• http://allthatdramanews.blogspot.com/ Eye Candy

    Just for a moment I would like to say I really liked this discussion topic it really got me thinking! I think I empathize the most with Idols I feel have to work a little harder than everyone else to be as good as them. Normally in dancing because I’m right there with you on the whole two left feet completely unable to dance, so when I feel like there are members who have had to work really hard to perfect the dance moves I really empathize. I also just remember watching Infinite’s Sesame Player and seeing a scene where they were just so clearly overloaded with work and exhausted from working so much. I really identified because at that time I had just gotten through a huge amount of work and stress that had been ongoing for months, and I think it really made me realize how hard all these idols have to work to keep their jobs. But at the same time, I totally find it adorable when say L falls (sorry to stay on the Infinite example) because he seems to be a little clumsy, but it’s endearing to realize that he’s not perfect at what he does, he just works really hard to appear that way. 

    • AcadiasFire

      Yeah i know. Infinite really does work so hard. Especially with the title Synch Idols or however they put it. They work really hard to make sure their dances are synchronized.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      I saw a clip from their Sesame Player where Sunggyu had to yell at the members (or…okay, severely scold? lol) for not dancing better and it shocked me because I couldn’t see the problems even though I’m a dancer. I felt so bad for them. Bad for the members because Sunggyu was harsh and I thought he could have been a little more encouraging and bad for Sunggyu because he had to take on the role of the responsible adult and play the “bad cop” by yelling at the other members. It made me realize how tough idols are and how much they work so that they don’t screw up.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      I saw a clip from their Sesame Player where Sunggyu had to yell at the members (or…okay, severely scold? lol) for not dancing better and it shocked me because I couldn’t see the problems even though I’m a dancer. I felt so bad for them. Bad for the members because Sunggyu was harsh and I thought he could have been a little more encouraging and bad for Sunggyu because he had to take on the role of the responsible adult and play the “bad cop” by yelling at the other members. It made me realize how tough idols are and how much they work so that they don’t screw up.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      I saw a clip from their Sesame Player where Sunggyu had to yell at the members (or…okay, severely scold? lol) for not dancing better and it shocked me because I couldn’t see the problems even though I’m a dancer. I felt so bad for them. Bad for the members because Sunggyu was harsh and I thought he could have been a little more encouraging and bad for Sunggyu because he had to take on the role of the responsible adult and play the “bad cop” by yelling at the other members. It made me realize how tough idols are and how much they work so that they don’t screw up.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      I saw a clip from their Sesame Player where Sunggyu had to yell at the members (or…okay, severely scold? lol) for not dancing better and it shocked me because I couldn’t see the problems even though I’m a dancer. I felt so bad for them. Bad for the members because Sunggyu was harsh and I thought he could have been a little more encouraging and bad for Sunggyu because he had to take on the role of the responsible adult and play the “bad cop” by yelling at the other members. It made me realize how tough idols are and how much they work so that they don’t screw up.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      I saw a clip from their Sesame Player where Sunggyu had to yell at the members (or…okay, severely scold? lol) for not dancing better and it shocked me because I couldn’t see the problems even though I’m a dancer. I felt so bad for them. Bad for the members because Sunggyu was harsh and I thought he could have been a little more encouraging and bad for Sunggyu because he had to take on the role of the responsible adult and play the “bad cop” by yelling at the other members. It made me realize how tough idols are and how much they work so that they don’t screw up.

      • http://allthatdramanews.blogspot.com/ Eye Candy

        That was the exact moment I was thinking of from Sesame Player! I had never thought of the leaders of an Idol group actually leading (I always thought it was more of just a title), but I realized that at least in that moment Sunggyu took it seriously, and yes realizing how hard they work but also how their group dynamic must be affected when they are all struggling really made me think because normally I just see groups on variety programs when they are just joking around with each other. 

        • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

          Yeah, I’ve always thought of it as a title too. That’s why seeing Sunggyu really take on the role just surprised me so much. It was impressive that he took on the role, because honestly…being the responsible one can suck. I wouldn’t be surprised if the other members get mad at him for laying down the law sometimes. It could affect the group dynamic in a negative way.

