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Roundtable: EXO, the new SM Boy Wonder

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They’re here: the most anticipated boy group for 2012 that we have yet to actually see. SM has released the first few teasers regarding upcoming boy group(s) EXO-K and EXO-M. While they are literally two different groups with two different names and two different sets of members, they are one group in that they will promote the same Hallyu products–the only difference being the language, target market, and the individuals within the group. The logic behind the creation of this group in this manner is that it makes the process much more efficient. So this week, we asked our writers: Do you agree? Disagree? If so, what do you think about SM’s EXOPlanet strategy?

Jessie: I absolutely agree that this type of system is ridiculously efficient in terms of production. You pay for one set of songs and one set of choreography, and then deploy the groups to their respective markets where they can promote this product at the EXACT same time, and there’s no loss of time or money on traveling back and forth. I also imagine since the groups are being made up of Korean and Chinese members, there won’t be the same language barrier issues that some of the Korean idols have faced in the past when they expand out to other countries.

Ree: I agree that it’s efficient, but it also seems like a really big copout to me. And I’m not sure if it’s ‘revolutionary’ or just some really lazy marketing. SM has already expressed that they aren’t looking for ‘worldwide domination’, and I think it’s smart that they’re aiming for the Chinese market, but I’m wondering how well that could go. I mean, despite having a large fanbase ready at their disposal in China, even Super Junior-M didn’t actually reach ‘big’ mainstream succees until they shifted their promotional activities over to Taiwan (genius move on SM’s part, by the way). I’m also a bit confused as to how the fanbase for both these groups are going to work. Using Super Junior as an example again, most Chinese fans to me seem to be ‘Super Junior’ fans as a whole, rather than exclusive Super Junior-M fans (not saying that exclusive fans don’t exist, but they definitely aren’t common) — and I guess that’s an easy decision since only two members of Super Junior-M aren’t in the main unit. With EXO, since the two groups consist of completely different people, are Chinese fans going to completely disregard EXO-K, and are Korean fans going to disregard EXO-M? Is anyone going to put in the effort to completely follow both groups?

There’s also the fact I feel as though EXO-K are going to be receiving so much more mainstream exposure than EXO-M is when it comes to the international audience. International K-pop sites are going to be reporting on EXO-K moreso than EXO-M, and EXO-K are going to be the ones making the news on Nate, Naver, Chosun, and all that jazz. Not to mention, EXO-K are the ones who are going to be performing three times a week on Korean music shows. In the end, they’re probably going to end up with a bigger following as well. I mean, the fanbase is almost just as important as the group itself; fans are what bring in the money. I feel like there could be a really big divide in relevancy when it comes to both units simply as a result from promoting in different countries. I mean, J-Min and Iconiq have almost no significant fanbase because SM decided to completely focus their promotions on Japan.

Nabeela: I definitely think SM is pulling a strategically genius move. This isn’t just your average debut. This is some weird plot to market one group. SM is going to rake in twice the amount of money with what is technically just one group. But then again, we may be making all the wrong assumptions. EXO-M and EXO-K may be having separate debut audiences, but who knows? Maybe after that debut and these initial promotions, the entire group might starting doing EXO Planet activities. Again, that doesn’t mean we’re never going to see one sub unit some where, and the other some place else. As I think about this strategy more and more, it could even be a solution to crossing foreign markets. EXO-K may very well end up staying a Korea-exclusive act, while ‘international activities’ are accomplished in China by EXO-M. That way Korean and China will always have a bit of EXO lovin’ without ever having to compromise. Then again, this is just speculation. This debut-2 group tactic thing is really kind of mind boggling, but I’m really interested to see how it plays out for both SM and the fans they reach.

What I’m really curious about is lyric distribution and choreography. What happens when the sub-units are working versus when the group is together and performing? Will there be differences, are there going to be identical promotions, or is press going to be heavily weighted to one side of the ‘planet?’ Either way, I’m excited to watch this happen.

