• kingkong

    2008 is really is that great!!!!

  • pammiej85

    2008 in Kpop was great to me because it exemplified a time in which everything seemed possible. You could see all the evolution that Kpop idols were having. And it did help that there weren’t all of those “filler” groups. It’s not only Cassies who think that it was a good time in Kpop. I know a lot of people who were around for 4 to 5 years beforehand that thought it was really special. It seemed that Kpop was on the cusp of being a world level industry.

    But the only thing that followed was mediocrity. Sure, Kpop has become more internationally known but the quality and what made Kpop appear unique seems to be diminishing by the year.

  • WoY

    There’s also BEG with their ‘How Come” and the comeback of Jewelry. Overall 2008 was full with great stage performer. There’s also MC Mong, SG Wannabe, Song Ho Young, Sung Si Kyung last album, Alex, Clazziquai Project, K-will, etc..
    Overall, 2008 give us a good  balance of idol and artist..

    2011 give us a glimpse of what 2012 will bring.. More artist shove to the back for idol with big and dedicated fanbase (still butthurt over Sung Si Kyung not winning anything for his comeback), more autotune (and maybe dubsteb) and half ass performance stage.

    But I still like it though. But yes, I miss the 2008 era and music.. It’s soo much fun.

  • Mija

    I just got into kpop last year but I kept seeing people mention how great it was in 2008 and how good Gayo Daejun was that year. I became curious about it so I watch the 2008 Gayo and I definitely see what they were talking about. That show was great, and I saw why people loved DBSK so much and I’m kinda sad I didn’t know about them back then. 

  • maldita

    2008 was the year I really got into K-pop. Stumbled into it in 2005 during DBSK’s “Rising Sun” days, but I was more into the variety shows and dramas back then. Then I got hooked by SHINee’s awesome debut and I’ve been following K-pop ever since. I may be a Cassie, and a tad bit biased because “Mirotic” was really something else, but 2008 was a really good year for music. Apart from the already mentioned in the article, there was more variety because people like MC Mong, Epik High, etc. were promoting and doing well alongside the idols. Yes, 2009 really kickstarted the whole “K-pop’s the new Hallyu” thing, but it also started the massive idol group debut boom.

    Just watch MKMF, GDA, and even the Gayo Daejuns in that year alone. Lightyears away from the present ones in terms of quality and star power, really.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vedrana-Kurtovic/100001677746903 Vedrana Kurtovic

    I honestly do believe that 2008 was the greatest year in recent kpop history. I started listening to kpop in 2006 and while that was a good year, nothing can surpass 2008.

    Can you remember the teasers SM released every week, teasing us with DBSK’s comeback? Jae in chains, Changmin’s scream, Yoochun’s epic bowl-cut, Junsu’s edgy hairstyle, Yunho’s chin dance?

    Can you remember So Hot craze that was subsequently overshadowed by the madness that was Nobody?

    Can you remember everyone whistling to Haru Haru and the Jiyong’s epic run to the hospital?

    What about Son Dambi’s Crazy and the chair dance that was so widely mimicked?

    Hyori’s U-go-girl stages and confident smiles? The iconic “Let’s roll baby~ Ummm, okay!” phrase?

    Or Rain’s Magic Stick dance and “I’m gonna be a bad boy, I’m gonna be a bad bad boy~”

    It is not just nostalgia about the days when kpop belonged only to a handful of international fans. I just liked the times when there was less autotune, less ridiculous costumes, less groups… When fandom was stronger, but less aggressive. When it wasn’t about being the “first” to like a group.

    It was more magical back then.

    Everyone who was there with me would surely agree. I’m not for bashing or ignoring rookie groups, but kpop is over-saturated now. Back then it was more exclusive. There were kpop royalties, there were some truly epic songs that were promoted for months and not like nowadays – 3 weeks promotion period, 3 weeks rest, new single.

    • Msxy

      OHHH old Sm teasers….so damn expected by everyone…standing in front of the Pc waiting for their release….What do you have now? 3, 4 or 5(I dont count them anymore) teasers of the same person with the same dance  when you have like 12 persons in that group wainting to be presented…

      What I remeber the most is Eun Ji Won singing Adios…Seriously that mexican style singing Why Baby Why…You said goodbye…. ORALE! That was the beginning of 2008 and it was GREAT! It was FUN seeing him “speaking” spanish xD

    • daniaaaye

      OH MY GAWDDDD REMEMBER YOOCHUN’S CURTAIN HAIR :”DDDD

      • Msxy

         My memories are stuck in JJ and the slighltly BDSM he was involved in (yes I see it like that) *innocenteyes*

        • Anonymous

          LOL, I thought that that was what it was suppose to look like. All the guys looked great there.

          • Msxy

            Yes I guess it was but you’ll be surprised by the number of people who actually told me that I was insane back then for thinking that way…Looool
            But common with the dirty lyrics it was only normal for them to actually play it HARD! xD
            Good old times, when someting could actually surprise you :D

          • daniaaaye

            lmao. mirotic opened my eyes to db5k’s ability to be sexy and sell sex like srs bsns lol. maaaaan that was good old gold times sobs

    • esalocanegra

      My god, how time flies!
      It doesn’t feel all that long ago; but now look… it’s 2014.
      Can you believe it?
      Now, the same might be asked of 2012,
      wherein now there is a greater demand for originality,
      and less cookie cutter boy/girl groups; wherein now,
      a seven member group is pushing it; and
      the only reason why EXO survived in an era
      where there will never be another SuJu,
      is because they brilliantly split them in two;
      and following the great break-up that was DBSk/TVXQ,
      it seems more and more groups are unceremoniously breaking up.
      It begs the question, “Where is the great staying power in the world of K-pop?”
      What changes will be made to save one of the country’s most valued industries over the long-haul; and will those changes benefit the artists as much as the management/entertainment companies and the country they help to support financially, among other things?

  • Boo

    I was only around for 2009 but watching the releases from 2008, it seemed like an extremely good year for KPOP. The 2nd Gen frontliners (BB, TVXQ, Wonder Girls) were at the top of their game and their releases were phenomenal. Their songs sparked national dance crazes. Their music changed the game for KPOP. There was also a lot more variety in terms of songs.

    If you look at 2011, was there really a release that could compare to the craze that was Nobody? Because that is what I look for each year in KPOP. That one release that sweeps the nation. Parodies flying all over the place and such.

    2009 should also be included as part of the Golden Years. It had Gee, Sorry Sorry, Again&Again, Abracadabra, Mister, Genie, I Don’t Care, Heartbreaker. All extremely memorable and iconic songs.It was one good song after another because artists and their companies felt pressured to step it up if they want to do well.

    What happened after is an oversaturation of the market. Everyone’s too busy copying off each other and recycling the same tired autotune, repetitive crap of 2 years ago. Some are experimenting and there have been good releases the past year but no one has really discovered that next big song. That song that’s going to push everyone to try harder. 

    What I’m thankful for is that sub-units and soloists appear to be becoming more popular. It’s a change up from the usual in my opinion.

    • http://www.twitter.com/hipployta Hipployta

      2009 was pretty interesting

  • Msxy

    2008 was great beacuse there was some kind of diversity in music and not in groups/idols…If you wanted balads you had Sg Wannabe Davichi, 2AM etc, If you wanted some catchy music(whitouth that much autotune) you had Big Bang, Wonder Girls, Seeya and even DBSK as group or Lee Hyori as a soloist…If you wanted R&B/Rap music you had Alex, Mc Mong(ohhh i miss him),Eun Ji Won or even Weesung and Rain(You two come back from the army NOW) and if you wanted club music you had Clazziquai ..You just had a few artists/idols singing a bunch of different songs!

     What do you have nowadays? A LOT of groups singing mostly the same songs because all of them sound the same! catchy autotune beats, that you cant stand listening for more than 2 times a day (if you can) and real arstist pushed at the back because people are feed up with idols on Tv (you’re not what you used to be Variety shows!)

    2008 was Kpop per se and not so Westernized like now! tthey actually believe that if they make  autotuned westernized music they will succed in America and thats a very big Fail! We already have that here why do we need some new bands singing the same thing? Oh well, what can we do! I want to believe that this Mediocrity its a stage that most genres have to pass

    • whatthefrell

      It’s kind of like those old sayings,
      “I was country before country was cool,” or
      “I was punk rock before punk rock was cool.”
      Only now it’s “I was K-pop before K-pop was cool.”
      A agree with you regarding the state of K-pop in 2008,
      and the concern expressed in terms of mediocrity rearing it’s ugly head today.
      In 2008 and 2009 (which is when I jumped on board and clung for dear life),
      K-pop was so refreshing. 

      Even I have reservations about the need for world domination. 
      I don’t want it to lose site of what makes it special.
      Par example:  there’s no need for HyunA to be
      bumpin, grindin and crawlin all over Hyunseoung on the sofa for all to see.
      She’s a little hottie period, all that extra stuff is not necessary.

      I worry that K-pop will lose it’s charm…
      In that sense, I can see why some would long for 2008. 

