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David Letterman Brings The Girls Out

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When I first heard that SNSD, also known as “My Favorite Girl Group Ev-ah,” was to make their US network television debut on “The Late Show with David Letterman,” my first reaction was essentially one of complete horror and disbelief.  I thought that it was such a genuinely terrible idea that I may or may not have made this face:

Call me a bad fangirl if you must, but I am one of those K-pop fans who has had difficulty understanding why, exactly, K-pop groups need to expand into the United States by way of marketing English language material.  My reactions to attempts both previous and current to break into the market have ranged from extreme skepticism to outright opposition.  Aside from the proverbial pot of gold that Korean entertainment companies seem to think awaits them at the end of the proverbial US rainbow, I haven’t been able to conjure up any logical reason for the expansion; it isn’t as if there is a strong precedent of foreign artists (read: artists from non-English speaking/non-Spanish speaking countries) achieving both domestic success and success in the US market.  Sure, there have been stand-outs; Björk hails from Iceland, ABBA came from Sweden, and that group that sang that one techno song that everyone listened to when I was in high school came from Romania.  But attempting to sell, and sell big, in America isn’t exactly the obvious next step for any musical artist promoting outside of the US.  More to the point, K-pop groups have already achieved tremendous success with their Korean music alone across Asia.  Why push your idols to perform in an unfamiliar tongue when the odds of success are hardly in their favor?

Additionally (and now I really will get called a bad fangirl), I can’t help but feel that K-pop acts and in turn, their fans, will suffer nothing but extreme embarrassment from trying to promote in the US.  See here for Patricia’s particularly genius commentary on why, exactly, that might be; in short, there are just some things in K-pop that to the seasoned K-pop fan might be easy or even pleasing to swallow, but would earn a rousing chorus of “WTF” from pretty much everyone else on the planet with eyes and ears.  As much as I love SNSD (and I’m actually wearing a SNSD t-shirt as I type this), I have been forced to acknowledge on more than one occasion that the group is fantastically mediocre in live performances and often saccharine to the point of giving the entire viewing population diabetes.  Does it work for me?  Sure; if it didn’t, I would be wearing this t-shirt.  But all those years spent drinking up the sweet, sweet nectar of the K-pop fandom haven’t erased the memory of my very first reaction to SNSD’s video for “Kissing You” — and I’m pretty sure that I, too, said “WTF is this?”

So, it was with general trepidation and apprehension that I sat down in front of the only wide-screen television in my dorm building to watch the girls take on David Letterman, silently praying to the ‘God of Synchronized Choreography’ that Mah Homegurl (and Secret Best Friend Tiffany) wouldn’t forget whatever complicated dance routine the girls probably learned within the past 48 hours (and no doubt in a sleep-deprived state) in preparation for this moment.

And here it is:

As both a K-pop fan and a huuuge lover of all things SNSD, it is not easy for me to objectively evaluate this performance, but I’m going to give it the good ol’ college try.

As far as K-pop performances go, this truly wasn’t that bad.  Actually, it was pretty good (and again, let me make it clear that I mean this strictly in a K-pop context).  Though the girls were clearly nervous at the outset, they got more comfortable as the performance went on.  I was also digging the remix, though I wish that they hadn’t used a back up track that featured the vocals of some of the lesser-vocally-talented members.  It’s just so obvious that they’re singing over the track, and it’s even more obvious that they’re doing it because their raw vocals won’t hold up live otherwise.  But Seohyun and Taeyeon in particular, were on point (totally appreciated the harmonization there, even if it was only for about 2.5 seconds.  And the rest of the girls sounded kinda-okayish live, as they usually do), the dancing was generally crisp and solid, and Sooyoung in particular was looking hella fierce.  All in all, as a K-pop fan, it went slightly above my expectations, but notably those expectations weren’t all that high to begin with and that is nothing new or shocking.

If I were a non-K-pop fan viewing this performance, I have a feeling that my reaction would have been fairly different.  Because without the context of K-pop, there is really no way anyone should, or reasonably could, call this an awesome performance.  This statement might be something of a K-pop fan reality check, but must be said: SNSD largely sounds pretty “meh” live, especially when they are performing songs that feature intense choreography.  But hey, props to them for even a ‘meh’ performance–knowing how out of breath I get after walking up four flights of stairs, I’d probably choke on my own spit and die if I had to try to sing and dance like that.  But that doesn’t change the fact that the overall outcome of their effort is subpar and weak-sounding to the viewer.  Realistically, I’d probably also be a little bit “WTF?” as well; just peruse Twitter for others who felt similarly:

  • Um what’s this shit girl group!  Lip sync and just some untalented strippers!  Girls Generation is a joke!  #letterman.
  • The weirdest Asian group is performing on Letterman, there’s like 50 of them.
  • Is Girls’ Generation one of those singing groups chosen for their ability to dance?
  • FOR GODS SAKE SOMEBODY BRING THE BOYS OUT AND MAKE IT STOP.  #letterman

Oh, but don’t worry — K-pop fans and Sones took to Twitter in full force to counter the wave of negativity with that special brand of fangirl/fanboy insanity that only K-pop can offer:

  • I just had goosebumps watching SNSD latest performance over at David Letterman!  It’s so awesome!
  • no words to describe SNSD on letterman tonight <3 flawless goddesses.
  • SNSD looked absolutely gorgeous and their performance was flawless.  My girls <3
  • Omg SNSD’s performance on Letterman.  Perfect.