Natalie: I can see how this would be a smart move, but I can still see many things going wrong with this. For instance, I have a feeling one group will become more popular than the other or will be noticeably more talented. And if this happens, will SM only focus their attentions on the more popular group and just let the other dangle, similar to how they do with the groups they already have? Will people only want to pay attention to the Korean group? Will the Nationalistically proud Koreans accept EXO-M or see it as C-pop?

I’m also excited to see how this will play out. I’ll either be impressed and will begrudgingly have to praise SM for their ideas, or it will be a FAIL and I can smirk about it. I think I’ll continue to be pessimistic about this idea until I have to eat my words.

Subi: I’ve read/seen/heard a lot of people respond negatively to this group and this concept because they feel that EXO-M is going to be shafted by SM and that EXO-K will end up being the more popular group. But I think people need to stop regarding SM as the Big, Bad Wolf of K-pop, and while I don’t think this is a bad prediction, I don’t think this is going to be SM’s fault. Korea has a significantly bigger market for groups, and China doesn’t. EXO-M’s comparative lack of popularity isn’t going to be because SM doesn’t care as much. It will be because China does not have a large market for pop groups and idol groups to begin with. So, EXO-M won’t be going on these music shows, variety shows, and etc that give their market audience multiple avenues of access. And while EXO-M is a Mandarin group, they’re still representative of Hallyu in every sense of the word. K-pop is a growing phenomenon in China but it is still small and still foreign. The Chinese market is just not going to love the idea of the group as much as the Korean market. There are inherent cultural differences, and this is something SM has no control over.

Young-ji: I personally find this concept very intriguing and somewhat twisted but also smart.  If anything, this concept has already gotten everybody talking and that’s what SM is good at and is probably aiming for.  I think what will be critical and very important for SM is how the M unit plays out, which, in my opinion, will tell whether or not SM is really inclusive in regards to international talent or if they are just paying lip service to it because of their international fan base. Either way, SM got my interest (which is pretty hard to do) and I’ll continue to observe how they continue to market and develop these boys – who knows, maybe SM has a grander plan and will wow us all.

Natalie: Putting aside our discussion of SM’s marketing strategies for a moment, I’m wondering about the members themselves. After seeing the alleged picture of EXO Planet and all of its twelve members, I’m wondering if I’ll be seeing another Super Junior-like band with pretty faces, some personality, and a little talented here and there. One of the group’s members, Jino, is already known for being a great singer but after listening to the audio of other member Lu Han singing, I’m not really expecting something all too different from what SM has already produced. But that Tao guy is a martial artist, which is cool but sorta irrelevant to idoldom. Luckily, they’re all pretty, which seems like the only thing a lot of people care about. SM is known for their pretty faces, and that’s another marketing strategy of theirs. Even if the talent is average to non-existent, they all look hot, so people will want to watch them anyway. I’m almost positive that people will lap these boys up even if they aren’t completely talented.

Jessie: I think the martial artist aspect is only irrelevant if you do not have a Matrix camera.

Johnelle: For me, it seems like a lack of respect for fans by SM.  They don’t want to spend extra money on a Mandarin act so let’s just make a Mandarin copy of our new K-pop boy band and they’ll do everything EXO-K does, but in Mandarin and be EXO-M.  If it succeeds, I’d say the lemmings win (or lose?) again.

Subi: I don’t think it’s that at all. Honestly, this is not different from 2PM/2AM or Super Junior at all. If anything, it’s just more straight foward from the get go.

Johnelle: But 2AM and 2PM’s concepts are totally different and they don’t sing the same songs at all — they’re not carbon copies of each other just in different languages. It’s markedly different from what SM is proposing with EXO-K & M.

Subi: Okay, but is it different with Super Junior? The response to their sub units has been quite successful. Instead of creating one big group, that would ultimately end up creating sub units, or having one group that would have to split their time between location A and location B.

