• Quicklyrainbow

    this basically describes seoulbeats.

    • Quicklyrainbow

      and by that i mean seoulbeats should follow this articles advice.

  • Tigana

    Some good thoughts you’ve got in there Megan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FNWBSTBRQZER55G4NIQNAIXKCQ tarwen

    I see the double standard and maybe the reason why I have turned more toward Asian music is because it’s not as mainstream as American; and I admit, one of the reason I fell out of love with American music was the provocativeness and profanity–from lyrics that say DIRECTLY what sexual acts a guy would like to do to a girl in a club or get her drunk TO angry messages from an artist like Eminem.

    I understand English better than the other languages I speak so maybe I don’t take notice of the sublime messages K-pop songs to have. (For example: Really, I don’t see how “under your skin” can constitute as sublime for something else in Korean media to have to be changed to “under your sky”?)

    • Gnattie

      I really hope that Western music moves away from sex and profanity soon. It’s getting old. The shock factor’s gone. I don’t care for it at all. That’s one reason why I don’t listen to a lot of pop or any rap because it’s most apparent in those two genres. I avoid songs about sex and drugs. But not all Western music is about those two subjects. I hate it when people stereotype it like that. There are a lot of songs that have nothing to do with sex or partying, if you look beyond the Top 40.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FNWBSTBRQZER55G4NIQNAIXKCQ tarwen

        For me, it started 5 years ago when I began to be off-put (borderline offended and irritated) by American music.
        I don’t listen to rap because it is sometimes them being angry over something meaningless, or it affects me to all a sudden by being moody.
        It’s not all about the shock factor for me but what is being sung actually INSPIRES listeners. Today songs are just about being hits and not touching someone’s heart.
        True, not all American songs are about sex and drugs, but the majority that are popular are — I heard 80% of country music is about drinking (correct me if I’m wrong, I heard that stats a few months ago).

        It helped that I was in college when I started to dislike a lot of the songs being put on the airwaves in America. Nowadays, I only listen to certain Top 10 (maybe 20) songs.
        I used to be able to stick to one radio station while driving but now I flip through all the set of 6 I have and if I don’t like any songs being sung twice through, I turn off the radio and plug my earbuds in!

        • Gnattie

          I don’t understand what it is about the Top 40, but it’s filled with the trashiest songs. I blame teenagers. Everyone under 17 is responsible for “Party Rock Anthem” being in the Top 40. That song is stupid. A lot of tweens and teens have the worst taste in entertainment. And I think this is true for everywhere, not just America.

          A lot of people I know listen to classic rock and alternative music and metal. The only guy my age that listens to pop music frequently is my gay friend. Most guys I know treat pop with disdain. I don’t know anyone that listens to one genre, though. Most people are like me and listen to everything, from show tunes to rock to pop to R&B to rap to alternative to classics and so on. I think pop is my least favorite genre, because it’s so commercialized I mean, yeah, TGIF and Super Bass are catchy, but that’s it. I like Katy Perry and Nicki Minaj well enough but I find them tacky on occassion. I despise songs that are obviously autotuned and just have the same stupid phrase repeated over and over again, with unartistic and unimaginative lyrics. They’re fun to listen to for awhile but they’re like junkfood. Which leads me back to wondering why I like Kpop lol.

          A lot of indie and alternative bands have been gaining favor, so I think the music industry is moving in that direction. It’s a new decade and I think people are getting tired with the overly sexualized music from the previous decade. Foster the People, Mumford and Sons, Florence + the Machine, Ellie Goulding, and others I can’t think of right now keep popping up wherever I go and becoming more mainstream. I hope I’m right about this, that the decade of Britney pop is over.

          I’m not much of a country listener but I think that’s a stereotype. I know that country songs do tend to be sad, though. But I think country singers have some of the best voices in the music industry, but this could be a matter of opinion.

          • Anonymous

            Well… teenagers aren’t all to blame. They’re influenced by their older peers. You know, at that age, they try to grow up faster and do more adult stuff, because it’s “cooler”. I admit, I feel victim to it. Most of the top 40 songs are songs that are heard in passing and therefore get more popular. I bet the majority of top 40 songs are used in clubs, remixed and all.

            Honestly, in a way “Party Rock Anthem” got into the top 40s because of advertisements; it was played in “America’s Best Dance Crew” and basically Quest Crew (one of the most popular dance crews to win) promoted it because they choreographed the dance moves and it was used in a car commercial. I, for one thing the tune is catchy, but the lyrics are another thing (I only like “Everyday I’m shuffling”).