Obviously, SNSD are not strippers, nor are there 50 of them, but neither was their performance flawless, perfect, or anything even close to that standard.  And to use either of those words to describe them is both delusional and insulting to anyone who has ever actually put on a flawless performance.  The reactions via Twitter may be the most extreme, irrational, and unrealistic, but they are generally representative of the “loudest” voices, the voices that have thus far largely colored the debate on whether or not any K-pop act can “make it” in the US.  I am not terribly interested in opening up that can of worms here, but this performance and the reactions it has prompted serve as a pretty heady reminder of the grand disparity that exists between what is “flawless” (or even just acceptable) in the context of K-pop and what is understood as being deserving of airtime on “The Late Show” in the US.

Reality here is, I think, twofold.  On the one hand, it’s a pretty considerable achievement (or evident of a heavy-handed marketing strategy) for SNSD to earn a spot on a nationally-syndicated US television program; it gets the Girls’ name out there, introduces the US to the idea of K-pop, and it can be taken as a point of pride for the Hallyu movement.  On the other, it also introduces the US to the delightfully low standards to which K-pop audiences generally hold their idols to, kind of makes K-pop look like something of a joke to a Western audience that is unaccustomed to both this style of music and performance, and provokes ridicule and criticism.  It’s entirely possible that SNSD won some new K-pop converts through their performance last night, but that comes at a price.

Overall, the Sone in me is proud of SNSD and generally pleased with the performance, but I have to keep reminding myself that I was pleased with it only because K-pop has taught me to lower my standards and be generally satisfied or even happy with mediocrity.  But let’s not forget that SNSD on Letterman is no longer within the realm of K-pop and will (and really should) be judged accordingly on merit alone.

(Fan Pop, CBS)

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  • el person

    I think their performance on Kelly was so much better!! and you saw there personalities on her show more than letterman’s. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WWZG7BQSH2OQPQMJXMBYTQRPQU Ghdksd

    LOL at all the typical 2NE1-stans attacking SNSD especially the filipino 2NE1-stans.   

    Keep ignoring all the evidence I provided in my previous posts from non-kpop sources PRAISING SNSD ON LETTERMAN (and I can provide tons more beside the few I listed.  Tell SB to stop censoring me by deleting my posts and I will post more with links to them so you read them yourselves ) while you repeat the same ol’ critiques repeated a thousand times on articles written here from biased authors here on SB.

    I know that SB is a place with all of anti-SNSD (and anti-SM) kpop girls gather because you are sick of seeing the ‘DESERVED PRAISE and UNPARALLELED ACCOMPLISHMENTS and GROUNDBREAKING SALES’ that Girl Generation gets everywhere else.

    Now that Girls Generation is getting the DESERVED PRAISE from non-kpop US sources for their US performances and all of you are in tizzy.  The anti-SNSD brigade is mad that SNSD is having successful (promotional if not sales-wise) tour in the US and the pro-2NE1 squad is sad that SNSD is invading something they wish/hope/pray was ‘theirs’

    Meanwhile, ‘SNSD in the US’ is the lead/first story of news broadcast in Korea (like on SBS for example) and their performance is talked about all over the world from Spain to Malaysia to the Ukraine (dont believe me? … just Youtube it).  Their status as the #1 music act/entertainers in Korea is further cemented and their international popularity/profile has raised by just having this 1 week promotional tour in the US.

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    I laugh at the people below this post talking about BEG in the US … you that delusional?  And while 2NE1 continues to FLOP in Japan, you all can dream about this mythical debut of 2NE1 in US.  

    Meanwhile the GIRLS GENERATION JUGGERNAUT continues to roll along …

    • VeryCuticle

      LMAO… omg child please stop

      trying to shove these girls down people’s throats are not going to make them n e more popular or have people believe the nonsense you spillin
      if you live in america then you would know that outside the kpop fandom noone gives a hoot n holla about SNSD sorry but’s it’s true bb STOP your embarrassing yourself

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/WWZG7BQSH2OQPQMJXMBYTQRPQU Ghdksd

        It looks like another of my posts were deleted, so I wont add the links this time

        1) Signed by Interscope Records
        2) Soldout concerts (with SMTOWN) in Madison Square Garden NYC to match the soldout concert at the Staples Center in LA
        3) Performances on Letterman and Live With Kelly
        4) About 1,000 people were turned away from their Bestbuy fansigning today and police were called in for crowd control

        To see proof of this go to you Youtube and search for “900 dissapointed SNSD fans, and the 300th person” to see the vid.  I would provide a direct link but SB keeps censoring me

        Yeah, nobody cares in the US .. stop embarrassing yourself.

        All I ever do is provide facts about Girls Generation and others like you insult me.