But either way, just because it’s the same song technically, doesn’t mean that it will be the same song in actuality. These groups have different members, different languages, and different nuances that will inevitably change the material. If you listen to Kai’s teaser in Korean and Kai’s teaser in Chinese, there is a difference–a noticeable one at that.

Johnelle: But in the Suju sub-units they promote different songs and different concepts.  Sorry, but to me it’s still not the same thing.

Subi: Perhaps it’s not the same thing but it’s extremely similar. People make SM out to be the Big, Bad Wolf of K-Pop and honestly, like I said in our podcast, I think people need to realize that everyone in K-pop — including YG, JYP, Cube, Leon, whomever, is doing anything and everything for money. K-pop is anything but a mystical, magical kumbaya between artist, fan, and company. It’s about making money and if SM wants to use this concept to be more efficient and make money, then go ahead. Everyone else is doing it too.

Nabeela: Quite frankly, I’ll say it again: I think this is a genius move on SM’s part. I’ll throw Subi a nod on this one–all of K-pop is a capitalistic business, so its just as much about music as it is money (if not more about money).

And focusing on the group themselves, I have no doubt in my mind that its another SJ, just revamped. I love Suju more than the next ELF, but to be honest, the members of SJ are aging, military duties are popping up left and right, and slowly but surely the group is fragmenting into more unit and solo work. SJ is really riding out the last of their time in the spotlight, I think, and a project like EXO makes all the more sense to come from SM because of that reason. All in all, I really dont care how they promote–give me a good jingle and I wont give a damn. If they turn out to be poor vocalists and over hyped with glitter, then we’ll have a different problem on our hands. I think our best bet is to give SM and EXO the benefit of the doubt and see what happens.

Subi: Exactly, Nabeela! I think we need to be a little bit more optimistic and have more faith in companies. They know how to hook, line, and sink us. They’ve been doing it for years and making a lot of money off of it. They, SM, in this case specifically, will do it again.

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  • maldita

    I’m so intrigued by EXO’s debut. I was luckily able to catch SHINee’s debut, and I swear, while the hype is somewhat the same (it is an SM group after all), the K-pop scene is so different now. It’ll be interesting to watch EXO in the coming weeks, especially since they’re apparently debuting as one whole group in Music Bank next week. I’m just waiting to see if they have a debut like SHINee or a debut like f(x).

  • http://twitter.com/flickaddi Felicia Addison

    “All in all, I really dont care how they promote–give me a good jingle and I wont give a damn” can that just be the conclusion for all arguments

  • kurdoodle

    This is an interesting strategy. So far I’m okay with what I’m seeing (they’re pretty boys, after all), so we’ll see. But yeah, I’m really worried about the M unit because I’m thinking that they’re at a disadvantage. I wonder if there will be something such as switching the M and K units every once in a while. But idk, that seems a little too complicated x)

  • http://twitter.com/mojitolulz Laura

    This is going to blow up in their face. I don’t foresee EXO-M ever gaining as much popularity as EXO-K. 

  • lisaVIP

    its like SHINee remaking their korean singles into japanese, only 10x faster! 

  • Anima

    No idea why but concept wise I’m getting strong INFINITE meets Shinee vibes off of this group for some reason except for the whole china/korea promotion tactic tbh (except less interesting and unique?). I don’t know why but I can’t shake it, maybe it’s because the talents and looks they’ve shown so far are very similar idk. Success wise however… I don’t see them becoming as successful as dbsk, but perhaps slightly over or under shinee because SM definitely has it’s advantages in that regard. This is just me. I feel like there’s nothing SPECIAL or CHARISMATIC about this group being shown to pull people in, what people are being shown is too cold and impersonal and relies too much on an already established general sm fanbase.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CI2NGOMLBNCWH5U4MKF57VJOHY Swaggerr

    Exo – Shinee 2.0

    • maldita

      And people called SHINee “DBSK 2.0″ and DBSK was “H.O.T 2.0.”

