest earners in korea along with yoo jae suk and lee soo man, but the only difference was that they didnt get even a quarter of the money they earned. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XZMSVOCJOA7ZA47SDPHNBVFNWM Lizzie Heart

      it was more about working too much  and not gaining the deserved payment.

    • cancertwin2

      I don’t think there was any jealousy between the members because all five of them were getting cheated by SME.

    • JjigaeLover

      TVXQ weren’t getting “cheated” by the company. I agree that they should have gotten a higher share of revenues but neither them, the company or the world knew how big they would become. If you are SM, you invest a TON of money and time on everybody and for the most part it doesn’t work out. So you need to collect a good chunk of that money to keep fueling the system. In K-pop the company, for the most part, provides the music, composers, writers, training, choreography, promotions, etc, etc. All this takes a lot of money.

      Also SM makes most of their money from overseas royalties and out of the various revenue streams, the artists makes very little from royalties (versus, say, TV appearances where the talent keeps most of the money). So yeah TVXQ made a ton of money in Japan, most of that being royalties and their contract stipulated that most of this money goes to SM and SM’s Japanese partners. Not saying it’s fair, but that was the system. They should have tried to renegotiate a little bit. I mean 2 of them stayed right? Couldn’t have been so terrible.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5BKARJWK7NNOXYOIUSP76YJW4 Aj

        I think so too that money instigated the split. But it’s worth noting that the two didnt left SM and  must have worked it out with the company well since Yunho and Changmin doesnt seem dissatisfied. Besides I dont think Changmin’s parents would even tolerate it if it’s to their son’s disadvantage.

        • cancertwin2

          We shouldn’t assume that just because Changmin and Yunho stayed that it means that they did not have a problem with their contracts. Keep in mind that in Asia, sometimes face is more important than anything else for both the company and the family. And it’s difficult to say what initiated the split since we aren’t either party and weren’t around to see how long they had been discussing their situation. From what I saw and what has been discussed in court, not getting paid since Feb 09 was the last straw when they stopped talking about it and decided to file the injunction. It is also relevant to note that DBSK didn’t split up even after the lawsuit. They were still on speaking terms and performed together up until JYJ won their partial verdict. That’s when SME physically separated them and suspended their activities as five.

      • cancertwin2

        TVXQ didn’t get to keep their money from public appearances. They primarily made their money from concerts and cfs. It’s stated in their contract that the only way they would keep the money from public appearances if is they become permanent members on a show which DBSK never did.

        Also, as the court judge stated, DBSK had already paid back SME for the money that was initially invested in them and thus didn’t owe SME anything from that. Not to mention that the judge also brought up the fact that when a company/person makes an investment, especially one that might bring high gains (which DBSK did) they have to absorb the loses as well. Not pass them down to their employees (ie DBSK).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=513439726 Sharon Overlord

    Being an ELF, I know there is definitely tension amoung the suju members when it comes to popularity and money. I dont feel Siwon is as close to the other members. He has never lived with them in the dorm, even in trainee days. He always has a separate room to himself. In the past I think competition was fierce among the members. 

    I think now their more relaxed than before. Each member has their solo individual activities that they focus on when their not with the group. Even Donghae is starting to get into acting now, he was great in Skip Beat with Siwon. Yesung though is forever overlooked, and he is one of the best singers in kpop. I think that dude needs a solo album, or another KRY album. It sucks when ur in a group and ur the main talents, but another member gets most of the spotlight. 

    • http://twitter.com/tpuspita Ties ‘Shimsalabim’

      i agree on your comment about yesung. i dunno why he doesn’t involve in any musical anymore nor in a solo project. but i guess SM probably try to be fair to other members with notable voices, too,  like kyuhyun, ryeowook and sungmin, and gave them the offer to do a musical.

      since his schedule isn’t as busy as others, that’s why fans can find him help serve in H&G or whystyle :)

      i recently have a wild dream of watching yesung sings in a musical together with jyj’s junsu. i’m still in an awe of seeing him singing three songs of his musicals in his solo concert yesterday. damn, that dude’s voice is killing.