        • dechen

          errr…there were 300 who got to go inside the store to meet them and about 200 waiting outside …90% of the fans were Asians so there’s nothing new in that.

          Personally…i feel that even if SJ, Big Bang or 2NE1 were to come..they’ll get the same reception.

        • VeryCuticle

           
          LMAO so this was supposed to make your point??? i’m not impressed bb. like i said to the rest of the american popluation that are not in the kpop fandom, doesn’t gives a hoot about them or even knows really who the hell they are so like i said STOP it your making all sones look bad as hell

        • Miss

          re point 1) and 3): you can’t deny SM had a hand in that. money talks. nothing/little to do with the chances of SNSD making it big overseas

          re point 2) and 4): yeah but all that is just because of their pre-established popularity. i would bet good money that at least 90% of the crowd were already kpop fans. 

          the people who care about SNSD in the US already cared about SNSD in general.  they’re not exactly taking the US by storm. i’m not an anti; this could change. but right now, that’s the way it is. 

          • Anonymous

            I have to agree with you on that. Plus, most of the US fans I did see were Asians.

            Who knows how much SM had a hand in all of this. I dunno if anyone knows this, but remember about Tom Cruise coming to India for his movie premiere thing? Well, most of the fans were actually PAID to cheer and ask for his autograph. It’s completely true, cuz I know a few who were paid to do that. But that doesn’t mean all of them were, there were a few who actually knew who the guy was! Seriously, even I was shocked to know most of these guys didn’t know him! :O

          • http://twitter.com/simpledm xelo truo

            Oh wow good to know.

        • http://twitter.com/SoNyeoZaKey wildFancy

          lols. 1000 people is like nothing! kekeke. hey, it’s USA, not the little tiny singapore~!! lalalala. i’m telling you the cruel, honest truth is that wonder girls actually gained a lot more. just remain quiet, because the more you show off, the more flaw we can get about your favorite group…

        • Guest

          “It looks like another of my posts were deleted…”

          Yeah, there’s a reason for that sweetheart.

        • Guest

          1) Interscope huh..so your point is??

          2) SMTOWN…oh well. yes of course it’ll sold out considering its THE WHOLE FRIGGIN COMPANY. and i bet most of them are cassielfs.

          3) umm. so? its just like wonder girls opening for jonas brothers. thats how debuts are done. THEY NEED THAT otherwise they’ll FLOP. really, its just another guest performance from asia. no biggie. americans didnt  care. and they were soooo unimpressed

          4)1000..thats it? i mean…THATS IT??!! omigoshhhh considering you’re implying they’re like sooo popular and all..well, thats soo little. US has a big population, you do know that right.

          and…”900 dissapointed SNSD fans, and the 300th person”…they’re mostly asians dude. and they’re sones. not some random american citizen who were awed by their debut at letterman.

          and your facts are not facts at all. stop it please
          youre embarassing and making a fool out if yourself

    • Guest

      are you DG? lol new name huh

      girls dont mind her she’s snsd obsessed, i tell you..OBSESSED

      • Anonymous

        No I’m not DG. I’m just sane.

        • lay

          err … i think Guest is talking to The Delusional One, Ghdksd, not you.

          • Anonymous

            Got that right after I posted.

    • Anonymous

      Stop. You make SNSD fans sound delusional and pissy. You don’t have to defend them. They did well. Love the girls….. don’t make people hate them because of your stupidity.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/WWZG7BQSH2OQPQMJXMBYTQRPQU Ghdksd

        Funny how you dont say the same to people here on SB who attack SNSD.  

        Delusional? That would imply that I believe something is true when it isnt factually true.  So tell me what I wrote above is factually incorrect

        • Anonymous

          I think you’re delusional in thinking that putting up facts will win people over. They could win the Nobel peace prize and people will still think SM paid people off. Respect that people have different opinions. It makes them look dumb by putting SNSD down to up their group. You yourself don’t have to look crazy because they aren’t going to change. sNSD are amazing and have accomplished so much and will accomplish more in the future. Love them because people who hate them will hate them until THEY(SNSD) impress them not you shoving SNSD down their throats.

        • Guest

          girl, (or boy)..i bet you have no life

          get out, make some friends, socialize…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LL4QDJLVFDT2RDIZYBALSE75JE angel29

      Pro 2NE1 Squad? 

      Anti-SNSD Brigade? 

      You should know better.  If you review your own posts as DG, GHDKSD and what other accounts you have, you should have an idea how ANTIS post.  You post multiple times here and in AKP shoving your hatred for 2NE1 (calling their achievements failures and their faces ugly) and your obsession over SNSD. 

      Now that’s me getting my facts straight!

      • lay

        this person could possibly be that ’2ne1 the best’ above … who posted that way to ‘prove’ his/her ‘claim’ about 2NE1 fans. maybe next he/she’ll post as ‘JYJ the best’. heh …

    • Anonymous

      Why do you insist on beating your point to death?

      WE GET IT! You loooove SNSD and you think they’ve done amazing things and you can’t possibly fathom that there are actually people that don’t see SNSD as porcelain dolls with the golden touch, able to make everything they touch into kpop/international sucess.