  • JW

    they are not even out yet and I am already having a hard time remembering them in teasers. It’s like “that guy in the rain” or that “Kungfu martial art guy”. And WAHHHHH….dofheidlfdjeidkcn there are 12 of them?! Sweet baby Jesus I already know I won’t be a fan (particularly M or K) of the group as a whole no matter how hard I try, sorry to break it, but I still value something on this planet called “individuality”.
    OTOH, I’m a little concerned/worry for suju cuz this EXO seems to be the group to replaced them when all of them are gone to fullfill military duties, man, we’ll see how this group will play in the year 2012.

  • WOW

    well they are all cute….
    other then the promo in 2 countries at the same time thing this just seems like the same old song and dance with SM i’ll wait till they debut to judge but im just too through with SM i’ve given up hope….

  • Anonymous

    I think that EXO-M will be successful if SM doesn’t isolate them in China. The M-unit might promote in Singapore, Taiwan, Indonesia, and other Mandarin speaking countries. If Super Junior-M is still a thing, hopefully EXO-M can tour with them to get a bigger fanbase. Talent-wise, EXO is just like any other idol group, which will have strong vocalists, strong dancers, some with variety-show potential, and some will be good-looking extra baggage. For now I’m just waiting to see whether the members can perform well as a group.

  • ggoma

    Honestly. I wish this whole stupid group thing would just die. One, all they are is a face. Two, I don’t want to memorize another 10 faces or listen to fangirls go Oh Kai is so hot and omg, we must start shipping them. Yes, this is happening just based of a couple of pictures and like one performance. It’s sad and pathetic really at this point. We can all enjoy Kpop sure, but the fandom part is spiraling out of control and it’s not going to make Kpop inviting.

  • AllforJay

    I take all points for and against having 2 EXO (same) groups. So far I can see $$ signs written on their faces (really attractive kids, tall etc). I’m happy that they’re finally getting their debut (that’s the ultimate trainees’ dream, I guess) but feel sad at the same time knowing their lives will be a roller coaster ride after that. But hey, it’s their wish/ dream/ choice after all. I just wish SM suddenly have an epiphany on New Year and decide to treat their artists as their assets, not their slaves (okay sorry, ‘slaves’ is a wrong word..machines? oompa-loompas? robots?)

    On a (irrelevant) side note, Tao looks like Nickhun and Victoria’s lovechild. Don’t you think? Hehehe..  

    • WOW

      omg he does look like their love child…..can not unsee…

    • Kpop Fan

      I agree! Tao really looks like Victoria especially.  Okay, I’m clueless, is he Chinese?

  • http://twitter.com/Laava90 Lava

    I don’t think they’ll be promoting seperately that much after debut, it seems like they are supposed to be one group but are just handling the debut seperately, after that I think they’ll come back together and promote together but perhaps just handle international work seperately, it’s definetly a good marketing strategy and kpop is all about the money making so I’m really looking forward to seeing how this works out.

  • Anonymous

    In regards to debuts (don’t matter the company) these days, I expect the worst and hope for the best. I’m curious as to whether they’ll pull a OneDay and have EXO-K be the dance oriented group and EXO-M be the “singers”. I don’t expect to give a darn about them when they debut cause, 1 what they’re doing isn’t revolutionary or new; 2 I’ll always associate them with Super Junior 2.0 aka TOO MANY PEOPLE.

  • Anonymous

    This whole EXO-K and  situation irks me because its like the group and the fans who are anticipating the groups debut are self aware of the fact that this is just a way to continue to release SM-esque group stuff and make money while Super Junior goes on hiatus. Although it’s pop music, made to be exploitable, fans should still appreciate it FOR the music, and criticize SM for releasing a group that is so much about marketing efficiency. 

  • eboy07

    Suck.