  • http://www.twitter.com/hipployta Hipployta

    Honestly 2008 was a really great year…I’m not even a Cassie and I remember all the Mirotic madness and Under My Sky nonsense. I remember EVERYBODY doing dance covers of Rainism (Jay Park’s was the best cover on Idol Army) and his feud with Colbert. I remember Uhm Jung Hwa’s Disco and U Go Girl with Hyori. I remember 2pm, Shinee, and 2am debuting…man I miss the old 2pm, r&b Shinee, and….well I still love 2am lol. SS501 and leaders BOF surge…

  • Anonymous

    2008 and 2009 and the artists that dominated those years proved to be influential shifts in direction of popular music. I’m praying that the popularity garnered by IU, HyunA, CNBLUE and I Am A Singer spells the demise of idol groups – at least for now.

    • anon

      agree. less idol groups, more musical idols. I don’t even like iu or hyuna all that much, but I’d take either of them over a 6+ member group any day. either you have the “star power” to make it big or you don’t and the saturation level in the idol market is ridiculous. sink or swim, if you will.

  • Delia

    I was introduced to Korean music through dramas, and only joined mainstream kpop because of CN Blue. Before their debut in 2010, my knowledge of mainstream kpop was limited to the names of popular groups like DBSK, SS501, SuJu, SNSD, WG and Big Bang and soloists like BoA and Rain. I’d only heard a smattering of said artists’ songs, but did not get the hype surrounding these groups. In a way, I’m glad I kept an open mind, otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to appreciate newer groups like B2st, MBLAQ and Infinite. Some of my friends who were groupies (as I’d use to call them) have fallen out of love for kpop and grown jaded, but I’m surprised by how kpop has captured my attention over the past year and discovered seoulbeats! :) Kpop’s a lot slicker now and even 2011 rookie groups like MYNAME and LEDApple have pretty professional debut MVs, though I’m kept busy enough with my current bias groups to accommodate these newer groups… Until they blow me away.

    That being said, SuJu had better times with Don’t Don…

  • http://twitter.com/clazzigirl BoBGirl

    That’s true saying “2008 was better” is becoming a kpop meme but honestly, take any 2007-2008 year end show and compare it with the latest one, you can clearly see the non-idol acts represent at least half of the performers and they were far more interesting than the idols acts nowadays. Moreover, it was the beginning of the kpop scene (in its narrowest meaning dixit Tell Me concept) as we know it today so it was fresh. The idols who could perform in the gayo year end shows were the ones who succeeded reaching a certain popularity contrary to now, that’s why there’s a sentiment of tiredness watching this flood of new groups (who fail to deliver solid performances).
    Of course, there’s always some kind of nostalgia from the “old” fans so there IS a subjective aspect. Anyway, there are a lot of other factors to add in this conversation but in the end, there’s no turning back for better or worse.

  • Guest

    Wows was that already four years???? Definitely good times. 2008 will never be forgotten

  • Anonymous

    I recommend everyone here to find and watch the full 2008 mkmf. Seriously speaking, I am a skeptical person, but even I have to admit mkmf 2008 was probably the best. As years pass and more idol groups show up, I seriously do feel a little disappointed with Kpop. I watched the award shows this year, and to be honest, I am not certain whether I would want to continue watching the whole award shows next year. It seems like my disappointment about the current stage of Kpop just increases continuously. 
    First, back then there weren’t that many groups. Most of the groups that debuted that year, IU, 2A/PM, Shinee, and Davichi are all talented. The groups are more polished and have great skills. Therefore, during that time, I was lucky enough to witness the birth of many talented artists and I was really happy about it. Since most of the groups that debuted that year were trained really well, I didn’t have much doubt about the entertainment companies back then. They showed me that they only let their talented and polished artists debut. Also, some artists’ best works were released on 2008. (I still think that Mirotic was DBSK’s best korean album and their live performances in Japan and their Japanese ballads were amazing, I got the know Bigbang because of Haru Haru and WG because of Nobody) So I was quite satisfied with the music quality and wasn’t skeptical much. 
    Second, I’m sorry for mentioning about MKMF and not talk about it first, but MKMF of 2008 was truly amazing. I watched the whole show and if everyone here watched it, you will agree with me that other than the artists mentioned above, there are a lot of other artists participating and receiving awards, such as Epik High, Shin Seung Hoon, Seo Taiji, Nell, Kim Jong Wook, SG wannabe and Jewelry. I do admit that Wonder Girls, DBSK and Bigbang seemed to dominate the award show but still, I could see a lot of different performances with different types and in different genres. (H.O.T’s Moon Heejun, and a lot of other senior artists, which I don’t know their names) There were many senior artists. The show back then was truly an award show. It was not an idol show at all. Watching the 2011 ones just made me feel sad. There are other non-idol senior artists who are really good but none of them performed. Now, it’s all about idols and spreading “Hallyu wave”. I’m not saying that it’s wrong but it just changed the industry and made Kpop music become less “honest”. I guess I’ve been a Kpop fan for a long time and that the things I witnessed back then were so amazing that I couldn’t just forget it. 
    Third, 2008 was, you could say, the “gathering” of many truly talented artists. DBSK, Bigbang, Wonder Girls, Jewelry, Lee Hyori, Rain, Epik High…were all very active back then. On 2009, DBSK were on the verge of separating, Bigbang started to release a lot of solo work and not until August that they started to promote their Japan songs as a group (not saying that I dont like the solo but I want more from BB as a group), WonderGirls went to the US and left the Kpop scene, Epik High Tablo got into troubles later on 2010, LeeHyori came back with CCBB but it turned out to be a copy, Rain started to focus on playing a role in Hollywood movie,… Now, DBSK separated, BigBang got involved with scandals, Wonder Girls went to the US after that and they just came back, Jewelry+Hyori+Rain are all inactive now, Epik High are not together (not saying that they disbanded), …So yeah, after 2008, you could rarely see all these artists together. So you could say that somehow, old Kpop fans like me feel that sth was missing. 
    I’m not saying that 2009, 2010 and 2011 are completely crappy. There are new talented idols and amazing comebacks of the “old” artists. Kpop has become much bigger and more popular. But compared to the glory of 2008, I’m sorry, it cannot be compared. Maybe if you are like me, someone who has been with Kpop since 2007 and actually observed the industry during 2007 and 2008, then maybe you can understand what this long rant of mine is about. For those who are like me but disagree, it’s okay :) we have different opinions. For the new fans, I’m not trying to show my “superiority” or how much I know about Kpop and say I know more than you but I’m just trying my best to express my old emotions :)

    ps: gosh, this must be my longest post so far -”-! 
    ps2: thanks Seoulbeats writer for making me remember the old memories that I had as a Kpop fan :)

    • Anonymous

      TT__TT 

    • ♥ idk

      the full 3 hours of the 2008 mkmf is on youtube somewhere lol.
      so amazing. 

      • Anonymous

        mkmf in 2007 too 

  • springheart

    Yes it was that great. After 2008 to 2009 there isn’t a song that struck me or a song that become a craze. We saw super junior sorry sorry already and that was cool and new but then they start doing the same thing again with every release. SNSD just look worn out on stage, in their music and everything. Two of the most popular group in the hallyu wave still couldn’t catch my attention with their music. Everything just becomes saturated and repetitive after 2008. Groups doesn’t have to come up with ridiculous concept back then to catch attention because their music and charisma was enough. All that aside, i still look forward to the new year because i can count on big bang, brown eyed girls, wonder girls,2am, Tablo etc…to bring out good music. 

  • Anonymous

    The Holy Trinity of KPop all reached their peak in 2008. 

    So yes, 2008 was one of the best years in KPop.

    Not only because of the quality of music, but the variety of concepts that came out of idols/groups. Many of them had different sounds and images, but they all converged to form this group of good-great songs that you can listen to over and over and over without getting sick after a few days. Those were the songs that got many people into KPop. 

    When I went to the Philippines to visit my relatives in Summer 2009, Nobody was in its peak, and I mean everyone was just dancing to it and knew it. It played on the radio 12x a day, with the 3 versions: Korean, English, and the ballad version all being played one after the other. When I went to California for Xmas in 2009, my friends who moved there were dancing to it at Xmas parties, singing it in karaoke, and teaching others how to do the dance. It was the song that pretty much reached every generation and IMO connected many Filipinos all over the world. If you didn’t know Nobody, you were out of the loop. Even my brother, my Dad, and my Mom have that song in their music players.

    I still have So Hot and Nobody in my iPod. I still have Lies, Haru Haru and Only Look at Me. I still have Mirotic and other DBSK songs. And whenever they come on, I still listen. There is that particular sound in all 3 songs that still keeps me hooked, and that sound that I have not found in any of the songs in KPop since then, except for some songs by the Wonder Girls in Wonder World, or some songs by JYJ in In Heaven…but that is because both groups have somehow managed to retain their original sound while achieving progress and development at the same time.

    There is also that hint of nostalgia when I listen to them and think, “Ahh, those were the days…” and those songs are probably forever ingrained in my mind.