          But it’s still a necessary role, and that’s what makes Sunggyu impressive. Because he could realize the necessity of it even though he might risk distancing himself from the others.

          This is just hypothetical. I’m not saying Infinite isn’t close or anything. They seem pretty comfortable with each other. The “gap” I’m hypothesizing between Sunggyu and the members could just be an age thing as well. But that clip did make me wonder. 

          • http://allthatdramanews.blogspot.com/ Eye Candy

            No, I know exactly what you are talking about. I think of 2pm and some of their variety shows and they are leaderless and there is a lot less tension between the members as compared to what I see with Infinite (especially in Sesame Player and little with Ranking King). I think it does put Sunggyu in a difficult spot, but I think it might be getting better because Infinite is finding success now so there is less pressure or stress for them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5JWLOENJVT24KU7ZTJZH3XOOXM Alexandra

    I just feel sorry for all those in strict diets, which is basically majority of kpop. Especially with in winter time and christmas round the corner. for me turkeys and pies and deserts over a stickly thin body any day

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5BKARJWK7NNOXYOIUSP76YJW4 Aj

    When Big Bang started out I feel sorry for TOP becase he used to cry when he could not keep up with the choreography. But I dont think he’s having that much trouble now, since everything he does now is considered cool even his alien dancing. Choom TOP is just freaking adorable.

  • http://twitter.com/AnnaDowns2 Anna Downs

    minzy- she is way talented , in both dance and singing, and she is the least popular member. she is also gorgeous, but many people call her fat and even ugly. I hope as a teenager being exposed to this type of criticism didn’t cause pain, but i’m sure it did, and does to this day

  • itsmysunshine

    All idols who want to date but they can’t because of their company forbid them to do so.  

    It pissed me off everytime I see the word ‘dating ban’, and feel sad for the idols who need to follow it. Maybe some of them genuinely doesn’t want to date, but for those who found a person they love but not being able to date is just .. so heartbreaking.

  • Streby

    I feel bad for the amount of times idols have to change their hair colour, it must burn like hell and their hair must be falling out in clumps; that coupled with the lack of sleep and nutritious meals, their bodies must be a doctor’s nightmare (or dream for the amount of expenses on fixing it?)

  • AcadiasFire

    Dara. She is a scapegoat to much. What with the crazy hairstyles and baggy clothing they give her. Also i feel like her vocals arent given enough credit. Seriously. In all honesty and imo I feel her voice in Epik High’s Up would have been better than Bom’s. i genuinely love the song but when Bom’s part comes up sometimes it can be a little grating. I do think Bom has a unique voice though and I do enjoy it usually.

    • sarajgh

      Okay, Bom’s voice was terrible in Up but no way in hell would Dara have been better. If Bom couldn’t reach those high notes, neither could have Dara who’s often flat. Honestly, there is no one in YG who could have fit that part, maybe Gummy.

    • sarajgh

      Okay, Bom’s voice was terrible in Up but no way in hell would Dara have been better. If Bom couldn’t reach those high notes, neither could have Dara who’s often flat. Honestly, there is no one in YG who could have fit that part, maybe Gummy.

    • sarajgh

      Okay, Bom’s voice was terrible in Up but no way in hell would Dara have been better. If Bom couldn’t reach those high notes, neither could have Dara who’s often flat. Honestly, there is no one in YG who could have fit that part, maybe Gummy.

      • AcadiasFire

        And thats why its my opinion and you have yours lol. I get why you’d say that but thats just me. I actually meant if the high vocals were taken out. I think Dara’s voice would have been more soothing but your right about her not being able to hit those high vocals.

      • AcadiasFire

        And thats why its my opinion and you have yours lol. I get why you’d say that but thats just me. I actually meant if the high vocals were taken out. I think Dara’s voice would have been more soothing but your right about her not being able to hit those high vocals.

      • AcadiasFire

        And thats why its my opinion and you have yours lol. I get why you’d say that but thats just me. I actually meant if the high vocals were taken out. I think Dara’s voice would have been more soothing but your right about her not being able to hit those high vocals.