            I have always been an alternative rock girl (ignore the short period of boy band pop because of N’SYNC); friends called me emo because of it. Yes, I do notice a group load of alternative and indie bands becoming in mainstream — but my concern is will they lose their roots and start to change because of it?
            The reason I think guys don’t like pop is it sounds feminine to them and somehow seems to emasculate their masculine if they listen to it. Katy Perry has been putting out some good songs. Nowadays, anthem songs seem to be on the rise. It may be the influence of Glee, or maybe it’s the songs current generations need to hear because of everything going on in the world. [Sorry, but for me, Nicki Minaj doesn’t equal pop for me, it’s more rap and she does autotune herself. If you listen, she maybe sings 5 lines at most that aren’t a repeat–my friend saw her open for Britney Spears and showed me the video (plus I saw her sing on SNL) and she barely sings when the backtrack does it all for her.]

            I don’t listen to country much either but I am seeing more people come out of Nashville and make it onto more shows than before.

  • http://twitter.com/WishZhu Jie2

    I get put out by the fact that young idol groups are sold as sex symbols, but are expected to keep up the pretense of virginal innocence on TV or in real life. That disconnect is what makes Kpop feel almost disingenuous to me.

    That said, I agree with a lot of what’s being said in the article. One critical difference, however, is that Gaga and Rihanna are both great solo performers. Groups are judged differently. Rain and Boa get a lot less fire from International fans. Spice girls / Pussy Cat Dolls were popular but judged equally harshly.

  • Gnattie

    I think this was a good article! I notice “Koreaboos” more often then I notice Western elitests, but that’s just me.

    I think both parties are absolutely ridiculous. Pop is plastic, no matter where it comes from. It’s made to please people, targeted at a certain demographic. It’s built on whatever sells, which is usually sex or appearance. It incorporates catchy lyrics and music to get stuck in people’s head rather than a message to penetrate people’s minds or souls. I don’t consider pop as artistic, groundbreaking, or revolutionary as I would rock, alternative, or indie music. I absolutely hate it, though, when people compare one industry to another as a whole. There are so many different levels to Kpop and Western music (I would say there’s more to Western music, though I could just be ignorant) that they shouldn’t be compared in “general.” Compare individual artists, not the entire genre. I don’t find Katy Perry to be better than SNSD, in talent, image, or sexuality, and vice-versa. I actually prefer SNSD to Katy Perry. I would put them above Britney, on the same level as Kesha, but no where near Christina, Adele, Beyonce, or Gaga. And I like SHINee much better than Justin Bieber.

    As for sexuality, I’ve always considered Kpop to be just as sexual as Western music, but in a more sneaky and creepy way that I find annyoing. Aeyeo, for example. The promiscuous clothing, the objectifying of idol’s bodies. This stuff wouldn’t bother me if Kpop and Kpop fans weren’t so annoying about it. They act like Kpop isn’t sexual when it so obviously is. Just because it’s not as explicitly said as it is in Western music doesn’t mean it’s not there. You can’t convince me that SNSD doesn’t utilize their sexuality when in all their videos they are dancing in miniscule clothing and drawing as much attention to their bodies as possible. I love SNSD but image-wise, they’re just as slutty as Katy Perry to me. And aeygyo is down-right creepy. Girls are dancing all sexy but acting like children. It’s sort of pedophilic. Ew. And I hate how Western dances are considered slutty but if a Kpop idol girl bump and grinds in on the dancefloor, she’s not slutty, just the dance is. What? Really. C’mon.  

    I think Lady Gaga’s major selling point is her voice and creativity and not just her image. Her image is huge but I can’t see it when I listen to “Bad Romance” or “You and I.” People love her because she’s talented and insane. Her get-ups, what she does, the stunts she pulls. She inspires people to be more creative and experiment with music. Since she came onto the scene, I’ve noticed that other celebrities have branched out and experimented with crazier looks and concepts. She has an amazing voice and without it, she wouldn’t be anywhere. No talent agency in America would’ve signed on a talentless, homely girl that just wears weird clothing. The appeal would go away really fast.

    Also, I would like to point out that there are a lot of unattrative people in Western music while pretty much everyone in Kpop is good-looking. Take this as you will, but remember that appearance has nothing to do with talent.

    I would argue that Western music DOES tend to be more creative than Kpop, but Kpop is more multi-talented, somewhat. Kpop idols are trained in singing and dancing, so even if they’re not the best in these areas, despite years of training, they can passably pull off both. All of SHINee can dance, but only Taemin and Key are the really strong, good dancers. Only Onew and Jonghyun are good singers, the others are just passably good. Please don’t get mad that I said this! I actually love SHINee. But am I making sense? I’m trying to say that Kpop idols tend to be more talented in singing and dancing than the average person, while Western artists typically have one really noticable strength, usually singing, and they may be able to dance to an extent. But I find Kpop to be more “manufactured” than Western music because Kpop idols tend to be good-looking people selected to go through years of training to be talented in singing and dancing while Western artists are either gifted in these areas naturally or put forth the effort to train themselves through classes. And just because you’ve gone through years of training or worked “really hard,” that doesn’t make you talented or forgive your lack of talent. Sorry, that’s just a pet-peeve about Kpop that I have.