  • Aya

    i already replaced Taemin (im sorry eunhyuk and yunho’s fans, but yes i thought Taemin is the best) as the best male dancer in SM with Kai, and they said the one that they used in Kai’s teaser is their debut song? if it so, i’m gonna like it, then. Please make it so the song is exactly like that…not like Mr. simple’s teaser, yesung’s voice sounded so good, the melody..the rythm .. and then voila…. disappointed. And if it do sound exactly like the teaser please dont make them Shinee…great debut, but keep going down afterwards….

  • Anonymous

    I’ll give them the same benefit of the doubt that I give all new groups but if I hear the same ol SME crappy music that they have been giving everyone then I am out. As for the group, let’s face it SME is a mastermind at promotion so whether they sink or swim will depend upon them as a group and whether the market (both Korea and china) has room or is accepting of them. For their sake I hope they do well because we all know what happens to SME groups that don’t make SME money, off to the basement to be choreographers or forgotten completely they go.

    As for SME being the big bad wolf as subi so nicely put it, while I don’t think a group’s success or failure can be blamed solely on the company, I do believe that sme has a bad reputation for a reason, and this is coming from someone who has been into Kpop since the late 90s. SME treats their artists poorly and that is a fact. If the group is SME’s money maker, they will be worked to the absolute bone, if they fail SME won’t give a damn about them, they have done it in the past, they still do it now, and they will most certainly continue acting as such in the future.

  • Yuka5470

    OKAY, is it just me or my eyes playing trick?
    one member looks like a mix of kim bum and song joongki
    one member looks like a mix of yesung and jaejoong
    one member looks like taemin
    one other member…. kangta (?!)

    i found all of that comparison scary… but hella handsome may i say, (especially with the tousled brown hair in the back, the mix of yesung & JJ)

  • Hannah

    You guys should do a roundtable where you make your own groups with the members of other Kpop groups. 

  • tectonic

    You know how errr Moon Hee Jun I think? said that HOT was the guinea pig for shinhwa? What if SuJu is the test group for EXO? They seem to have been shunted to the bottom of the SM barrel

  • http://twitter.com/#!/perfumeah perfumeah

    Judging by the teasers, EXO still seems really try-hardish and visually oriented, with a lot of sparkle and shine but little to no quality below the surface. Jino’s presence gives me some hope that there will be vocal talent but even he couldn’t hold his own against the rest of SM the Ballad. Either way I have high hopes for them to release quality songs because other groups from the label aren’t getting what they deserve. If SME has been sacrificing resources and time on this group at the expense of their other groups, then EXO better put out something good.

    • idk

      Judging by something is not hardcore fact, showing a well perfected talent doesn’t mean they are try-hardish. If someone had an extraordinary talent wouldnt they be better off than TRYING to take on another talent which might not do them any good in a cold-hearted industry? Plus the fact that this is a group from sm which if you like a group from sm your looking at the future entertainers that you will have to get use to because they are presented the same way.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/perfumeah perfumeah

        Which is why I said “judging by the teasers.” It’s speculation and we may not fully know how talented they are in areas other than dancing until they debut. 
        As for the way they’re presented, yes they’re manufactured like other SM idols but they seem to be even more robotic….. “try-hardish” really isn’t the best way to put it but it’s what came to mind.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tan-Tee-May/1311712116 Tan Tee May

    ooookayyyyyyy, this whole article is just plain confusing im not a bias or fan of EXO and the teasers were blah blah to me seen alot thousands of them before excluding the martial arts thingy. what i think is SM’s marketing strategies for this boy group this time is either gonna be an epic fail or an epic win.