    Nowadays, the saturation of KPop with idol groups don’t make way for that kind of uniqueness anymore. Nowadays, KPop seems to be more about gimmicks, about who can stay as fresh as possible with their marketing, and there seems to be this attempt to repeat 2008 for KPop, but it’s just not happening and some concepts have become so cheesy that they’re ineffective. There is also this impression that some companies are trying so hard to appeal to Western fans that they adopt concepts and music that don’t necessarily suit their groups.

    The music has changed, but for some idol groups, it’s not for the better. You have other idol groups like BEAST starting to come out on top, but IMO it’s just so hard to get into those groups nowadays because there are so many of them that it’s hard to keep track of who is which and instead of actually trying, I just lose interest quickly because a week from now another group with the same sound and image would be debuting.

    I always say, “I can only like 3 groups in KPop at a time,  I can’t handle any more.” Just like Jerry Seinfeld says he can only have 3 BFFs and no more. :D

    Those spots are still held by Big Bang, Wonder Girls, and JYJ. So I can appreciate some songs by other groups, but I can’t get into them the way I got into BB, WG, and DBSK, and when DBSK broke up, I followed JYJ. I’m still into KPop for those groups, and I think I’ll be into KPop as long as those groups are still releasing music.

    • Anonymous

      “Trying too hard.” OMG, that is a perfect description for what’s going on in k-pop lately.

    • daniaaaye

      you’re lucky to get to hold on to three, lol. in terms of fandom, i can only hold on to jyj. for the rest (eg: infinite, wg)…. i guess i’ll be a casual spazzy listener forever :|

      • Anonymous

        LOL, I know. I usually lose interest quickly. I’d like a song, put it on repeat the whole day, and then I get sick of it and not want to hear it again.

        I have songs from SNSD, Super Junior, Seven, Miss A, etc. but those are just songs that I liked, not necessarily becoming a fan of any of those groups/idols.

        Like you, I’m mostly a casual listener. It’s not always I get to be a fan of multiple groups for a long time. 

        Even when I was young, I liked BSB than N*SYNC, I liked Britney than Christina, etc. there’s no “Both” for me. :D

        • A lillo Otp

          Me too I like bsb more than nsync and Britney more than christina

    • Mija

      I also have this impression that some companies are trying so hard to appeal to Western fans/audiences that they adopt concepts and music that don’t necessarily suit their groups. IMO KPop nowadays is trying so hard to be taken seriously, that its appeal as the “guilty pleasure” for many fans is lost. There’s nothing “quaint” about KPop anymore… 
      ^ This 
      you took the words right out of my mouth

  • Delia

    I get it- it’s about the ‘pioneering glory’ of the Big Three back in 2008. There was friendly diversity, unlike the idol-group saturation and ‘autotuned genericness’ in 2011. The mkmf show in ’08 was very different from 2010’s, with epik high winning album of the year in ’08 (correct me if I’m wrong). I was mildly disappointed by last year’s Gayos, cos I loved the collabs in 2010, the first year i started watching the Gayos. But judging from the comments below, it kinda saddens me that Kpop’s seen as a fad and jaded fans can’t embrace newer groups. Sure, it does take effort to separate wheat from chaff, and there were several filler- read: throwaway forgettable songs last year, but we can always hope.. Right? YG’s new girl group and 2AM’s comeback to look forward to! :)

    • Anonymous

      Why does it make you sad that fans can’t embrace new groups, though? Should everyone be excited about everything in KPop?

      It shouldn’t even matter to anyone what other people like or dislike since this is KPop, there is something for everybody and this is not a cure for cancer that everyone should celebrate.

      If people don’t get into the groups debuting the last 2 years, it just means their interest in KPop has lessened. There’s really no reason to call out others for being “jaded”.

      KPop and many of its fans want to be taken so seriously nowadays that if you don’t have an “open mind”, then you’re seen as jaded and closed-minded. 

      This is KPop, for crying out loud. Like what you like and ignore the rest.

      I’m not someone who gets so deep into these kinds of things that I’ll be welcoming every aspect of it. I become a fan for some time, but I grow up and my interests change. Such is life. 3-4 years from now I’ll probably get married, develop other interests, and forget about KPop completely.

  • Anonymous

    I’m all about moving forward, too, but I have to worry about the present trajectory the k-pop industry is on. I’d like to start 2012 with a clean slate, but certain trends have shaped the industry and they will continue to do so. My look at K-pop achievements in 2010-2011?

    –DBSK and JYJ both had rather awkward/unimpressive comeback debuts, only to get stronger later in the year. JYJ is still blocked from the media, however, and HoMin still look as if they haven’t slept in weeks. And, they still haven’t spoken (publicly) to each other in almost three years.

    –The musical project that is Big Bang is doing well. Musically, they’re producing solid tracks and are taking risks others in the field don’t seem to be doing. Daesung’s accident was a major setback for the group, no doubt, but he seems to have sincerely learned and grown from it. G-Dragon’s drug charge was hilarious for me as an international fan; I have no idea about the effects on Korean fans. And let’s not forget the MTV EMA award they picked up.

    –Wonder Girls came back with “Be My Baby,” an enjoyable track done in their retro-style. I liked it, though it seems others on the site were less impressed. (To be fair, I tend to enjoy most catchy pop songs.) Their foray into the states resulted in a Jonas Brothers tour and a TV-movie on Nickelodeon. I’m not sure if that’s a success or a failure.

    –SNSD released the awkward “Boys” and then re-released “Mr. Taxi.” They also released a maxi-single for the U.S. featuring Snoop Dogg. I like SNSD. I like Snoop. I don’t like them together. It’s like chocolate milk and Pepsi. Just, no. The “Oh!” album may have been sickeningly cute, but I will give it this: It was cohesive and well-done.

    –Other girl idols tried to be sexy rather than cute and got massive slut-shame for it. Which is a shame because “Dr. Feel Good” and “Bubble Pop” were two of the best things to be produced this year.

    –Super Junior released “Sorry, Sorry” 3.0, lost another member to the army, then threw a fit on Twitter. It was pretty much just another year for SuJu. Their fans, however, had to deal with the realization that SM is pretty much already planning for SuJu’s retirement.

    –We were all introduced to Kai–I mean EXO. I don’t understand what’s so groundbreaking about this group. It feels like a hybrid of 2AM/2PM and SuJu/SuJu-M. However, I think the teasers and the promotions of the group are very telling. Even with brand spanking new faces and fresh talent, SM can’t help but fall back on the same old tricks. I was bored the second I saw the water on the ground. The future ain’t looking too good here.

    –40+ groups debuted. Honestly, I remember less than 5 (Rania, Piggy Dolls, A-Pink and Chocolat). Concepts ranged from interesting (5 IU’s) to awkward (the b-cup or larger group). I can’t think of a single solo artist who debuted and was successful. That’s either because there weren’t many or I just don’t follow the industry close enough. (It’s probably the latter.)

    –Idols are singing (or attempting to) in English. There are English versions of Korean songs, English holiday albums and concerts in English speaking countries. This is just a reflection of how popular k-pop has gotten in the last few years. I don’t mind the songs and the concerts; however, the methods some companies are using to gain more international fans are worrisome. They aren’t taking the time to learn the foreign markets/methods/language, so their productions seem ridiculous to most international fans.

    –I forgot about f(x). Like literally. Then the “Pinocchio” album was released. I listened to it, hated it and forgot about them all over again. Please, SM, write them one song that’s all their own this year. I beg of you.

    So, I guess 2011 wasn’t ALL bad, however I think the ratio of good music to bad music was no where near as high as it was in ’08. The big companies (*cough*SM*cough) are sort of poisoning the well for everybody. My hope for 2012? I want the companies to learn the saying “less is more.” There was just too much this year. Too many debuts, too many concepts and too many cheap, flashy effects. (I didn’t mean for this to be an essay. Sorry.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zhen-Jiang/100003229803466 Zhen Jiang

      about SNSD…even though their 3rd album sucks so much(and i love the boys), they released one of the best albums in KPOP history : the Japanese 1st Album “Girls Generation”. So i would say its at least a good year for SNSD.

      • Anonymous

        One of the best albums in KPOP history : the Japanese 1st Album “Girls Generation”. 
        LOL, no. I understand that taste is subjective but this statement is ludicrous. Wouldn’t you have to have listened to the majority of KPOP songs from the 1980’s to recent times to make a statement like that?

        It was a good album. It was cohesive but nothing impressive – nothing we haven’t heard before. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zhen-Jiang/100003229803466 Zhen Jiang

          Thus the notion” one of”,  not just “the best”. And i highly doubt Korea 1980 could produce albums with quality like this.

          “nothing we haven’t heard before.”
          Yes because POP music are so innovative that you are constantly exposed to new things….
          anyway like you said, taste is subjective.  No point arguing.

          • Anonymous

            Your first sentence exposes your ignorance.

            The core idea doesn’t have to be brand new. It just has to be a fresh approach.