    • sarajgh

      Okay, Bom’s voice was terrible in Up but no way in hell would Dara have been better. If Bom couldn’t reach those high notes, neither could have Dara who’s often flat. Honestly, there is no one in YG who could have fit that part, maybe Gummy.

  • Kaoru Takeshima

    I really worry that most idols are gonna end up with terrible health years later. Right now they are in their physical prime of life and appear to be handling the intense no-sleep schedules, irregular meals, and crazy choreography fine but in middle age is when the effects of years of unhealthy living really start to show.

    When I hear the things these idols do, it just doesn’t sound humanly possible.
    Its like they replace sleep with IVs and I suspect some use drugs to keep their bodies going too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

    I don’t feel empathy for Hallyu stars — I feel empathy for people. Pushing the idea of celebrity just detaches the person from being seen as an ordinary human being deserving of consideration and understanding. The fact that the person happens to be on television screens, on record sleeves, etc, should be (and is for me) irrelevant. They are still just people. More visible people, for sure, but still no different than anyone you’ll meet in a shopping center or at a baseball game. 

    Is there anything I hope for with regards to celebrities? Just that the idolatry eases up and people begin to look less to artificially created personae for their role models and more just as figures of entertainment. Then maybe they (models, singers, idols, etc) will be allowed to date, gain weight, screw up and make all the glorious mistakes that we all make without it becoming front page news. However, as this is, sadly, not how humans are born to operate, it will likely remain an unrealized dream. 

    On a less serious level, I probably felt a little sorry for Dara having to shave off the side of her head to be edgy. Maybe I’m just old school in thinking that carefully crafted fashion statements are lacking in punch, and especially lacking ingenuity. After all, the punk style didn’t begin because Johnny Rotten and the Sex Pistols were trying to look ratty — they were POOR. Their look was a byproduct of their environment, not a fashion statement. The aesthetic was created by their own creative minds with what was at hand. I often wonder what Dara would come up with if given free reign to exercise her own creativity? Even if it wasn’t chic-f’ing-tastic, I would still appreciate the earnest attempt.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      Although, you know…I liked Dara’s hair. >_<

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

        That’s your right. People back in the 70′s loved the punk “look,” too. They just didn’t realize it was far from a chic fad — that it was just the way poor future anti-establishmentarians were forced to dress due to their (lack of) finances. I am just an advocate — a passionate one — of individual creative thought. I want to see what comes from a person’s own spool of imaginative weave. Even if it is not stylish, outrageous or even great, it is genuine. God knows there is enough disingenuity out there, it would be nice to see something real with a little less manufactured finish. That’s just my opinion, though.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

        That’s your right. People back in the 70′s loved the punk “look,” too. They just didn’t realize it was far from a chic fad — that it was just the way poor future anti-establishmentarians were forced to dress due to their (lack of) finances. I am just an advocate — a passionate one — of individual creative thought. I want to see what comes from a person’s own spool of imaginative weave. Even if it is not stylish, outrageous or even great, it is genuine. God knows there is enough disingenuity out there, it would be nice to see something real with a little less manufactured finish. That’s just my opinion, though.

        • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

          Lol, I mean, I agreed with your point that it’s stupid that Dara has to have all these unusual hairstyles to make her seem more charismatic and badass, I was just saying I personally thought the half-shaved look was a big improvement from her palm-tree hair. xP

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nate-Broadus/100003245734823 Nate Broadus

            Fair enough. I do wonder what she would choose for herself, though. I’m sure it would be a nice change to not be the dress-up doll for someone else’s outrageous fashion ideas. Even if her own turned out to be equally loud or wild, it would still probably be much more satisfying.

  • Aoren1703

    I feel for the idols that are receiving/have received bandwagon hate and have fans who only stick with them through the good. 

    An example of this in my opinion would be the SNSD black ocean. Just because a few crazy fan girls decided that they were getting to close to their “oppas” Super Junior and TVXQ (those fans by the way will never date or marry their ‘oppars’) they had a mental breakdown. Slow at first but quickly gaining momentum they all decided to preform a black ocean to those girls who worked so hard for their dreams. It must of been horrible to look out and see a sea of black during your performance and hear fans chanting other groups names while your performing. But worse of all to me is a lot of these same fans now are saying things like ‘Forever 9′ and ‘SNSD is number one’.