      Listen, we have our opinions and you have yours. I’ve read all your comments on this thread and YOU’RE the one that keeps spewing the same tired argument. You post some quote from an article or sales number, peg it as a fact then go on a tirade about how SNSD is taking over the world while us losers here are seoulbeats are just blind to the obvious.

      1. I can’t believe how immature you are for calling 2NE1 flops and talking about BEG that way. Someone brought up who we personally think would have a chance of impressing US audiences and some of us said our two cents. We did not present what we said as FACTS (as you love to emphasize).

      2. Why the hell is this so important to you? Why do you keep coming back to this article if you dislike it so much? And why do you insist on trying to shove SNSD down our throats?

      People are not pegging you as delusional because you bring up “facts” from articles and SNSD’s various accomplishments. You are being pegged delusional because you won’t give it up and you’re so damn fanatical about this whole thing. Really? Unparalleled success? Girls Generation juggernaut? There’s a line between being a supportive fan and a rabid fanatic that loves to shut contrasting opinions out and shove their opinions down everyone’s throat.

      Not everyone who is arguing against you is a 2NE1 stan, I have no idea what that has to do with the way YOU present yourself. And the way you skew the attention SNSD is getting to make it seem like they’ve made a huge explosion all over the world is laughable. Pop that bubble your in and step out from under the rock – attention here and there does not mean ‘WORLD-WIDE UNIVERSAL PRAISE’ as you so love to put it. Obviously, you’ve dug yourself a nice little hole in the SNSD world and anything that enroaches that smells like it doesn’t like SNSD means you’ve got to attack it.

      Calm down. Take a walk. And stop commenting on this thread because you’re only making things worst for yourself.

      You’ve made this not about SNSD, but you. And how you are so so so so blinded by your bias.

      Please, just stop.

      • http://twitter.com/EvilFrenchFries Sol Power

        She called 2ne1 flops in japan which they are. And on a lot of sites, a lot of the hate for SNSD and their US TV appearances came from 2ne1 stans. I believe that’s what she’s refering to.  

        • Anonymous

          Okay. Doesn’t change the fact that she/he’s a hypocrite for spewing the same kind of hate for 2NE1. I’m a blackjack but I haven’t bashed on SNSD. There’s a difference between giving a crtical opinion and ‘hating’. And a lot of deluded over-sensitive fans seems to forget that.

    • Guest

      DG DG DG DG DG DG DG DG

      DG DG DG DG DG DG DG DG

      DG DG DG DG DG DG DG DG

      lol seoulbeats regulars would know who you are

      a possessive, over-obsessive deluded sones who annoyingly keep posting “Facts” about your beloved nine “Goddesses”

      *takes a break to puke*

      see..stop it girl. your love for them is making people hate them more. just saying

      • Anonymous

        this Ghsd is the number-crunching-sales-god D G? wow welcome back lol

        • Guest

          lmao “number crunching”
          “universal praise”
          “girls generation juggernaut”
          “deserved praise”

          Ghdksd…you’re one funny boy/girl

        • Guest

          its quite obvious
          snsd articles would never be interesting without Ghdksd/DG..
          keep posting your “facts” and lame comebacks for me to laugh at xD

  • VeryCuticle

    the performance was underwhelming tbqh on both letterman and rippa sorry but for 20y/o females who have been doing this for idk how long there was no oomph but w.e
     
    the rap break or w/e they would like to call it makes me cringe everytime…

  • Guest

    those snsd praises were exaggerated. really, they’re coming from loud sones. truthfully, no one cared. its just another guest performing on letterman. *sigh* just WHEN are you sones gonna realise they’re not as popular as you claimed them to be?

    It’s true that the global craze of K-pop
    exists but it has been exaggerated by the media. Why? Because there is a
    relationship of deceit between the media and entertainment companies.
    In 2010, in order to cover SM Town Live in LA, more than 20 media
    organizations in South Korea were involved. After enjoying a free ride,
    many praising articles came from the media the day after the concert.
    Thanks to this, SM’s largest shareholder Lee Sooman’s stock rose to
    almost more than 6 billion won in a flash. Lee Sooman’s stock price
    exceeded 200 billion won now. At the end of last year, market value of
    YG Entertainment CEO Yang Hyunsuk publicly listed on KOSDAQ touched 140
    billion won. In 2011, Korea Tourism Organization sent support in the
    form of 300 million won to SM Town Live in Paris. Receiving intensive
    support from media and government, K-pop has conquered domestic market
    and is entering into the world.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WWZG7BQSH2OQPQMJXMBYTQRPQU Ghdksd

      Keep copy-and-pasting from made-up articles from JYJ websites.  

      I forget to add JYJ-stans to 2NE1-stans who love to attack SNSD and other SM artists.

      • Anonymous

        The fact that you’re so defensive only demonstrates the insecurity you feel towards SNSD’s ability.

        If you were confident in their talent, international popularity and critical acceptance you wouldn’t be constantly in this thread trying to provide proof and belittling other commentators. Their performance would speak for itself.

        But it doesn’t, does it? Your actions say it, love.

      • Anonymous

        The fact that you’re so defensive only demonstrates the insecurity you feel towards SNSD’s ability.