            Gee will be the song SNSD is remembered for 20 years from now. No one will remember their fantastic Japanese album. Just like how people like to ignore Boa’s and TVXQ’s Japanese works.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mishka-Moncrieffe/544916778 Mishka Moncrieffe

            Yes there is always room for something different in POP music. Madonna, Lady Gaga, Adele, Amy Winehouse, Epik High, Big Bang and the Wonder girls have all proved that people don’t always want the same thing over and over.

      • Anonymous

        Do you think a Japanese album reflects what’s going on in K-pop? (I’m seriously asking; not being a smart-ass.) I’ve always thought that idols Japanese albums have been better than their Korean stuff (at least, when they make a serious effort. Remakes don’t count). The idols seems to be allowed a more aggressive and mature image than they are back home.

  • happyslip

    What I liked most about 2008 was the diversity back then; I think that was the last year where idol groups, soloists, bands and whatnot got to have almost equal amount of time to shine and promote. It was the time when the big three all got their share at the top, the time when they released something so different from each other. I loved it. And sometimes, I can’t even look at idol collaboration stages nowadays, because back in 2008 they were actually legit, and not some 30 second thing.

    However, I’m honestly starting to get tired of “2008 was so much better” comments; I agree with it to some extent, but it has been four years now and I honestly think that people should move on. I mean, if you keep lamenting about it until now, it’s time for you to leave kpop. That’s just how it is. I know some people can’t help but reminisce about it sometimes (I still do occasionally), but some 08 kpop fans do it a lot that they kinda ruin it for the newer fans — it makes me feel bad for those kids honestly. It’s sad that they weren’t able to experience 08 for themselves and then you have tons of older fans shoving it to their faces. Times change. I say let the newer and younger fans enjoy the current scene, just how most of us here enjoyed 08 without having to hear how we supposedly missed something special from the older fans.

  • K Ramadhani

    big bang wg dbsk hyorin rain wgm family outing. what more can u ask?? and also
    wonderbangg!! their epic mbc gayo daejun perf.
    epic mkmf perfomances! now mama is just a joke..

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately I came onto KPop in 2010 so I can’t relate to a lot of people here :'( But it looks like what’s happening to KPop is the same as what’s happening to all of music: it’s being commercialized. I can’t even listen to Hip Hop anymore because it’s not even close to what it used to be. So I at least understand that.

    Thanks to you guys I spent a couple hours going through some 2008 KPop and I see what you mean (even cried during the Haru Haru video–don’t judge lol)

    • Anonymous

      its not just 2008 
      try 2007 and 2009 also :) 

  • http://www.twitter.com/veiledheart VeiledHeart

    2008 WAS awesome, but some groups out there are making good music now.  You just have to wander beyond the kings and queens (whoever that is to you) every now and then to get it. Those groups aren’t the end all be all. I get being a fan and wanting them to keep trying to recreate the glory of their hits, but sometimes you have to face facts and move on. Britney will never again make another I’m a Slave 4 U just like SNSD will never make another Gee. It doesn’t mean that I’m no longer a Britney fan or any less of a Britney fan, but I have room for other artists on my iPod too. Growing up I was all about BSB and Five, I bemoaned that it would never be as good as it was then. Then I found Girls Aloud, Sugababes, etc. When they took a break (or put out subpar material) I’m sure I complained then too. That’s how it goes; you just have to be willing to go out and find new artists to get into. 

  • Anonymous

    YES, 2008 was great! Don’t ever question that, again. It’ll forever be remembered as one of K-Pop’s stepping stones forward; the year that another foundation was laid to produce and further lead to the increase of K-Pop’s popularity.

    2008 was not simple; No, 2008 was EPIC.

    DB5K, Big Bang, and Wonder Girls have forever made their mark in
    history. They helped strengthen SM’s, YG’s, and JYP’s–the Big
    Three’s–influences and to become even more evident as K-Pop powerhouses.
    JYP thought that they successfully won with the Wonder Girls in the K-Pop scene and therefore had the potential to break into the America with the Wonder Girls too. They might have hoped to conquer in a new place next, in the American music industry.
    YG became the cool, hip indie company. Their identity and existence was solidified in being the management where artists could freely express themselves without losing their integrity and still be heard, and be possibly famous in the process.
    SM thought that this was it for them, the peak of perfection; that they
    finally got the secret of how to dominate K-pop down. What to do, what
    to make, what steps to follow repeatedly over and over to always
    succeed. It is why SM seemed to make music videos in the same formula the last few years since then.
    It is all why all a sudden, after 2009, the K-pop music industry seems
    overly-saturated with boy  bands and girl groups. DB5K, Big Bang, and Wonder Girls basically set the examples for future groups looking to debut.

    The only way the year 2008 can seem like a
    simpler time is because it was before disillusionment set in. Because more attention was brought in, although good for getting new consumers to buy K-pop  products, it also created skepticism.
    Within the craze, some people were seeing how not everything was perfect;
    because some people believed nothing can be great for all the
    appropriate, right reasons. 2008 was before fans began to wonder how
    management companies were really promoting and treating their talents. Fandoms of groups were noticing how hard their artists on the music scene at the end of that year were working–day-long hours and little sleep.

  • http://twitter.com/phannan Ana Hannah

    So Hot was also big; I think that was #1 and Nobody was #4 on year-end charts.

  • Ann

    i’m not the biggest fan of the music that was produced in 2008 but as many people are saying, it’s the diversity that made it so compelling. watch mkmf 2008 and mama 2011 and the difference is stark. mama 2011 is 99% idol groups, who all mostly look the same, sound the same, do the same thing. mkmf had interesting collabs and more variety.

    it was also the year so many kpop biggies had stand-out years. dbsk’s mirotic, wondergirl’s nobody, bb’s haru haru may not be the best music these groups have ever produced, but they were all songs that ignited a kind of mania, a level of popularity and a peak that these groups may never hit again. these groups may never match the sales they had with these songs.

    of course, there is some nostalgia involved in looking back. so much has changed for the top groups from that year and not all of it has been good. so, fans will naturally cling to a year when everything seemed perfect. 

    personally, i prefer bb’s music now and i had no love for the wondergirls until their album this year. but i’m also bored with idol groups at the moment and am sick of carbon copies debuting every month. and i think it’s sad that i’d much rather watch an old awards show than a new one.

  • Sali

    2008 was so far the best. What’s good about that time was the diversity in music. Nowadays, kpop is too idol-oriented. And also the fact that the quality of music have been shit. I remember, U-Go Girl, Rainism, So Hot, Haru Haru, Baby one more time. Also acts like Nell and MC Mong. were also popular now. To sum it up, kpop today, even if you don’t have talent as long as you have the looks, you will be on top. 

    Also, remember WGM season 1? compare that with today’s WGM. All I can say is WTF. 

  • VeryCuticle

    i was introduced to kpop in 2007 ~ 2008 i thnk… and let me tell you it was the best year for me then it all went downhill since then even the shows were better then idk what happened. i was all about kpop for like a year 1/2 then i just got bored there was no diversity everyone started to copy the next big thing and they all started to sound and do the same thing disappointing tbh of course i still stick around b/c i still have hope but it seems to be getting worst sady i dont see how people can get into it now if they do it may be short lived…

  • Anonymous

    I actually discovered Kpop through most of the music from 2008. So I would say it was a pretty awesome year (although I wasn’t an active Kpop listener). No other kpop songs are replayed as much on my lists than the ones from 2008, especially since I’m not even into pop as a genre in comparison to other genres.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hipployta Hipployta

    About the MKMF…yes 2008 was awesome but the YG Family Concert that was MAMA of 2010 was epic lol

  • Anonymous

    For, 2007, 2008, 2009 were awesome! 

  • Anonymous

    I got into Kpop in 2009 but I totally understand what everyone is saying about 2008. I’m wondering what happened to Lee Hyori. I loved U-Go-Girl! Big Bang’s old stuff is as good as their new songs.

    But as a new fan, I think I discovered Kpop right as it was peaking and then started to level off.

  • Sskk

    I definitely think 2008 was an amazing year for Kpop.

    Big Bang had Haru Haru and Sunset Glow, the Wonder Girls had So Hot and Nobody, Hyori had U-Go-Girl and, as a Cassie, the highlight of 2008 was that DBSK had Mirotic. I am not one of those fans that bang on about how Kpop isn’t ‘how it used to be’ all. the. time. or try to make Kpop ‘exclusive’ because in my opinion more fans = more fun but frankly, Kpop is definitely what it used to be.

    Just look at the end of year shows. I remember freaking out like a little bitch when DBSK performed Mirotic at the SBS Gayo Daejun and they exposed their backs and that EPIC Hyori – Big Bang special stage in which we had the hottest K-pop singers were dancing and singing to each others songs. Seungri sang an amazing U-Go-Girl jazz remix and TOP kissed Lee fricking Hyori. I remember the MKMF and SBS Gayo Daejun’s being so amazing but gradually they’ve gotten worse and worse.