    But probably a more recent and ongoing case of bandwagon hate is 2pm. Some people hate them and can’t even tell me why. It got worse when Jay left. Even some of their own fans turned against them. (Why they can’t support both I will never understand) When i ask people who say harsh comments about why they hate them they can only say things like ‘They’re annoying!’ and when I ask why they are annoying I almost always here this line:

    ‘I heard from fan accounts that they….’

    or:

    ‘No one seems to like them on here so they must a**holes…’

    If we believe every fan account than every idol in K-pop is an a**hole.

    • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

      Just so you know, the SNSD’s Black Ocean incident also had a large number of contributing SS501 fans. 

      And regarding 2PM’s fan accounts…well, I’ve read some. And a lot of them say the members didn’t live up to their expectations. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was truth to it. Personally, I like 2PM’s music and I’m not bothered by the fact that some members might be douches in real life. But some people honestly might.

      • Aoren1703

         I don’t have a problem with people who dislike them for a reason, I have a problem with those who dislike them because they ‘heard’ a rumor or because other people dislike them so they just join in. Plus none of these idols will ever meet up to every expectation people have of them because they are just normal people who say silly things and make mistakes too. It’s just silly to me to expect them all to be nice people all the time. If I took all those fan accounts to be the truth that would mean that BB,2PM, and even Beast are all really mean people according to the fan accounts I’ve read.

        Oh and yea there were a lot of SS501 fans who participated in the ocean also, I forgot to mention them, my bad.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7MRYDXY5MJ6HSO2EAFQNQV73TM hazel

      SNSD WHOREEE

  • http://twitter.com/citron0627 citron

    I loved this.

    There are so many things and people I feel sorry for, the list could be really long.
    But, basically I feel sorry for them for not being able to be themselves or show their true feelings. 

  • http://twitter.com/citron0627 citron

    I loved this.

    There are so many things and people I feel sorry for, the list could be really long.
    But, basically I feel sorry for them for not being able to be themselves or show their true feelings. 

  • http://twitter.com/SrilathaR Srilatha Rajamani

    I don’t keep track of the personal lives of these idols but, to my mind,  living in a metaphorical glass house for voyeurs’ pleasure, having to watch their speech and actions all the time, and being an “idol” on a pedestal is the worst kind of existence. I understand training and disciplining yourself to achieve your goal. We all do that and we expose parts of ourselves to the people around us. We are all judged and in turn we judge others in our limited circle But these people have the world judging them, and  not just for their music. A lot of this has to do with the unique nature of promotion within K-POP where constant exposure in non-musical forums is necessary in order to stay relevant. Performers all over the world perform, do live shows, live a big part of their lives on the road, but there is still a cone of privacy that separates them from the public at large. Social media has pierced through this cone and exposed performers everywhere to a greater level of public scrutiny.When this is added to the uniquely K-POP mix of management companies, punitive contracts, idol creation factories, market dynamics, fan-doms, and Eastern cultural sensibilities, a perfect storm environment is created, where creativity, privacy, and ultimately the musicians –  all become the victims.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7MRYDXY5MJ6HSO2EAFQNQV73TM hazel

      MERRY CHRISTMAS YA WHORE

  • happy_slip

    I remember feeling this way when SNSD got Black Ocean’d, and I’m not even a fan of them nor I loved their music that much. I didn’t understand why the ‘annoyance’ a lot of fans felt just because they were apparently close with the SMtown guys and that they have “bad attitudes” had to escalate to actual “hatred” (or intense dislike, if you want) in the form of a deathly quiet audience holding dead lightsticks during their performance. To see groups of people from several fandoms gang up on them was just sad because honestly, no group deserves that kind of treatment, especially over petty reasons. I also felt really bad for Tablo when he was being bullied by knetizens over something so baseless and untrue. It’s sad to watch how the constant bull he gets from those people almost drove him to the edge. T-ara too, considering the shit they took from the moment they started getting big until their scandal happened.