        If you were confident in their talent, international popularity and critical acceptance you wouldn’t be constantly in this thread trying to provide proof and belittling other commentators. Their performance would speak for itself.

        But it doesn’t, does it? Your actions say it all, love.

      • Chelz

        If, you can’t take the criticism don’t criticize others. It’s good that you love something so much, but clearly your love for them is causing others to hate them.

        I for one think it’s great that they’re being invited on these shows. To be honest I don’t think it was a big thing outside of the kpop scene. I live in Los Angeles and I don’t ever hear others asking about any thing kpop…. Even when Im talking about music or dramas.

        I have a problem with ‘artist’ who have to sing over recorded tracks. I dislike it a lot. I also find it annoying that there’s so many members, but they can’t sing live with the voice over. It’s not just this group, but it’s a problem with pop groups in general…. In korea and overseas. There’s so many members, but they can’t sing without the recording? Pretty disappointing. And the autotone!? That’s irks me to the point where I turn it off. Must everyone use autotone? Its fine to use it just don’t over do it?

      • Guest

        this one’s coming from Professor Lee DongYeon, who teaches cultural theory at Korea National University of Arts.lol truth hurts huhso like your girls, one debut at letterman and “ohhhh snsd conquered the world!!!” ahahaha oh man this is funny

  • 2ne1 the best

    all i see is a bunch of stupid girls thinks that they are cool
    what so special about them again ???

    • lay

      awwww … i bet you’re not even a Blackjack.

    • Miss

      keep trollin

    • http://twitter.com/simpledm xelo truo

      Way to use 2ne1 name and bash people. I hate it when you’re reading a well made paragraph by a reader and you scroll down to see this crap.

  • http://www.facebook.com/roan.deguzman3 Ro-an de Guzman

    Um what’s this shit girl group!  Lip sync and just some untalented strippers!  Girls Generation is a joke!  #letterman.

    Which of the ff. are more stripper-like?

    or these…

    I understand that there is a huge cultural differences between Korea and US. Korea has jailbaits the same way as US. Hyuna, Tia of Chocolat, Sohee of Wondergirls, SNSD, but they did not went to the same level as the girls above. Besides, that kind of attention and publicity won’t also fly well to the ahjussis, setting aside the fact that Asian men like Koreans like submissive females.

    If the cases of young Korean teens I’ve mentioned above (in the case of SNSD, only Seohyun is about to turn to 20s the rest are adults), sure, they are sexualized and at the same time, infantilized… which I think is very horrible. However, making teens and childen act and strut like adults is even more disturbing. It’s not even empowering either. It’s even more sexually objectifying.

    Well, I used to hate SNSD like hell. I am more of a 2NE1, AfterSchool and BEG fangirl, but what’s amazing with SNSD is despite the weakening performance on-stage, the transformation of their image is great, they have finally graduated from being ahjussi-bait and they sexified decently. Also, their attitude is getting more professional. However, when it comes to interacting with American hosts, Wondergirls DOES IT BETTER, as all girls answer in English. Their English ain’t that perfect too, but the difference between SNSD and Wondergirls is, in SNSD, only 2 can interact with the hosts (there is even an incident when Taeyeon and Yoona fell asleep) while all members of Wondergirls are alert in answerin questions.

    The performance of SNSD in David Letterman ain’t that perfect either, and Taeyeon, despite powerful vocals, she seemed to losing her liveliness on-stage. Jessica does it great, and so as Seohyun. I bet, Sooyoung and Hyoyeon will be the most attractive ones on US debut. I guess SME should put onto English training of all members so that at least they can give greater impact that could surpass Wondergirls.

  • Guest

    lol daniel radcliffe got snsd’s cd long time ago and didnt even bother to listen…

    trololol

    • maldita

       Uh that’s ’cause he got one from a fan only recently and hasn’t had time to listen. And come on. Daniel Radcliffe’s a hipster who frowns on pop culture.

  • alex

    Remove David Letterman, all the Americans in the show and forget that it was televised in America and possibly worldwide, then I wouldn’t have felt so embarrassed by their performance. I actually thought it was great save from the horrendous lip-synching. But really, the word ‘awesome’ can only be applied to that perf if it was in South Korea. Kpop has amazingly made my standards low. Sad life. 

  • Kobe

    There’s so much American bias on this website by not only the authors, but also the commentators.  It makes me wonder why people even bother to frequent this site when, according to their own admission, kpop is mediocre?  If kpop has made your standards so low, why even follow it?

    • Anonymous

      It’s a guilty pleasure for me.

    • Anonymous

      Very good question. 

      There are a lot of American commenters and writers here so it is inevitable that there is some American bias. 

      Why am I interested in kpop? I like the music of 2ne1 and to some extent After School (I like them when they are doing ‘classy’). I also like listening to Melissa (aka smrr00) on sunday morning. I’ve also started listening to Ali. A lot of kpop is mediocre, but so is a lot of American music and a lot of Dutch music. 