    If you don’t read any of my comment. Read this.This is what sums up my whole arguement.
    Compare the 2008 SBS Gayo Daejun’s Hip Hop Stage

    with the 2011 one.

    CAN YOU SEE THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE? Tell me you see the difference. And I’m pretty sure most of you will all agree the 2008 was fuckloads better than the 2011 one.

    Yes, Yoon Mirae is boss but she’s only there at the end.The 2011 performance is so bland, so boring until T comes and hypes everyone up. In the 2008 one I remember watching it in front of my computer screen and dancing because it was so epic. There was so much energy and it was such a fun performance. I had no idea who Dynamic Duo were back then, and to be honest I didn’t even like Big Bang but I could not deny how amazing the performance was. And that’s the problem with Kpop nowadays, and with the 2011 hip hop stage, there’s no energy, it’s no fun. I was so disappointed with the idol boys. I’m actually a fan of Junhyung, Mir and having been a major HOTTEST for about a year, also one of Taec’s but the 2011 stage didn’t get me dancing, it didn’t get me excited. They did nothing as performers to make it memorable. I’m giving new groups chances but apart from Infinite, they’re just not exciting. I WATCH their stages, but they have nothing as performers to give to their stages. Where is that energy that used to run wild in Kpop? It’s just not there anymore.

    • Sskk

      woops, last bit of 2nd paragraph. Kpop is definitely NOT what it used to be.

    • Anonymous

      They should have only had Tasha (and gotten Tiger too) for that 2011 stage because she was on point. Everyone else was bland AF. 

  • Pr3vail

    Here’s the perspective of someone who was not a fan of Kpop until a year ago.

    To be honest what drew me into Kpop and made me really get into Kpop (you know, watch the variety shows, music shows, and become completely observed with a group) was, and this is my dirty little secret, SuJu. However, give me a little credit here because the reason I invested so much interest into SuJu was because of the whole Hangeng situation, and so I learned a lot about Kpop through them. But would I still be interested in kpop to this day because of SuJu and all the other boy/girl groups similar to them that debuted in the last couple years…NO, I would have become bored and then ran away from the scene.

    I was impressed by Kpop, I have never seen anything like it, and quiet honestly it was a love/hate relationship. Unfortunately, I noticed a growing trend with kpop, there was nothing authentic about the kpop that I was witnessing, there was no real talent, just gimmicks and good looking idols with really feminine boys and bubble gum cute girls. And I questioned my sanity as well as my taste in music, because it was awful and I probably lost a few brain cells.

    So imagine my surprise when I randomly came across a video of Big Bang. All I can say is that I fell in love on sight, completely and utterly adored everything about them, they were hardcore, they were going for and selling individuality, I knew their faces in one MV. And then to my greater surprise I stumbled into the world that is DBSK (before disbandment). DB5K is the ultimate boy band, when I think of them I think of BSB and N’Sync. I still get emotional watching DB5k perform at their Japan Tokyo Dome
    concert, I think it is some of the most beautiful performances I ever seen. I was amazed at the talent of these two groups, I loved all their albums, I watched their live performances, especially from 2008, again and again, I basically consumed everything but never got sick of it, I have most of their songs in my Itunes library, and it’s the type of music that I would put in my ipod, not the ones that you have to watch the MV to enjoy it in anyway. Through these two groups I learned to appreciate quality music from Kpop, and not everything was limited to idols, that there other artists within Korea as well. You just have to go back a couple of years before this boy/girl group invasion where the idea less is more is not in their vocabulary. The magical year is 2008 without a doubt, those live performances from every act is EPIC for lack of a better word. There is no leaving the past behind, 2009 and back was the greatest time for kpop.

    I’m still probably going to be in the kpop scene, I do enjoy the music and they make the variety shows interesting that’s for sure. But I have become the biggest hater now. I doubt that there will be anything or anyone that could be compared to Big Bang, DB5K and Wonder Girls and what they have achieved in their careers. And I’m still hoping a legit soloist comes into the scene, I miss Rain. And I give kudos to IU for what she’s accomplished in an industry where groups dominate.

    I sincerely hope there is more to Kpop, but, from the looks of the groups that will debut this year, I am ever the cynic. One only has to look at the disaster that was this years gayo daejun shows to see the direction kpop is heading, there is just no effort, no originality. And knowing exactly how little effort the agencies are putting into producing quality music for their current groups, new groups will not be any different, they are just fresh faces to replace the old.

    To end of my loooong rant, I will thank Kpop everyday for the genius that is JYJ and before them BIG BANG and DB5K.

    • Anonymous

      wow, I couldn’t agree more with your rants. Totally I got similar experience myself, well not that similar, but I came to K-pop through SS501. I had no big expectation whatsoever first. No offence, but my impression of this group was no more than good looks, humble personality, but not so amazing music, concept and vocal. So, it brought to me a conclusion that all k-pop boy bands was like this. I stumbled upon a video of Big Bang concert and couldn’t believe my eyes and ears. LOL. and then, I fell in love with DBSK. Almost all of these groups I see was from their performances in 2008. I can’t believe it was already 4 years ago. And I can’t even bring myself to listen and see the recent groups. I fell in love with an era, I guess. But, on the bright side, JYJ is still there, I just hope they still make music and continue to do so, and sing of course. Not that I oppose to them of being actors, but it’s such a waste if they let go of what they have as artist.

  • sophia

    I liked 2008, especially WonderBang. Their collaboration was purely friendship– no fanwars or dating rumors. Not like the collaborations today that all end with fangirls holding up pitchforks.

    • blahblah

      Oh the good old WonderBang days. It was a lot of fun watching the two groups perform together!

  • minni_babyy

    Although there could be a bias with me being a Cassiopean, but 2008 was seriously memorable. (Please don`t hate me for the following) In 2008, I was a little over 2 years into my KPOP loving, and there was quite a momentum going into 2008. I watched all the music shows weekly, and I enjoyed KPOP. Then 2009 came and I was blown off my feet with the amount of groups debuting one after another, to tell you the truth, maybe it`s me ageing, but it`s so dang hard to keep up with all the new groups. 2009 was the year Gee came along, and don`t get me wrong, but I am a diehard SONE, and Gee was catchy and all. But everything else that came from everyone else tried to become Gee IMO. And back in 2008, as mentioned before, there weren’t as many girl groups/boy groups, so (I’m sorry for saying this) their next concepts are more ‘WHOA!’. But now… probably because of the large amount of groups, images/concepts look really ‘recycled’. None of the new groups I think after 2009 really caught my attention. And now that they are (the groups) are so common, are they really ‘idols’? I felt that everybody and anybody that debuted before 2009 are really idols. And the year end shows… it’s hard to even start about them. Year end shows used to be so unique and just jaw-dropping. But this year especially, I anticipated them, just to be disappointed in the end. They were just hot messes. 

    And now that the companies know that they have an audience overseas, I feel like they are just developing way too fast. Everybody is trying to ride the hallyu wave to Europe and North America, but I feel an implosion of KPOP coming up. They will all try to satisfy the tastes of those outside of Korea, that they will be ignoring the fans in Korea. I just don’t feel so good about how fast the hallyu wave is going.

  • xian

    2009 since i fell in love with kpop due to 2ne1 and got to know u-kiss… been loyal to these two groups then i got to know a lot more kpop acts like the Great Bigbang,

    BEG because of Sexy Ga-in through abracadabra.

    Miss A – i really love their style.

    Beast i got into them because of the viral Fiction. then i found out their Breath and Shock song..

    2pm( its hard for me to love this group because of u-kiss but i learn to love their music although im not a fan of their rapper) – i’ll be back, i’m your man and ultra love were the only music i love about them with a little OF hANDS UP.

    Mblaq( been a fan of theirs through Monalisa)
    Sistar through sistar19 with maboy( i love hyorin) she’s so cute.
    4 minute love their song but not that much except with my love to HYUNA,

    very recent discoveries of mine were( i don’t know why are they not that popular in kpop. i mean their very much talented because they are soloist, and i guess there’s nothing wrong with them…)
    Seo In Guk , Gummy, and lastly Fat Cat

    above all i am still a fan of u-kiss no matter what… but not belong in any fan clubs out there… to 2ne1… Yes 2ne1… especially CL who’s so talented… i just like her swag!!!

  • jess1

    Yes, 2008 was awesome.

    And one of my main reasons is because Rain introduced Rainism which will forever be in Kpop history, you have to admit. Oh, I do hope all of you have seen Rain’s MKMF Award Show performance? That was epic. 

    And then there’s “Nobody” by Wonder Girls. No one can deny the success of this song. 

  • http://weeatlemon.blogspot.com conanblue

    2008 was great because it was when K-pop started to prove their awesomeness yet there wasn’t too many fans, especially international ones, to witness it. Like you’ve mentioned above, a lot of legendary new generation K-pop songs were released in 2008. In a sense they became legendary because they are really solid works yet not a lot of people knew about it.