    • shyfly

      actually siwon is very close with the members. during the first year or two of debut, siwon lived in the dorm to stay close with the members. managers kicked him out because the dorm was too crowded and because his house was close by anyway. the members love siwon, they always brag about him saying that he’s daebak.i also think his voice is AMAZING! look up “siwon nanjing solo” on youtube and you’ll see what I mean.

      i do agree with your comment on yesung. he will be in the army soon and it’s sad to see him overshadowed.

      im yesung/siwon biased XD

  • black_rose45000

    There are a lot of things I found out from this article.
    Well, it’s good that SM (I would say CCM and Pledis too, but…) are fair in distributing the money to their employees. I don’t understand why the members (SJ for example, since the author gave a good example with Leeteuk’s quote) would be jealous if the others had more appearances. Yes, it sucks that Siwon/Yuna have more offers, but you can’t help it if they’re considered beautiful by most people. And when it comes to varieties or music projects, it should just be a wake-up call to you, because, maybe, yo just have more to learn or to give in those fields of interest. Unless the other member was given the job through suspicious/unfair reasons, I don’t see the problem.
    In the case of Tiffany, I can understand her frustration and I find it normal. Though I see Jessica would make a better “legally blonde” than she would (can’t imagine Tiffany blond), she would probably still have potential as a musical actress, which is what matters in the end. Not being able to land a role you wanted can be disheartening. It’s probably not just about the money here.

    Anyway, thanks for the article!

  • Chocho268

    I can’t imagine how discouraging and heart-breaking it must be for the very talented members to get so overshadowed (and payed much less) by pretty but talentless idols.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XZMSVOCJOA7ZA47SDPHNBVFNWM Lizzie Heart

      let’s be honest even if some are just pretty and less talented than others members, the truth that they work for they money is still true and they deserve it. Even if some don’t have the ”talent” still they worked hard for it, so it isn’t unfair.

      • Chocho268

        Whether it’s fair or not is not up to me to decide and I haven’t commented on that. I just made a remake on how stupid some of the talented but unappreciated idols must feel, esp. if you take into consideration how they worked their butt off for the day they will be able to show their talent to the world. The first example that comes to my mind is Hyoyeon. Now, I don’t know how much that girl gets paid but judging on how she is constantly in the shadow, I can’t imagine how bleh she must feel that after 7 years of training(correct me if I’m wrong) and a good deal of talent, the face of the group still earns 10 times more than her. And again, I’m not picking on Yoona or judging other pretty idols and saying they aren’t hard-working, it is just that my heart hurts a little when thinking about it.

        • CassieElfSoneShawolExotic4LIFE

          i get what you mean, but there are 9 of them, you can’t expect them to receive equal popularity. i adore hyoyeon for all that she is, but she only offers her dancing ability to the table. (being on DWTS2 suits her like a glove). Hyoyeon is funny, but only when she is with the other members, cause that is when she is comfortable and she k.o everyone with her witt, but she doesn’t show off much when she is on a show. i know your not picking on Yoona, but this is where i think SM failed from the begining, they only trained Hyoyeon in dancing, but they trained Yoona, Yuri, Jessica, Sooyoung and Hyoyeon in every area. even though they are not the best in all the areas, they do it well

  • sandy li

    Money is always the greed of everything. In most idol groups main vocalists hardly made any money compare to those talentless pretty face. Sure, they do work for their money; however, the distributions are just wrong. The majority of the main vocalists sing at least 70 percent of each songs yet they make the same amount of money as the other members. The money distribution for each songs should be base on how much they sing. As for individual activities just base on their personal incomes, yet, each members should have the equal chance to fight for their individual activities. The majority of entertainment companies have their own biases and they tend give their bias more jobs. Also, most company force their artists work together even though their business partners only want one member for so. SME is known for their tag along tactic and force their artists to split their jobs and profits. Whenever Sme is doing that they are forcing their business partners to listen to them or else they won’t let  that certain artist to take the job. Han Geng is the best example for this because Sme turn down majority of his offer because they want other members to take the job instead of them. If they will increase the price of that certain artist or decrease that artist’s price tag until both members have the job.  Each members from each group should have the equal opportunities to fight for their jobs and have the equal amount of job offers instead of just focusing on their own biases. It’s unfair for certain members get more jobs because their company and manger favor them and let the other artists live in their member’s shadow. Each company should divide their jobs equally and each should have their individual manger instead of sharing one manger. Each mangers should fight for their individual artists instead of giving all the jobs to their favorites members. All members should have their own mangers to sell instead of just relying on one manger to sell all of artists. All members should receive the equal amount of works as other. Each idols should have the equal portion of what they earns for the company. What’s belong to the artist is their. No company should take more than 30-40 percents of what the idol earns. 