      I’m also interested because the Far East is a region that it is becoming richer and its cultures become more and more important on a global level. Kpop provides a window to the Far East. I also like traveling in countries like China and Taiwan. I’ll visit Japan in a few months. I also like reading books that explain the history of the Far East and its cultures. However I don’t claim to understand the Far East or to really know the Far East. I also can’t speak a language from that area. Understanding the Far East is very hard for me. I also like visiting museums with Asian art or stuff in the Netherlands. 

      I’ve visited America once, but visiting the Far East is more exciting for me and Europe has also plenty to offer when it comes to culture. So now I limit my travels to Europe and the Far East. 

      I’m not American by the way, I’m Dutch. 

      Maybe my answer is a little bit off topic and random but anyway….

    • Mija

      I’m into kpop because Korean culture is interesting to me and kpop is a part of that culture plus the songs are catchy and I like foreign music. With that being said I don’t pay for any of the music because i’m well aware that it is cheesy, manufactured and mediocre even if i do like it. 

      • Anonymous

        I’ve bought a 2ne1 dvd. 

      • Anonymous

        So do you download the music illegally instead, thereby cheating the artists and their companies out of their hard work and effort?

        I don’t disagree that kpop is mediocre, but “fans” who refuse to pay money for songs they download by using “mediocrity” as a justification piss me off. People work their butts off to put this music out there. If you don’t like it, then don’t listen. But if you are going to download the music, then pay for it.

        Btw, if my comment does not apply to you (i.e. you just watch youtube videos instead of downloading), then I apologize for my brusque manner.

        • Arbitrary_greay

          You can work hard digging a hole to nowhere, too. Maybe if less people paid money for songs with hard work as a justification, I dunno, companies might work hard to make GOOD music instead of just mediocre. 

          • Anonymous

            If you are going to use the hole the people dig, then you should pay them for it. If you are going to download the music people make, then you should pay them for it. If you don’t like the music, then don’t download it. But don’t exploit someone’s efforts because you consider it “not good enough for your money” (even though you obviously find it good enough to illegally download it).

          • ayejayem

             Word. This goes for American artists as well, if I like your music, you deserve my money. E.g., Clazziquai

    • Arbitrary_greay

      Note that this article is specific to the SNSD performance of “The Boys” on Letterman being mediocre. I am fan of many things in Kpop that are not mediocre. However, they are not things that transfer well when trying to appeal to an American music market with audiences that, for the most part, do not take the time to check out foreign cultures and music. (Such as the personalities, the dynamics, and the more bubblegum music)
      And because of the nature of fandom, where the personalities, dynamics, etc. are more important than the music, most fans have relaxed their standards with regards to the traditional music artist things: the music and the performances. 

  • Guest

    For the delusional SNSD fans who thinks that the performance on David Letterman is flawless, it is not just SB but this is what most people who saw SNSD for the first time on David Letterman think about their performance.

    http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=461499

    • http://twitter.com/ryzlbrmudz Rayzel Bermudez

      I read most of the comments… ouch ;) 

    • Dechen

      Can u send this link to the Korean media….please! Hehehe

    • Pooddle2993

      I liked the comment.”.are they a parody group?”  that was…funny and so innocent! ;))

    • Hoooooooooooieeeee

      lol. now where is the “UNIVERSAL PRAISE” huh

    • Guest

      Another clown who thinks that SNSD will become bigger than the Beatles after appearing on David Letterman.

      http://community.boredofstudies.org/showthread.php?t=276170

      • lay

        LOL. that person takes ‘delusional’ to a whole new level …

  • http://colourmesplendid.wordpress.com Ree

    I actually think this performance was really good — but a performance will only be as good as the song is, and The Boys… isn’t a good song.

    On another note, whilst I’m not surprised at the reactions, some of those twitter posts did leave me on edge. Seriously, strippers?

    • http://twitter.com/arigatomida jesse

      Well, their outfit at the time seems burlesque. Maybe you haven’t gone to strip clubs before.

      • http://colourmesplendid.wordpress.com Ree

        No, I haven’t been to a strip club before. But it still bothers me to see ‘stopper’ thrown around in such a derogatory way. 

        • http://twitter.com/arigatomida jesse

          You really can’t blame them. In strip joints that’s what they wear. So people who have been to those clubs will associate SNSD to strippers. I’m not saying SNSD are strippers but their experience with those burlesque outfits tell them that SNSD might be strippers. Emphasis on the MIGHT.

  • Poodle2993

    It was awkward…ish but as a fellow asian, I’m, proud of them. But i really really think that they all need to practice with the way they pronounce/sing their english words. Taeyeon’s “deep” in my heart became “DIP” in my heart. Seriously. No matter how good of you are as a singer, even if you know how to reach notes, IF you don’t know how to sing the words perse, it wouldn’t come out as equally good or better. So i think that, maybe instead of just focusing on singing and acting, and acting pre-pubertal (if there’s such a word, hehe), SM entertainment, should give english lessons BEFORE shipping them to the US. English lessons not just to speak but to actually answer SENSIBLY. Yes, America has shows that are shallow and actually finds dumb acting enteratining. But there is a double standard for Asians. Wouldn’t it be more attractive for SNSD to be pretty, talented, and able to answer…intelligently or at least…SENSIBLY. We don’t want SNSD to present themselves as Asian Barbie dolls with a push talk button for “Totally” or “Omygahd”  I like them,I really do…but the language barrier is really so…..unattractive. 