    I would say a momentous year for K-pop is 2009. This is the year when K-pop really bloomed internationally but still had quality (unlike 2010 onwards when quantity is often put above quality). A lot of really great songs were released this year too. Groups like 2PM, SHINee, SNSD really became famous this year. There’s a rapid influx in international fans. A lot of good things happened this year that became pivotal point in K-pop history.

    Overall I think K-pop’s best moments is between 2008-2009. K-pop still released really great works and they still had that rookie attitude which makes them try a lot harder. The pursuit of making great music is still high. Will K-pop experience another 08/09? Who knows. I hope they do. I missed being even a little bit excited when a new song comes out and when I knew every single artist that took the stage. The good old days.

  • Anonymous

    Well first things first the fact that many of the commenters here didn’t get into kpop till 2008 makes me feel really old considering I got into kpop in 1999/2000 (I got exposed through the international channel and my brother’s learning of japanese that led to finding out about jpop and kpop) even though I am only in my 20s. I still remember BoA’s DEBUT, yeah that old.  

    That said I don’t think that 2008 was a golden year per se but rather an end or the beginning of the end of an particular era of kpop.  Just like how the early 2001/2002 was the beginning of the end of what many consider the “golden age” era of kpop with the disbandments of HOT and SES and the departure of Shinhwa from SME followed by Kye Sang’s departure from GOD and the eventual disbandment of Baby VOX a couple years later.   Even though in 2009 we have seen the emergence of SNSD as a major player in kpop and 2ne1 shoot to fame I think why 2008 stands out is because from 2009 till now , with the shift of kpop’s focus to hook songs/conceptual images and trying to dominate the world market, in a way kpop has remained in a transitional period similar to what happened in  2004-2005 after the major kpop players left the scene and there was this period of time there wasn’t really any major groups and the whole idol group thing kinda a took a back burner and rain and hyori took over kpop, similar to how we are seeing IU sweep the charts now.

    • Anonymous

      you took the words right out of my mouth.

    • ME

      Dear hapacalgirl,
      very well said and a positive different perspective to see what has, is and will happen in Kpop or other Pop industries.

      Although I say ‘positive’ and I always try to keep my mind (and ears) open, I can’t lie to myself that I do really miss the old days and kind of wish that what comes still can make me enjoy KPop. 

      Why? I seek Kpop, since I became really bored with US-Pop. And when the monkeys come again (been there, saw that, heard them – pardon my language, madame), I know it’s time to leave and find another …. pop.

      New ideas, SBers? ;P
      (in the meantime, let’s wait for the comebacks of all the Kpop goodies and ready with our remote control)

    • Anonymous

      I was exposed to Kpop, Jpop, and Cpop thru the international channel too around 2003 thru a music show called Revolution, JinuSean’s Phone Number was the first song I’d heard, lol. That was a good time, Wish that channel was still around. =/

  • pandahaya

    What made me miss 2008 the most was its diversity in music back in those days.  It’s not like the Kpop are ours, but before 2009 there weren’t so many ridiculously similar and obviously “acting” singer.  I’m not saying idols nowadays aren’t talented, some of them are extremely talented and even better, but what makes the difference is that during those days, the collaborations, the creative concept of special stages, not filled with some random acts put together and to make their fans scream.  One thing that made me miss the Gayo Daejuns in 2008 the most, the design of the stages were the best.  I just wish that not only idols, but more real singers are standing on those stages performing, and the end-of-the-year shows will be more creative, not just another weekly music program…

  • http://twitter.com/#!/perfumeah perfumeah

    I would take on the hopeful perspective in the article but reading the comments, it’s clear us new fans have missed out. There’s no denying 2008 was awesome, maybe the best year in K-pop. And while mourning the loss of what was once good may not be the best thing to do, unless 2012 delivers, I’m staying in the past.

  • Anonymous

    I think YG said it best when he lectured 2NE1 (not a direct quote, but the gist):

    “Don’t obsess over how synchronized you are. That’s not fun to watch. No one wants to see you up on stage looking like :|, >:(, and :( when you should just be enjoying singing, dancing, and interacting with fans.”

    That’s what’s being/been lost in this new generation (and some veterans as well) and why older Kpop fans always refer to 2008 as the year. Most of the idols today don’t even look like they enjoy what they’re doing anymore. They look (and in some cases, sound) as if being on stage is a chore and they’re simply fulfilling their contractual obligations. When’s the last time we saw a genuine smile, laugh, tear drop from an eye, or a gesture that wasn’t scripted? In 2008 and prior, artists interacted with the crowd more, they played around on stage and actually interacted with each other. They didn’t just go on stage, sing, do the choreography and leave. They actually put in effort to entertain the audience. That’s why even if one isn’t a fan, artists like BEG, BB, 2NE1, Rain, Yoon Mirae, etc. tend to attract internationals even today. They command their stages and look like they’re enjoying themselves (or at least they act well enough to pretend they do), thus making the audience enjoy themselves. It is boring and bland to watch singers half-ass their way through a stage by dancing robotically and not actually try to have fun. Some artists out there aren’t the best vocalists/rappers, but as long as they have fun and actually put some effort into giving 110%, little flaws are ignorable (unless you really make an effort to be anal and search for every mistake made). What matters more? Pitch perfect, robotically synchronized performances, or artists looking to make their audience jump out of their seat by interaction, having fun, and feeding off each other’s energy? 2008 attracted us because Kpop looked like a constant full blown party. Some artists (the aforementioned above) still keep that party going, but for 2012, I want to look forward to seeing more artists deliver good, listenable music while enjoying themselves, and not looking like they’re attending their own funeral or walking down death row.

    • Cb

       Definitely agree with you, first time I watch korean idol’s live performance I kinda think, do they just stand there, dancing and winking and singing just to proof that they are so talented and show off their beauty? Seriuosly even the worst singer I’ve seen before can interract with fans better than that! But I see DBSK, Bigbang, lee hyori, IU, 2NE1 and they’re amazing, they know a singer should can sing and more important really2 make their song have a soul, not just about perfect, long voice, good dance, bla bla bla..
      They are relevant internationally..

  • http://twitter.com/MonicaDBSK Monica

    Yes. 2008 was so great. It was the year where Dbsk was making their long awaited comeback after a 1 year and 7 month hiatus from korea. That one gayo performance(or was it mkmf?) where they did a medley of their hits from hug to mirotic brought tears to my eyes. It was also the year of so many wonderbang moments, their last performance of the year together doing a medley of hits from both groups was so amazing. 2am and 2pm made their debuts and I thought 2pm were gems. Big bangs releases from 2008 are still my favourite songs to listen to to this day. Hyori’s u-go-girl was great, also rain. Snsd hadn’t reached their peak then but they got my attention and I liked them. There was no saturation of idol groups then, I knew almost everything about everyone. Then came 2009 which wasn’t too bad, started the girl group boom and spawned the likes of 2ne1, t-ara, 4minute and some other noteworthy groups, that’s great, I like them, but then jay left 2pm and the dbsk lawsuit happened. Then came 2010 and idol groups were popping everywhere and my attention started to wane. And now I don’t know much about what’s going on anymore. I’m more focused on the korean film&drama scene now. So yes, 2008 was amazing, I will always remember it as the most amazing kpop year I’ve ever witnessed.

  • yesbabyohyea

    i think the transition of MKMF to MAMA was already a sign of K-pop won’t be as good as before. 2008 have set up a classic for years to come. any song, mv, style, will be compare to this era. shirt ripping is sooo TVXQ for doing it in Gayo Daejun. and WG’s classic motown style. and Bigbang’s old songs. even Rain started the sexy hip thrusting dance which have been a dance icon in this year.

    for me, personally, 2008 is a classic for all of the TVXQ memories. I noticed them with the Doushite ballad they released just before coming back to Korea and rape me with Mirotic. and their comeback stages are just awesome. on and on to the end of the year. and that epic performance on MKMF 2008. damndamndamn.

    i noticed that the TVXQ pic above was from 2009. but it’s from mirotic concert so i think that’s okay d:

  • yesbabyohyea

    i think the transition of MKMF to MAMA was already a sign of K-pop won’t be as good as before. 2008 have set up a classic for years to come. any song, mv, style, will be compare to this era. shirt ripping is sooo TVXQ for doing it in Gayo Daejun. and WG’s classic motown style. and Bigbang’s old songs. even Rain started the sexy hip thrusting dance which have been a dance icon in this year.

    for me, personally, 2008 is a classic for all of the TVXQ memories. I noticed them with the Doushite ballad they released just before coming back to Korea and rape me with Mirotic. and their comeback stages are just awesome. on and on to the end of the year. and that epic performance on MKMF 2008. damndamndamn.

    i noticed that the TVXQ pic above was from 2009. but it’s from mirotic concert so i think that’s okay d:

  • Anonymous

    2008 was the year I was fully inducted into the world of KPop. I tutored many Korean students in English on my campus and they traded songs with me. I’d introduce them to many American Artists and they in turn showed me their Korean ones. That was around 2007, but it was either August or September of 2008, when I was writing a paper for my class and on the side of my computer screen there was an YouTube clip/ad of DBSK. I rolled my eyes at the time because while I listened to a some of their music I had (believe it or not) never knew what they looked like. I would just see in the forums and on various websites tons of cassies talking these guys up. Naturally I thought they were (gasp!) overrated and I say that because people treated them like Gods, even called them Gods. But lol, anyways, out of curiosity I clicked the video on my screen fully expecting some baby bop boy band…it was only 14 seconds long…it was Mirotic and it blew my f—ing mind. Suddenly I knew what the talk was about, I was mad I took so long to see these guys, and I was excited. I had never heard of teaser vids at the time but that was one of the only times they had worked for me. I later found out that DBSK was also called TVXQ too and those songs that I liked so much that those Korean guys gave me was them and I had unknowingly  been following their music. I guess the reason why I feel the need to say all this is because their performance of ‘wrong number’ and ‘mirotic’ at the MKMF of 2008, was undoubtedly the best group performance I (to this day) have seen in KPop. I still get amped thinking about it, it was a real rush. But even though the group has since split up and I listen predominantly to JYJ, I’d like to once again get that rush when I listen to a music group again, even if it’s not DBSK.