    • CassieElfSoneShawolExotic4LIFE

      but this is about idol, singing is not considered as the only talent. it’s also unfair to say that only those who can reach a F#5 can get the highest pay check. everyone have their own specialty (even if it’s just being the face). 

      • sandy li

        Does that mean the face of the group should get the equal share as the other members who sing 70 percent of the song. The face and the main vocalist both will perform on stage and one does more work than the other and still get the same pay. I’m not saying that those who hit the F#5 should get more. I said that the member with the most line should get more pay because they are caring the songs.  

  • http://www.twitter.com/veiledheart veiledheart

    They both come with problems. If someone has solo activities would they be getting the pay or exposure without being attached to the group? So many of these people really aren’t that funny or great at acting, yet they show up on these shows and in these dramas. In the real world, if they were just auditioning for the part they probably wouldn’t get it. If you base it just on looks, there are other girls out there who are just as pretty as Yoona, and guys just as handsome as Siwon, yet they’re not in CFs because they’re not a member of a super famous group.  More than likely no one would care about half of these people if they weren’t in these groups.  
    On the other hand, if I’m working myself to the bone, I probably don’t want to give up all of my income to split with the group.  Maybe giving a percentage of the income is a better way to go. Instead of all or nothing, the group gets a percentage of the income. This accounts for the fact that without the group you’d just be another face in the crowd, and you still get the majority of what you earn since you’re doing the work. 

  • Ditu3ka

    Sex and money spoil relationships. It´s sad but true and I wish I would but I´m not any different.

    It seems that SM changed their approach after DBSK split. Those three were quite brave to speak up about the way the whole group was treated, other SM idols should probably thank them for conditions they have now.

    • thepurp

       Exactly, people forget that the reason JYJ ended up suing was because, they asked to see the books, to see what they were earning in contrast to what they were getting paid. And SM basically telling them to bugger off. To be the highest earner in the industry and be told you owe the company instead of getting paid, must have been a hard pill to swallow.

      • JjigaeLover

        “Ask to see the books…”

        The books are public, SM is a public company. It’s fairly easy to see their “books,” especially if you are Korean.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NLXWVIO3GWHSTSY5IK6IJE5VQQ Natasa Natasasha

          yes they are supposed to be “public” BUT it didn’t worked like that when JYJ asked to see the “public” books

          • JjigaeLover

            I understand it must be maddening to see only a small share of the revenue that you bring in but they have to consider the entire infrastructure that the SM machine has in place for them. Without SM’s training, promotions, connections would they have gotten so big? Essentially they are SM’s “product,” the finished package of something that took a lot more resources than just the idols to make (songwriters, choreographers, trainers, even paying for SM’s building to have practice space, etc). Also SM makes the majority of its money in Japan and from foreign royalties. SM and its foreign partners take about 70-80% of those royalties, which the artists should know since it’s in their contracts. So yes I’d be pissed if I thought I was bringing in $50 million I get $500k of that. But if the issue was SM saying you are bringing in $20 million, not $50 million, well it’s not that hard to check the numbers since there are a lot of public sources to which you can compare and make a case in court.

            I’m not saying SM is in the right either, they seem like petty bastards for treating JYJ like that. Seriously, do they need to do that? They are such a powerhouse in the industry!