  • lolwut

    lol just stop making hate comments guys.you’ll get ‘attacked’ by those supporting fan/people. well, just leave them in their own delusional way of thinking. just wait and see whether the girls will make it in the usa or not. well, actually, we already know the answer, right? sigh why can’t everyone just accept the truth? people really need to remember that it’s the management company that could make the girls happen to perform on those shows. what’s with the hating, seriously? can’t we just express ourselves? f.

  • Blossemcup4

    I actually felt kind of proud to see them performing on a US show. I’ve never felt that Kpop was mediocre and I find it a bit insulting. I would prefer it if Kpop artists didn’t try to debut in America, but if they insist on doing it, I’ll still support them.

  • tripplestep

    I completely agree with your assessment and bewilderment at all the past, present, and future efforts by Asian superstars to “break” into the US market.  I grew up in the US and I love living here, but frankly, Asia is a bona fide huge economic power.  US companies are scrambling to expand into Asia.  Luxury companies like LV are only growing because the nouveau riche in China are gobbling up their purses and what nots like crazy.  Like most people who spend their lives in the US, I grew up with this notion that Americans have the best technology, fashion, etc.  But when I went to college and made friends with students from Asia, I’m floored by the tech gadgets and fashion that they sport – I’ve finally resolved that Asia is the hub of innovation.  Yes, the US has Apple, but seriously, besides that….I kind of cringed watching this performance – they’re good, but it’s difficult to appreciate the beauty or value of entertainment when taken out of context.  

    • Anonymous

      I think that being successful in America generates prestige among people from the far east.  It doesn’t matter very much if that success is real or just imagined. Here 
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yCjKaIPWI&feature=related  you see Thai tv reporting about snsd’s performance in Letterman’s show. It is free publicity for SNSD. SNSD is only in America for a short time, I don’t think they will forget/ignore their fans in the far east.

    • RocketSocket

      Regarding best technology – America still triumphs that part in military terms – even China’s PLA is still 10-20 years behind the US military, and that’s putting it in a optimistic way.

  • http://twitter.com/joAnnwashere JoAnn // Annie ♡

    Why does this site seem more like a hate site than anything else @___@

    • Igbygrl

      Maybe because of some stans trolling this site that’s why.

    • Anonymous

       Because they aren’t brown nosing and just being objectively honest doesn’t make them a hate site. It always drives me crazy that some kpop fans can’t even be honest or realistic about their own bias. I LOVE love love bigbang and jaypark and other kpop artists. But I am honest about it when they f**k up or are bad at something. I don’t call this hate. People need to be more honest. And I like that.

    • Anonymous

       Because they aren’t brown nosing and just being objectively honest doesn’t make them a hate site. It always drives me crazy that some kpop fans can’t even be honest or realistic about their own bias. I LOVE love love bigbang and jaypark and other kpop artists. But I am honest about it when they f**k up or are bad at something. I don’t call this hate. People need to be more honest. And I like that.

  • Lolo

    Totally offtopic but….YG ent just announced BigBang’s” Alive world tour” with Live Nation!
    They will b touring 16 countries and 25 cities….cannot contain my excitement right now!!!

  • ALPINECABIN

    i agree with this article big-time stylie

  • A.

    The only appeal that drew me to Korean pop at first was that they sang in Korean… The Boys just sounded like a american tween attempt at pop, even in context I didn’t like it. 

  • http://twitter.com/boriblue12 Bori Rulez

    Honestly, I don’t think SM is trying to go full force with SNSD to break into the US market. All they did was release a maxi single and only bothered going over when they were INVITED. SNSD is focusing on Japan and Korea, testing waters in US, perhaps attempting to tap into that market. However SM does realize that Asia has much more potential, hence EXO coming out in China and Korea instead of forming some American-Korean group for a US debut. This site is just so damn biased.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M2DD2NLBZYOVW4UAVUH3ZLEYPY perplexedplum

    Let’s face it, Girls Generation (and most of SM’s groups except for maybe Shinee) produce music that very much appeals to the Asian taste rather than the Western one.

  • am

    Interesting post, I like your honest opinion :D

  • Black_Plague

    Obviously, SM sees breaking into the US market as a way to intake more profit. Whether if SNSD wants to debut in the US or not is irrelevant with what SM’s highest Jabba the Hutts think is best – PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT. They’re already immensely popular in Asia and to a small degree, Europe – isn’t that enough already? It’d be best if they rather tried to hit it big in Europe than the US, at least in my opinion.

    As much as I believe in capitalism, this is stretching beyond the limits in nearly all categories. The US is still a major, if not, THE worldwide leader in entertainment, definitely more than Korea for the time being.