  • Anonymous

    It was a nice time. Though I disagree on how there are just a few names to remember at that time. It was at that time when the girl group rush haves already been taking over. I remember there were also a lot of artists that debuted at that time. At one point during 06, there were a lot of soloists and then boy groups took over. Then eventually, the girl groups. It just was honestly a more balanced time. When you don’t feel like you’re being brainwashed with every release and there was a little more variety in music.

    • Anonymous

      Definitely agree to this. The balance of kpop was at its best in 2008 for me. Not only were there soloists, groups and idols but also different genres having the spotlight.

  • Opoppanaxx

    Why is shinee even on here??? Pffft.

    • Boo

      Because SHINee debuted in 2008 with Replay. It was ~glorious. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORSXPERTNAEPCKZBGEZMP7A3NU Bianca

        “The ‘idol phenomenon’ of 2008, with groups Big Bang, Wonder Girls, DBSK and SHINee emerging and dominating the Kpop scene”

        It was just a question of why they were mentioned in the same breath as BB, WG, DBSK or even SJ or SNSD.

        I really don’t think they’ve ever dominated yet.

  • fenina de leon

    yes, it was kpop’s golden year. i didn’t become a kpop fan until 2009, but i learned to love it precisely because of the material that came out during 2008. got OBSESSED with big bang. i still am.

    some say we have to move on, and yes i agree. but that doesn’t change the fact that 2008 will always be considered the GOLDEN YEAR up to date. i don’t think i’ll associate (or even remember) “the boys” or “mr. simpe” (or any other relatively recent kpop songs) to good memory the way i always have for “haru haru”, “lies”, “last farewell”, and even “mirotic” and “tell me.”

    • Marj

      I totally went through the same thing! I got into kpop at 2009 but what really sucked me in were the 2008 stuff. The day I found Big Bang’s ‘Haru Haru’ and Taeyang’s solo.. Damn, good times.

      I’m not saying I don’t love kpop – I’m still obsessed – but I’ve always wondered about how good it must’ve been to have known about it back then..
      The thing that just really bugs me now is the constant debuting of new groups -.- I know that as a company CEO it would be so appealing to get on the Hallyu/Kpop bandwagon, but geez last year was a pain. And there’s still more coming! It just feels like total oversaturation.

      What about the good ones though? The thing is, some of them are actually truly talented and entertaining, and if they had been there back in 2008/09, who knows, they could’ve blossomed more than they do now and I would be a true fan. In fact, if you let some of these groups grow for a several years, they could be the new Suju or SNSD. But because of them all coming out at once at a kpop scene already filled with fan favourites, I don’t think you can really get the same sort of recognition, attention or fandom. See, even if they do catch my attention, I can never pay them too much of it because some bigger band will make their comeback or something. It’s actually pretty sad in that respect.

      As kpop continues to grow and grow, who knows what’ll happen.. Though it should all be alright as long as Big Bang never breaks up :) hehee.

  • Anonymous

    NO!!! 2008 isn’t great! its EPIC.

    TVXQ’s long awaited comeback in korea for a year and 7 mos. was really well anticipated. Mirotic was one remarkable song in kpop. Can anyone tell me who didn’t even tried to sing “I got chuuu…under my skin”??? and changmin’s …**screaammS!.Love in the ice can gives you goosebumps.

    MKMF was one solid proof. Who could ever thought that TVXQ, BIGBANG, and WG could be together in one show?Watching each others performance, clapping, shaking hands, even talked to each other??  as well as shinee and 2pm sitting together? 

    Junsu and taeyang’s piano battle? it wasn’t even a battle, its one of a kind and rare collaboration that only happens during 2008. Wonderbang anyone? TVXQ and BIGBANG who tease us with some photoshoots together?http://hanleidbsk.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/sbs-gayo-daejun-2008-lei004.jpg

    (just take GDA’s status now… that’s when people starts to appreciate and miss more 2008. they kicked out JYJ, TVXQ and BB..ridiculous)

    Those particular scenes that i mentioned. People, do saved and download those videos, do back up files and re upload over and over again, coz im telling you this. it might be the first and last beautiful moments in kpop.

    Im not an emoshinki one. im not whining everyday to go back to 2008 coz today and so far are all shits! But, in terms of variations in music, quality and idol-idol collaborations and friendships… hands down to 2008.

  • Meh

    2008’s MKMF and the Gayos were proof that it was one of the most, if not the most amazing Kpop year. Every show was exciting and fun to watch. Now..? Blah. 

  • thekors

    2008 was great by mere fact that SHINee debuted that year. 
    2PM/2AM were sort of introduced in 
    2007 so 
    2008 wasn’t so much a ‘revealing’ year for them.  But SHINee dropped their stuff out of nowhere and it was GOOD. Thought they would bring about a new wave of (better) K-Pop but everything sorta went downhill when they started churning out boy/girlbands one after another.

  • Beets

    YES A MILLION TIMES! 

    I miss Kpop back in the days. 
    When there was Wonderbang, when DBSK and Big Bang were like the top two epic boy bands. 
    I think back then, the fans were also more loyal. Like really loyal. If you’re a VIP, you stuck with VIP. A Cassie stick with Cassie. Nowadays, everyone is a fan of every idol out there so there isn’t… i don’t know… sort of like a hmm… how should i put it? Competitiveness? 
    Not saying that it’s bad but i think it was just somewhat different back then. 

    The atmosphere back then was different too. The groups interacted with the audiences and there were epic collaborations with each other. 
    In that year, SHINee with their Replay, it was better. 2PM with 10 points out of 10. 
    Songs back then were better. 
    At least it wasn’t recycled music like these days. 

    Not forgetting the variety shows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sheeeeez, i still think shows like Xman with dangyunhaji, Manwon happiness, Family Outing and so on.. were definitely more fun. It was hilarious, interacting and we got to know more about the idols. 

    Aiiiish, i don’t think i need to say any more. I’m getting sadder thinking about all that. 

    • Anonymous


      I think back then, the fans were also more loyal. Like really loyal. If you’re a VIP, you stuck with VIP. A Cassie stick with Cassie. Nowadays, everyone is a fan of every idol out there so there isn’t… ”

      True. Those years kpop fans are very dedicated and until now they are still their fans,VIPs and Cassiopeia’s are the most loyal one, until now, they arent decreasing only adding new fans…  Esp Cassies, When they split some believe that fans split as well and take sides but i dont think that might, not even more when those 5 comeback after hiatus.

      But today? oh perfect example..EXO fanclub.. what the hell.. im not humiliating EXOs.. but aren’t fans too fast on building a fandom where their idols aren’t debuting yet? COz if i remember myself, It takes me too long to consider myself a part of a fandom and thats the time that im 100% sure to be loyal to them…

      Thats the difference. Nowadays, its so easy for kpop fans to shift to another bias and another group.

      • cutiepie88

        I know right when did EXO started getting those fans from O_o LOL! I mean don’t get wrong I want to see their debut and see what they have offer. But really the way some people act as if they already debut when all we seen are some pictures and a couple of teasers….?

        2008 was a really great year for Kpop there so much variety of different sounds to listen too. I mean how many group have made a debut in 2011 isn’t count more than 30 right? (correct me if I’m wrong) I mean that’s crazy even for Kpop! 

        I know this comparsion keeps coming up but really this is the best example I can think of look at the MKMF 08 so many different faces, great performances, awesome collaborations between artists, granted BB, DBSK, WG stole parts of the show XD it was still amazing the MAMA 11 had it moments but it didn’t give me that same energy.