          • cancertwin2

             I understand what you’re saying. But actually DBSK paid for the majority of their own promotions, dancers, manager’s salaries, stage production, wardrobe, stylists and etc. If you follow the court case you will know that SME didn’t pay for many of the things that they were supposed to. They simply deducted everything from cough medicine to car gas from the group’s overall income and gave them what was left over to split five ways…which often times wasn’t much. Also the court recognized that DBSK had already paid back SME all of their initial investments years ago. So DBSK actually didn’t owe them anything from that.

          • Haibara Christie

            The only thing that bugs me, if this were all true, is why Homin didn’t fight for their rights to the account books as well.  Considering at least the background of their parents, it would make sense that they would have also fought for their rights.  I’m not denying that any of this is true (a lot of it probably is), but I am questioning whether this is the whole story. Honestly, every single time the DBSK lawsuit comes up, I end up more and more confused, and angry, not a just SM, but the entire DBSK for not agreeing upon the truth, and entire Kpop industry that makes idols as figures way more important than idols as singers. 

            Sigh, if only Kpop were just about the music.  

          • cancertwin2

            IKR JYJ have still yet to see these books by SME. All they ever got was a random receipt with the amount for Hug. Apparently SME stopped doing accurate accounting records after that for DBSK.

      • shannie4888

        How can you earn that much money for a company and still owe them? SM know that they are tripping. 

    • cancertwin2

      Yeah I think SME must have changed something after the whole JYJ debacle because as far as I know (from what was revealed in court) DBSK got zero for public appearances. SME collected the majority of their fees except for concerts and cfs.

  • muggle87

    like u said both methods have their flaws. i don’t think there is perfect method. someone is going to get shafted either way.

    though i prefer getting pay according to my work i put in. Yea, the most popular will probably get more opportunity to gain money but its not like the popularity fall into their laps without effort. They also work hard to become popular and maintain the popularity.

    • SWalkerTTU

      Yet, the opportunity doesn’t present itself totally independently of the group’s overall success and marketability.

  • http://www.michelle-chin.com/ Michelle Chin

    You can’t please everyone. That’s life. But it can be made better by using a check and balance system. You know, compromise. Like, if that one member does a lot of solo activities, three quarters of it goes to the group, the remaining quarter stays with the individual.

    • SWalkerTTU

      In other words, an “income tax”. It’s not actually a bad idea, as long as the “taxes” go to something that helps all the members, including the one giving up some of the outside income. I think 75% is a bit high, but I’d think anywhere from 35-50% would be good. Or maybe a general revenue-sharing pool, like American sports leagues usually have. The reason for that is that sports teams need viable competitors to make their leagues functional and stable, so giving up a bit of revenue so that you have someone else to play against makes sense. In K-pop, the performers are very often individually identifiable, but are almost never identified without their group affiliation, until they get to household-name status. In this sense, the market value of the individual performer is inextricably connected to the value of the group as a whole and somewhat dependent on it, so it makes sense that they should contribute some amount to keeping overall harmony in the group that makes them marketable in the first place.

  • haiitsvi

    The comments feel like Econ class all over again! Fairness vs. Equality is always the question when dealing with money. Both methods have its cons. I feel really bad for people like Yesung. He has such a great voice but doesn’t do much in terms of variety and CFs and dramas. And then there’s Siwon, who doesn’t appear at performances and on the world tour due to drama filming. Is he being paid for those missed performances?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQ53WK5K4DPXQ5DIBKDELB6WPE Camille

      Siwon may skip on SMTown World Tour stops, but he has never missed out on a Super Show concert, no matter where he is or how busy he is filming, healthy or not. He can easily leave Super Junior because of the star power he has on his own, but he always makes it a point to be there when it matters the most. Hell, he even chose to juggle filming “Poseidon” in the countryside and join the rest of the group in the “Mr.Simple” comeback performances in Seoul. The guy has dedication and commitment like no other.

      • black_rose45000

        Love your comment. He’s the also the best example of what Kibum should’ve been but never was.

      • haiitsvi

        Oh yes, I forgot about Super Shows. Thanks for the reminder! I guess it’s just disappointing for an overseas fan sometimes when your favorite group isn’t there as a whole.

        But I do get that he’s dedicated. I just think he may be spreading himself out too thin sometimes. I haven’t actually gotten a chance to watch Siwon in a drama but I guess he must be quite the actor considering how many dramas he’s been in and it’s not just his face and Super Junior/SM connections that get him his roles.