  • Lavendah

    by kpop standard that was ok.. But it’s actually nowhere near “flawless”.. They were so wooden and lack power in dance (minus Hyo’s 2secs)

  • roll&dice

    the matter of that its SM and the song is in english. that’s why it’s just so weird for pple to understand the whole thng. SM (or any other agencies I presume) took the advantage of it just because you have fans in other countries and understandbly we might thought they can make it big.
    we should let them grow big by just letting them sing in korean because thats the reason we love them the first place!!!

    • http://twitter.com/NotMyBirthday21 Lakeisha

      They won’t become mainstream that way. The only people that would be interested in them would be Korean Americans that can speak and understand Korean. I have never seen a song that was on Billboard’s Hot 100 and wasn’t in English. 

      • Anonymous

        Well, there was the numa numa song which became popular… I think that rather than having to be understandable, i think the hook of the song has to be pronouncable. 
        Hence the english in some kpop songs, maybe?

  • http://twitter.com/MixsimusEdy Mixsimus Edy

    SNSD just  try to make a debute in the US,they are invited to the show(said SeoHyun).  They r not promoting their song as other artist do, they just sell it and that was a wonderfull start.  K-Pop just spreadng their wave into the whole world, and it’s still fresh.  K-Pop is now leader of Asian Entertiment.
    I chose to become a fan of crazy to K-Pop as ideas and their temperament is more safe and fun.When compared to western music, K-Pop is still new. But let us look morally and logically. There are many western songs pornographic and unsafe for young people to hear. Music is not about sexual ardor, as B.Spears and the others star tried to capture. I was happy to K-Pop songs, none of those songs that is sexual in nature. They just sexy. Who does not like sex? This is their point.  It’s not that all of them highlight the carriage, and I am proud to Adele, but from what I saw, almost all. 
    Their music is great. They were only wrong to bring music to the public by such means.  Lady Gaga, my absolute surprise to the influence of non-goodmusic. There is a song that she falls in love with Judas. He also performs with Sister dress. It was brave but cursed.Let’s hope that if K-Pop is very famous, they do not take this kind of element.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002780664624 Jolly Roger

    Author makes a rational argument except for one glaring point. Nobody listens to any type of “pop” music for sophisticated artististry or vocals. Pop, especially Kpop, is more about the visuals and personality than the music, and SNSD abounds in both. It is just a matter of how to get these across to an American audience.

  • Alex O.

    I actually agree that K-Pop has lowered my standards slightly. When I first encountered it, my reaction was “WTF?” Though over the years my Asian friends have brought it up again and again and finally after years of repetition, a familiar K-Pop song came on in H-Mart and I thought “Oh  I know this song!” and then somewhere along the way of me remember what the song was called, I became a K-Pop fan.

    I’m Asian too, but I’ve never really looked well upon Asia. Not because I think America is superior, but I’d say that the culture can sometimes be very superficial. The news programs there make me want to smack my head against the wall and bawl about what journalism has come to in some nations. A two minute segment on an earthquake followed by a five minute segment on a pretty girl working in a butcher shop. And get what the buzz about this girl was all about: she’s so pretty! Why, oh why is she working in such a place!

    Of course there are disappointing parts of American culture too, but every nation has some sort of flaw and while I could go on and on about what these flaws might be, I won’t because this post will be about why SNSD is not succeeding in the U.S.

    Anyway, I’ve been hooked. But because my visceral reaction was “WTF” I can only assume it was the same for many other Americans. 

    And judging by this post it looks like I hate SNSD. I don’t. I’ve seen enough shows to know that SNSD can be pretty independent and adventurous when they want to be. Especially with “Run Devil Run.” But I get a little disappointed every time they try to revert back to “babies.”

    They say they’re going for a more mature image, and that’s what I thought I saw with “Run Devil Run” and the “The Boys” but with “Twinkle”….some parts show more maturity, but the feathered robes and pastel colors aren’t doing it for me.

  • Amy Chu

    Man, this article spoke to me.  I’m so used to lip syncing…scripted material… laugh tracks…  it’s not even funny.  I know, their schedules are crazy, but you’re right that I have very very low standards for Kpop.  And I have very high standards for English songs (cuz I was in choir ^_______^), cuz, if you’re not good at singing and dancing (if the song warrants) then why are you here?  I mean, no one needs to be amazing… but I really don’t think half of Shinee (my favorite!) can sing.  Or dance.  Taemin and Eunhyuk are considered good dancers in the Kpop world, but they are really not when compared to most dancers (it hurts to say this :(). English singers get such crap for using autotune, even though they technically sang (it was.. err… improved), but I’m totally fine with SNSD lip syncing all over the place. 

    To be honest, Shinee’s first song that I heard (Lucifer) reminded me SO MUCH of Flo Rida’s “Low” that I immediately went to listen to that to compare.  It turns out that they’re not completely alike.  Then I heard G-Dragon’s song, and that sounded like Flo Rida’s “Right Round”, which makes sense…

    I’m really starting to wake up from the Kpop bubble.  Which was helped by Han Geng, Jay Park, JYJ… :(  And the Boys over Flowers actress’ suicide.  Oh man, if Korean stars start making it big in America, please please  someone compare the situation to the Catholic priests’ sexual abuse cases (organizations with secrecy, a strict hierarchy, betrayed trust, etc.).