  • http://twitter.com/Cintaoftheworld Jacinta Scruggs

    SM’s approach with EXO for some reason just rubs me the wrong way. I want to say it’s smart but for some nagging reason…I’m not so certain it’s the best approach.  I feel like each half would constantly be in competition with the other rather than separate but equal. Every song they’d sing I’d think ‘who performed it better’  plus I wonder…is the talent evenly distributed between each half? Many acts these days will have a group with a talent ratio 3:1 3 people being the talent to one person whose more-so a look. I found myself agreeing more with Johnelle in this article, but I guess I’ll just have to wait till they debut to see how it all churns out. I will say this is a bit intriguing…

  • http://twitter.com/Cintaoftheworld Jacinta Scruggs

    SM’s approach with EXO for some reason just rubs me the wrong way. I want to say it’s smart but for some nagging reason…I’m not so certain it’s the best approach.  I feel like each half would constantly be in competition with the other rather than separate but equal. Every song they’d sing I’d think ‘who performed it better’  plus I wonder…is the talent evenly distributed between each half? Many acts these days will have a group with a talent ratio 3:1 3 people being the talent to one person whose more-so a look. I found myself agreeing more with Johnelle in this article, but I guess I’ll just have to wait till they debut to see how it all churns out. I will say this is a bit intriguing…

  • Anonymous

    hmmm i hope they are good! but one thing is for sure
    DANG THESE ARE SOME EYE CANDIES!

  • http://twitter.com/gmedespair Webster Slater

    I think we should remember that SM is moving forward from the lesson they learned from SUJU (the whole member-switch-up-fiasco): essentially, the fans are KING.

    Yes, the Chinese market is different than the Korean one, but not incompatible. The mistake they made with SJ-M is that they were riding on the shoulders of the few [in absolutely relative terms] Chinese who already followed Hallyu by bringing an existing element into the market (instead of cultivating a new on in the domestic market). That’s why I believe EXO will be successful. 

    Moreover, I think I see what their strategy is; yes, they will use the same songs but I’m confident we’ll see them PROMOTE different ones (i.e. more of the ballads in China and more of the dance/club stuff in Korea). I’m sure they’ll be sure to go double-in on the big ticket items (a la Lucifer, Bonamana, etc…) but they’ve garnered experience in China, and they’d be fools to make the same mistakes again (see. Super Girl).

    All in all, it’s a positive…and I think they’re going to use the group as a lure…”EXO-M fans, take a look at their Korean counterparts…no wait, look at the REST of our groups…” I give it about 6 months before we see SM Nation in Beijing.

  • http://twitter.com/phannan Ana Hannah

    SHINee World…EXO Planet… poor SHINee TT I feel like it’s a replica of their image

    What happens if one country likes the other group better? :P They’re totally taking out the members’ and groups’ individualities by expecting them to perform exactly as the other and receive the same reception. I know that especially with choreography, the two groups can give off quite a different feel and it’s not as if fans’ or the general public can just say, “Hey, can we get that group or that member instead?”

  • Bookthiefj

    I just can’t bring myself to watch the teasers .This group looks plain creepy to me and their fandom (?)looks like it wil take the obsessive fans gimmicks to new heights

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Krystal-Lord/49802323 Krystal Lord

    OMY word their new video has me hooked! It’s well written and I can even sing along if I try, fave member as of today ( forever changing) is D.O. he is the one with the amazing vocals 0_0

  • Anonymous

    “I think the martial artist aspect is only irrelevant if you do not have a Matrix camera.”
    True dat.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P4ZSUYNPUIRG7OCJAG3CTPDETM Bazinga

    Maybe EXO-M will make idol groups popular in China? I mean one of the major reasons they aren’t very popular in China is that there’s never really been a real professional idol group in China that is you know …. Chinese (SuJu-M only has like 2 Chinese members, so they can’t communicate that well. And unless your a fan it’s not much fun to watch someone fumble around on a show). EXO-M will be able to penetrate the Chinese market more easily because there won’t be a language barrier. Also I love C-pop …. 

    I’m planning to pay attention to both groups. Though I’ll admit I will probably pay a little more attention to EXO-K … just because Kai is in it!! I really like Kai so far!! :)