    As for other issues (other than feeling sorry for all of these acts who have to follow insanely strict rules imposed on them by their companies):

    - I sometimes feel bad for most of the “talentless” and/or “useless” visuals constantly being picked on. Maybe if even half of their persistent vocal naysayers actually leave them alone and focus on solely talking about the members they find more worthy of admiration…things wouldn’t be so bad for both the “talentless” and the “talented”.

    - Generally speaking, I empathize with groups being hated and being dismissed by a lot of people just because they have “a lot of stupid, delusional fans”. I get it, a lot of fandoms are annoying and that it might be difficult to ignore them, but to actually let that be the sole basis/biggest factor as to why a person would dislike them without taking to account the work they do and the stuff they put out is just dumb in my opinion.

  • Ditu3ka

    I feel sorry for people who are idols not for idols, if you know what I mean. They chose their path so they should deal with consequences, but they´re also people with ordinary needs, fantasies and dreams, and when that line is crossed in some negative way, they´re hurt. That´s something I understand and my empathy goes to those people under idol´s mask, but I don´t really feel empathy for idols = masks.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7MRYDXY5MJ6HSO2EAFQNQV73TM hazel

      HAPPY WHORE

  • Teena Alex

    i do feel sorry for idols. they go through SO much. i always like the unique person in the group who doesnt get that much attention compared to the other in the group. Secret zinger is beautiful, she has a type of swag to her that i like. Snsd hyoyeon is such an amazing dancer and singer but she just recently got attention. After school ex member bekah, not only can she rap but she can sing also. I think my thing is if a company promotes a group, promote that group as a whole instead of having an individual from that group promote the group. Then that that individual gets all the attention. I like groups like 2ne1 and miss A. each of the girls have their own talents and everything and they can do their individual activities and it doesnt take away from that group. 

  • black_rose45000

    At first I thought there weren’t any idols I felt sorry for, until I read Jasper’s mention of Ji Eun – I also felt sorry for her, and tbh, for other idols too. I didn’t find her as remarkable as Junsu, Changmin who haven’t gotten any wins either, but she worked hard and I thought her efforts were commendable, worthy of at least a “temporary” win, which I can’t really remember if she even got that.
    Others that I felt sorry for her were the Infinite guys, Sungkyu and WooHyun – their bad luck was that they competed in full-fledged-artists-filled shows, but again, I thought they put efforts in creating good stages and do justice to the legends, unlike some other idols who gained tons more popularity (which I won’t name here. And yes, I am butthurt).

    Interesting roundtable, I’ve learned lots of things I didn’t know before. :|

  • JammySmoochie

    Oh, snap. This is rather emotional. lol but anyways…

    I feel bad for U-KISS. They have yet to win an award from a weekly music program. Of course, many idol groups have not won yet too. But U-KISS debuted way too long ago. And it’s not like they are untalented.

    I feel sorry for IU. Self-explanatory.

    I feel bad for Hyuna for the slut comments. And I blame CUBE for all of this.

    I still kinda feel bad for JYJ. Sure, the debacle with SM Ent is finished but I kinda feel that there won’t be major changes for them. And I don’t think I’ll see them in a music show, say Inkigayo. At least not yet.

    And I feel terribly bad for the trainees who would not be able to debut, like ever.

    • http://twitter.com/silverukiss Silver

       “I still kinda feel bad for JYJ. Sure, the debacle with SM Ent is
      finished but I kinda feel that there won’t be major changes for them.
      And I don’t think I’ll see them in a music show, say Inkigayo. At least
      not yet.” —- I read in an interview (which was translated and could potentially be wrong) by Junsu who was commenting on the end of the lawsuit. He was asked if now that it was over JYJ could start appearing on variety shows. His answer was that they should have been able to when the court deemed them legally able to pursue independent activities forever ago, but they haven’t. He doesn’t see how now is all that different.

      I feel for JYJ. I feel for anyone that is blacklisted to try and prevent them from doing what they love to do, even after that Law has deemed that they were in the right. And I could rant about how I hate companies that blacklist anyone who tries to escape before they’ve wrung out every last drop of money from their life blood… but that’s a rant nobody wants to read probably.