        Thats not to say post 08 there hasn’t been anything good to come out of Kpop which is lie because I am glad Beast got a chance to shine in spotlight and really hope they continue. I mean come on IU is really growing into her own and there is alot more I could so I haven’t lost hope. Just please tone down groups making debut left and right please Kpop! XD

    • Guest

      yeah! during that time, i was amazed at cassies loyalty and devotedness in waiting dbsk for 1 year and 7 months for their comeback. i dont think any other group dissapearing in kscene for that long will still be remembered by fans. somehow they’ll be forgotten and replaced by other groups. but not dbsk. thanks to all cassies who stayed loyal to them until now, through thick and thin. im a cassie too (obviously lol) but things changed and i somehow chose side (jyj)

  • Anonymous

    no autotune and less backtrack live performances.. isn’t enough to consider 2008 as golden years???

    ow.. another one… 2008’s MKMF, GDA, and Gayos.. solid proof.

  • smilesandtoast

    2008 was amazing, it truly was. I watched an endless amount of videos related to that year and not only was the K-Pop scene great, but so were the promotions and television appearances that they all made. Whenever I think of SHINee’s debut days, I always think of summers in the city because that is when they outshined everyone and I watched so many of their shows! 

  • Anonymous

    yup, 2008 is one great year for Kpop (you forgot to mention Epik High in 2008 Hall of Fame), though it is a horrendous year for Kdrama. however, 2009 isn’t that bad too. the fact that it brought up the status of SNSD, KARA, IU, 2PM, 2AM, and BEG. plus, it also brought up fine debuts like 2NE1, T-Ara, Secret, 4minute, f(x), After School, B2ST, MBLAQ, etc. yeah Wonder Girls, Big Bang, DB5K are great, but i’m glad they went around somewhere and gave a chance to another idols to prove themselves. hardly any 2008 debuts make their way in that year, right? that’s said, 2008 is one epic year, and 2009 is one epic follow-up.

  • MsTurn21

    The MV might be better now – well, they get better technology…. The costume also kinda better… the dance too…

    However…

    The sound is completely different. Back then, it was somehow more original… They sounded more rich… each group had their own distinguished sound – now they all sounds the same…

    And if the product you’re selling is song, I have to say you HAVE to be able to sing while performing. NO EXCUSES.

    Big Bang, DBSK, WG, Rain, etc…. some of them may not be the best artist… but they are all amazing performer…. and I’m talking about stage charisma here…

    PS: For those who r new to kpop… If you think those recent groups sound good… Try watching DB5K concert video or MR removed video… You’ll see what I’m talking about… They never disappoint… You don’t need to defend themselves for not being able to sing…

  • Anonymous

    Definitely miss the Golden Days. And no, I don’t think it’s simply a case of selective memory – distance makes the heart grow fonder sort of thing. Kpop definitely WAS better before. It was a time when idols and fans were all a little more innocent, naive and uncomplicated. The sound was richer, more progressive and catchier. The idols still counted improvement and artistry as things to strive towards. The Big 3 management still had some semblance of sanity… the list goes on.

  • Carcaroth

    I get the feeling most of the 2008 remembrance is shared mostly by female fans? I am not saying it wasn’t a good year, but since 2009 changes happened that make you fell 2008 as a best year from that point of view.
    Starting from Wonder Girls’ “Nobody” in 2008 and continuing with SNSD’s “Gee” in 2009, hook songs appeared everywhere. But more important was the shift from boy groups and soloists to girls group. SNSD huge success, followed by Kara’s and BEG renaissance, different appeal with 2NE1 and 4Minute, starting of a huge girl group output, all this shifted attention from boys groups together with DBSK disbandment.
    Not only that but K-Pop stopped to be niche and got more widespread attention (so some fan-exclusivity was lost), YT contributing with this and so much more information available about K-Pop since then.
    About more “innocent” times before 2009, there was the time of “Black Ocean”, fanatic fans trying to kill one of DBSK, I even think the extremism is the same but now is internet-oriented.
    As for the best year only those following K-Pop for a long time can tell, I only have some knowledge since 2008 onwards and from this period I think the transition period was the best, not any particular year.

  • guest

    i’m a proud WONDERFUL..my WONDER GIRLS is part of the big 3 groups in 2008 which is the greatest year in history of k-pop…the only girl group!!

  • http://twitter.com/TalitaVianna Talita Vianna

    sorry, i will sound biased right now (cause i will), but what about SUPER JUNIOR, with Sorry Sorry in 2008 ? sorry sorry is one of the most famous song of kpop, and everyone that knows kpop know Sorry Sorry…

    even Gee (i hate SNSD, but it was a big hit..)

    • Pg13247

      Both Sorry Sorry and Gee were from 2009 not 2008 and they did become the biggest songs of that year.

    • Pg13247

      Both Sorry Sorry and Gee were from 2009 not 2008 and they did become the biggest songs of that year.

  • Aliaschantra

    I got into kpop on April2008, so yes I’m biased. Add to that my obsession with DBSK then you could say 2008 was it for me. The year of discovery would always leave a mark on any person I guess. 

  • Aliaschantra

    I got into kpop on April2008, so yes I’m biased. Add to that my obsession with DBSK then you could say 2008 was it for me. The year of discovery would always leave a mark on any person I guess. 

  • Rachel

    I’ve been listening to Kpop since 2006 and though 2006 and 2007 were also good years, I’d agree that 2008 was a good year for Kpop. Kpop still had a lot more…originality? to it. The last few years have been group after group debuting and it is getting tiring. I think that is why I’m not into it as much as I used to be. I still have groups that I am loyal to though.  2006 and 2007 were really good years for DBSK fans…REALLY great years. So for me, I cherish that time when I was almost obsessed with those 5 men and they (and Rain) are the reasons why I fell so hard for Kpop.  O Jung Ban Hap  and I’m Coming pulled me in ^_^

  • http://twitter.com/M_Wys Michaela Wylie

    2008 had more diverse music. And years before 2008 were still great, GREAT years for DBSK fans, so I think it really was a terrific year for Kpop. I’m probably a bit biased because DBSK and the Wondergirls are my favorite groups, but I think I also like 2008 because SNSD hadn’t completely taken over the Kpop scene yet….

  • Karolina Ignatavičiūtė

    Yes, 2008 was the best year for k-pop. I’ve become a k-pop fan only half a year ago and I lovex569854345678 Super Junior(Mr. Simple was the first kpop mv I’ve seen). However, when I saw Mirotic I understood why DB5K was and still is SO POPULAR. Effortless sexiness, magical vocals and can’t-take-my-eyes-off dancing or simply perfection <3

  • lemonoide

    I like SNSD’s first album but ever since Gee came out it kinda ruined k-pop for me, is a great song but it took over everything in not a good way, I still like k-pop but I feel so annoyed whenever I see SNSD now, and they are everywhere, they are like the Justin Bieber of k-pop along with the fans and everything.

  • Julie Barkun

    Been into k-pop since end 2007 and beginning 2008, so I’d have to say it was definitely the charm going on at the time that got my interest into k-pop in the first place. Not only (as mentioned) could you name all the bands without problems, they felt different from each other as opposed to coming up with similar songs and feels. There were definitely less boxes, less autotune, and all those bands who many people feel are on the decline were in their top form.

    I view old k-pop mvs wishing for the same style to reemerge now…with less pixelation of course. Having 1080p quality videos is a definite plus of right now.

  • http://twitter.com/_10shiJ m.m. sair

    It was THE REAL K-POP then. Nothing can describe it in words. But all I can say is that, the forerunners and the originals were active at that time and it was just…EPIC. It was really the best of the best year. That year’s awesomeness had something to do with the artists that were dominant at that time. DBSK, Wonder Girls, Big Bang  and Rain. And everyone will agree with me that these artists were the natural artists and brought real music in different genres. K-pop now doesn’t even sound close to how they sounded before. Everything’s like autotune now.

    I don’t think that kind of year will ever happen again. Well, unless these artists will come back on the same year, and then we’ll probably understand why 2008 was considered as the Golden Year of K-Pop :)

  • http://twitter.com/_10shiJ m.m. sair

    It was THE REAL K-POP then. Nothing can describe it in words. But all I can say is that, the forerunners and the originals were active at that time and it was just…EPIC. It was really the best of the best year. That year’s awesomeness had something to do with the artists that were dominant at that time. DBSK, Wonder Girls, Big Bang  and Rain. And everyone will agree with me that these artists were the natural artists and brought real music in different genres. K-pop now doesn’t even sound close to how they sounded before. Everything’s like autotune now.

    I don’t think that kind of year will ever happen again. Well, unless these artists will come back on the same year, and then we’ll probably understand why 2008 was considered as the Golden Year of K-Pop :)

  • http://twitter.com/_10shiJ m.m. sair

    It was THE REAL K-POP then. Nothing can describe it in words. But all I can say is that, the forerunners and the originals were active at that time and it was just…EPIC. It was really the best of the best year. That year’s awesomeness had something to do with the artists that were dominant at that time. DBSK, Wonder Girls, Big Bang  and Rain. And everyone will agree with me that these artists were the natural artists and brought real music in different genres. K-pop now doesn’t even sound close to how they sounded before. Everything’s like autotune now.

    I don’t think that kind of year will ever happen again. Well, unless these artists will come back on the same year, and then we’ll probably understand why 2008 was considered as the Golden Year of K-Pop :)