    Personally, I prefer American and UK music more. But that’s not surprising since I am American. I grew up with this music, I understand it, and it appeals to me more. I still like Kpop a lot, but not to the extent that I love Western rock, indie, or alternative music. I actually find it weird that I got into Kpop because I prefer rock, alternative, and indie music more than anything.

    This is a really long post. I’m sorry!

  • victoriee

    I think International fan definitely are guilty of double standards. In fact, I agree, being an international fan; in the first 2 years of being a Kpop fan I was definitely a koreaboo. 

    On variety shows when they ask the girl idols to do sexy dances. I find some of it really disturbing. Then the next minute they’re doing aegyos. 
    Uhm. aegyo is meant for pure innocent people. not people who just air humped or “pole danced” on a guy

    Western music, I still like some of it but the overly crude language is sometimes a turn off. Kpop has those underlying messages, but I can deal with it. Sure it’s can be creepy as heck, but to me, I can’t understand it so it doesn’t effect me.

  • Anonymous

    I also tire of the “K-pop singers are wholesome and classy unlike those slutty American singers!!” mantra I see all the time. Not only does it have the slut-shaming I loathe, it’s also totally hypocritical and ignorant of cultural differences. Sure, western singers like Rihanna and the like are more provocative (and what’s wrong with that?), but korean singers sell an image just as much. Not to mention, most popular western pop artists are not young teenagers and they have *some* degree of control over their image.

    • DuhImAwesome

      Absolutely nothing wrong with being provocative…but I’d prefer subtly over blatant vulgarity. I loved Weezy’s Lollipop. It was obvious what he was talking about, but it was more word play. Unlike many of his newer songs which are full of pussy, suck this and that, let me feel that monkey, etc. At this point you still get the innuendos in kpop over the blatant in your face sex and that’s why it’s my main source of music for the time being. Let’s face it, sex has been in music forever, but vulgarity just isn’t my style, and because the American music industry isn’t as conservative, artist are given the freedom to be as vulgar as they please (why is an entirely different topic). I do worry that all the Western influence might lead KPOP to go down that road as well, then it’ll be back to classic rock and r&b for me. The kpop fans who deny kpop is sexual are laughable. These kpop artist are talented (some) but so are American artists. So far, as a newer kpop fan, the only real differences I see, besides the innuendo thing, is variety shows (would LOVE to see Western artist do this lol) and kpop idols seem to worry a lot more about pleasing fans than western artist, which I appreciate but wonder if it’s sincere.

  • renee

    It’s true that people from every walk of life have double standards. its human nature. but just because we contradict ourselves sometimes doesn’t mean we shouldn’t voice our opinions. I’m in no way taking jabs at the writer because i actually agree with this article. But just because both people are wrong doesn’t mean they shouldn’t point out each others wrong(hopefully that made sense). As an American because of my upbringing it’s obvious that i see things differently from Koreans and because of that difference I point out what i find wrong in a sense. It’s really just a big game of finger pointing.

    That being said Korea has a more conservative culture so it restricts its people to the point that artists have to rely many times on subliminal messages.
    G-Dragon’s Lyrics from Lollipop 2 (which I find as risque as western artists)

    (Uh) Let’s goNow here she comes, she wants some of my lollipopShe touchin on my body makes me wanna rockNow here I come I give it to her straight up and downNow here I come, here I come, come, come, come, come

    Now I don’t know how that got cleared for broadcast but…
    It’s just America is more upfont with its flaws and Korea definetely likes to cover theirs but both countries are both right and wrong in doing this. I think the reason I am so adamant in praisng western artists is because kpop communities love to tear them down. Obviously they’re doing something right if kpop is soooooo heavily influenced on it. It’s like someone coming up to you and trying to pick a fight. Of course your going to stand your ground.

    But I’m sorry. No matter how you spin it young kpop idols dancing provocatively in booty shorts on daytime shows while ajusshi’s ogle over them is sick and wrong. I will never think there’s room for argument on that.

    • RichelleNY

      @renee: Ditto! Exactly what I wanted to say.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anngelica-Aguilar/100000185514336 Anngelica Aguilar

      Kudos to this

  • http://twitter.com/flickaddi Felicia Addison

    i totally agree. It makes me cringe when the highest rated comment on a Kpop MV is about how its so much better than american crap and then those are also the type of people that complain about others not respecting their taste in music when they’re obviously insulting someone elses taste in music.
    Its not better or worse its just slightly different

    • http://twitter.com/flickaddi Felicia Addison

      also adding on something else
      i used to be one of those ‘anti-mainstream-hipster-its-a-band-you’ve-never-heard-of’ type people. And then I got into Kpop and i was baffled as to why I liked it. But because of it I ended up being more open to english pop and mainstream which is kinda weird.