  • severely

    I’m surprised the article focused so much on the downside to people keeping what they earn, but didn’t really touch on the negative of splitting everything. I imagine for the idols that are running themselves exhausted with all of their schedules and then have to split that money with their group members that didn’t do any of the CFs, shows, etc. that earned that additional income: there could be some bitterness there.

  • CassieElfSoneShawolExotic4LIFE

    i like the idea that you only reap what you sew, SM’s methods work because all their groups are doing well and the individuals all have individual activities so they do earn their own paycheck somehow. BUT, i know that a lot of members of T-ara don’t have individual activities so that’s when it becomes sad for them, because it’s 9/10not their fault that their not as sought after as the other members. I like 2pm’s method of income distribution (only philosophically) because even if i were among the busier members (nichkhun) i don’t think i’d be entirely happy if it then get’s split up between the company and then the other 5 members, but if i were Junsu, i’d take what i get, cause let’s face it, the only activities he gets are with 2pm. 
    both methods aim to be “fair” to the members, but to be fair, the work load has to be divided in the first place. this article only talks about popular groups, but what about those new groups/not as extablished that have literally only 1 member that represents the group? both methods have it’s own downside

    • Fei

      Junsu actually has released some solo songs.

    • dayc_16

      I agree with your comment up until the junsu bit…he may not have a lot of CF but his constantly writting music for 2pm and other artist…wich if I’m not mistaken he owns copyrights to most of his songs…also He did the OST for a few dramas….

      • Harliyana Mohd Hanif

        Junsu owns copyright for all of his songs, so yeah, he is earning a bit from his compositions like from Hands Up album and Republic Of 2PM album. And so is Junho whose song Kimi Ga Ireba is 2PM’s B-side song for their Japanese single Beautiful, which is currently sold at 161K, which means, Junho is pocketing quite fair bit of money off his song. Not forgetting both of their 2 songs shot to #1 on Recochoku (maybe it is selling for a few thousands) so yeah, that money also goes to them.

        So no, for 2PM, maybe Chansung (then again, he has one acting gig, one in Japan last year) is earning the least when it comes to individual earning. And that acting gig earning probably goes straight to his pocket (unless there are deductions for accommodations etc in Japan).

    • SWalkerTTU

      You reap what you sow. You rip what you sew.

  • goldengirl_rock4ever

    with money you’ll have problems, without it… you’ll have them too… imagine if a group dont earn money theyll disband because its a lie their company will keep promoting them if theres no income… and if theres money it might bring discord between the members… theres not an ultimate perfect method but if you ask me I think the dividing the money system is okay because its indeed true that if they werent part of the group they wouldnt be able to get the job… you dont see many solo acts getting cfs/drama deals so its in part thanks to the group… in cases like 4minute or even T-ara its like ONE person grabbing all the deals…! there are times when you have no news about the other members. yes, they might be popular members but its the companies job to manage each member not only 2 or 3 members! find jobs for them as far as i know theyre trained in countless stuff! for example: Qri models and Boram can act so why dont try to get them deals too? in SJ, even when there is siwon who earns the most money the members are mcs, djs, participate in musicals, etc. even the so called “less popular members” -less popular doesnt mean less talented!- are doing something… as much as i hate SM… they manage to get them in all sort of jobs… so its more of the companies’ fault if you ask me…
     
    PS: id like to know how YG groups divides their money too…! they might not be all over the place with cf deals or in dramas but the few times theyre at it they nail it! i think they divide everything equally…

  • JjigaeLover

    Coming from a business perspective, I don’t know why this is an issue. K-pop is an industry and the entertainment companies are in it to make money. Even if they aren’t in it purely for money, they need to be profitable to stay in business. So whoever generates the most revenue for the company will obviously be promoted more. Not to sound completely cold-hearted but the idols are the “product” that these companies provide, like any other product on the market. 

    As for fairness/equal pay, you sign a contract with the company. Probably your parents or some adult has gone through the contract and understand the terms when it is signed (since the idols were probably minors then). You knew going in what the terms were, how people were paid, how things were divided. And from observing the scene, you can probably figure out how to make more money if that’s what your goal is. It’s unfortunate that it isn’t always a level playing field (like when a company seems to favor one person over another), but this all plays out on a global marketplace of which all of us are participants. This is a business and the idols are professionals. You don’t just stay together out of friendship but because you are successful together. 

    • cancertwin2

      ” Probably your parents or some adult has gone through the contract and
      understand the terms when it is signed (since the idols were probably
      minors then).”

      You got the part right about them being minors. But sadly, things don’t work that way in Korea. Take for instance the fact that all of DBSK members were minors when they signed their contracts with SME. The first time their parents may have known what was going on (however I doubt all of them since Yoochun’s parents were abroad and both Yunho and Jaejoong left home at young ages to become singers). Then SME changed their contracts two more times through the years as they got more popular. In the end, neither the members nor their parents actually knew the details of their contracts. People mistakenly think that DBSK signed 13 year contracts. However that is not true. SME increased the years and added new clauses as time went on. So it’s hard to say that they knew what they were getting into because they could not have perceived the changes that were made. And the members weren’t present when the AVEX contracts were signed with SME.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5BKARJWK7NNOXYOIUSP76YJW4 Aj

    With those misunderstandings I’m genuinely impressed that Super Junior did not disband even if they fight amongst themselves.Even Siwon who I think could go well on it’s own didnt left the band.,true his income might be his own but his loyalty to the group remained. Even if he’s busy doing CFs or dramas from country to country and he has to fly back to Korea to dance and sing with them.I mean it’s not like the dude needed the money,but he sticks with Super Junior no matter how busy he is. And it’s not like all other members were left to rot. Some are on the other spheres of the entertainment industry it’s not like we dont see them at all. I remember reading Seungri saying about TOP offered too many lead roles and scripts sent to him while he only got a few and he’s only offered cameo roles. I know Seungri was trying to be funny and I dont think he resents TOP because he’s got more offers because that’s just how it is though I dont know how BigBang splits their money they dont seem to have a problem.

  • SWalkerTTU

    Income inequality leads generally to discord within musical groups, business enterprises and even countries. I’m sure there’s a way to work it out within a company like SM, but that takes thinking outside the box, which is not always an easy thing to do.

  • marsmallow92

    then how about YG??  i’m really curious since all bigbang members rich like hell, i mean looks at their cars and their clothes no joke.. 

    • http://vvipforseungri.livejournal.com/ Martina

      Well, though we don’t know, it’s probably like SM. Because all of BB have their own solo activities, they probably don’t split the money. With things like variety shows, they rarely show up anyway, and when they do it’s as a group. Things like Daesung’s hosting doesn’t count because it was specifically a solo activity. Therefore, the money they make from BB I think is split (that’s a substantial amount on its own) and obviously GD is the richest (he makes a ridiculous amount of money every year). Afterwards, they have their own solo activities separate from the group so there’d be no reason to split the income between the group. Variety shows, ads, etc. are usually shared anyway.

      • shannie4888

        GD also gets a big pay from royalties. It pays to be actually talented.penning songs and producing puts some serious dough in the piggy bank. 

  • ZoeyOrlando

    “When there are differences in the amount of promotional activities
    amongst the members, misunderstandings sometimes arise…We too have
    gotten into fist fights, and there was even an occasion where we flipped
    the dining table…You can’t pile things up inside. Either you have to
    exercise together to talk things out, or get into a big fight and
    recover after.”

    Leeteuk’s honesty and straightforwardness are one of the reasons I respect him and the thing he said made me love Super Junior more, I’m really glad that they don’t keep that tension bottled inside of them and try to work things out.

    also, I’m really happy that the members who didn’t shine before are starting to shine now like Ryeowook, Sungmin and Kyuhyun.

    to SM: I’m still waiting for the KRY album I’ve been hearing rumors about since the start of this year.
     

  • Claudia Lim.

    i was honestly waiting for a dbsk diatribe. but dbsk used to split equally, but the uneven-ness of sm got to them. sighhhh