  • Kpopboi

    The only real complaint I have about Koreaboos is that no matter how hard you try, or how long your a koreaboo, you will always be surrounded by a 30 inch thick wall of ignorance to Korean Music and Culture. By that I mean, they’ll never bother exploring beyond their kpop ‘biases’, they’ll never appreciate anything non-commerical, they’ll certainly never bother with anyone older than 30 and funnily enough they’ll never stop thinking that Korea is some kind of paradise with kpop idols everywhere and that everyone can eventually become a famous idol star. For god’s sake, please don’t learn Korean just because you wanna become the next Amber. Learn it because you love the country for what it is.

    • lay

      so true. it irritates me to no end when some ‘ignorant’ fans of the idols talk crap about artists who are not ‘idols’ when they know nothing about them, nor they ever bother to listen to these artists’ music. the same applies to those who only appreciate those young and beautiful actors in dramas and think they are the greatest acting talents, but when they read articles or see pictures of great actors like Song Kang Ho or Sol Kyung Goo, their ignorant comments is like: “who is this ugly old man?” etc.

    • Pg13247

      What’s really bad is hearing how many of these band-wagon fans don’t respect any of the non-idol artists. They claim that all of their music is boring or old, when a lot of those songs also hit GAON Top 10.

      To many fans, the S.E.O.U.L video is an accurate depiction of Korea where you can see your favorite idols milling about in daily life. Essentially a k-pop MV on repeat.  

      • Mer

        What video is that?

  • http://twitter.com/kekerri Kelly T

    The koreaboos are definitely the more noticeable of the extremes, but I find that after exposure to kpop for a while, many koreaboos learn that kpop and the culture it thrives in isn’t perfect. So I think being a koreaboo for a period of time is a given. For me, the elitist’s are the extremity that are the most annoying. Elitist’s behave as if they’re the more ‘evolved’ kpop-listener, when in actual fact, they’re just (a whole lot) fussier than the average kpop listener.

  • Anonymous

     honeslty, i don’t look at kpop when i want my daily doses of good music :P

  • Anonymous

    love this article!!! totally agree!! ^^

  • http://weeatlemon.blogspot.com conanblue

    The problem comes when you’re comparing K-pop and American pop, or any other pop in this world because essentially, pop is universal. The image, the sounds, wherever you go, the pop genre will be similar. I personally think the best thing to do is to compare K-pop with, say, K-indie or more quality music from Korea. I know it’s just as bad comparing genres, but at least it’s comparing music within a country so you get an idea of what that country is capable of producing comparing it with what the country actually decides to market. You can also compare people’s reaction to it, because the market will be the same (the Korean people as a whole).

  • Anonymous

    looool! love love

  • becky

    I was wondering when seoul beats was going to write an article about this, I think the writer is right on just about everything on the article, but I disagree with some of whats written on it. I’m probably one those people who has a love hate relationship Kpop, I was introduced to Kpop through Drama soundtracks some them were really, really good especially of historical kdramas but when I started getting into the Kpop scene it was disappointing to say the least, I could barely get myself to listen and watch an entire Kpop video.
    That doesn’t mean I think its backwards, I just cannot enjoy the mainstream stuff like Rain or snsd, or wondergirls, and its not the language barrier because I listen to other world music too, its just too bubble pop for my taste.I also disagree that alot of Western music is manufactured, yeah you would get the one’s who burst out from American Idol or other tv shows but the difference is most of the acts like Gaga, Nicki Minaj, they spent years in the industry as unknowns and they know how to differentiate their sound from the next guy, which is why you have so many different genres of music over there. I don’t think I’m guilty of double standards, I’m actually now a fan of of eye to eye, seoul beats mentioned them last week. If Kpop wants to dip its toes into international waters harsh criticism comes with the territory 

  • Anonymous

    I know this article is focused more on pop, but the “koreaboo” effect really irks me when rap or hip-hop is mentioned. K-pop fans will go on and on about how much they love their rapping idols, but look down their nose at Western hip-hop. Not all American rap is gangsters, pimps and hoes. Just like any other genre, there are less savory aspects (read: half-naked women, alcohol/drug use, the party mentality) that get commercialized and produced for mass market appeal. And I sincerely doubt that the people who call American rap garbage are in touch with the less commercial, more activist stuff that gets produced. 

    This may get me some flak, but until k-pop companies stop treating rap as some sort of fancy fixin’ for their songs, k-pop rap will never be as good as American rap. Hip hop started out as spoken word and was a mouthpiece for people who felt they had no voice. The best rap I’ve heard has been from people who are saying something deeper than “why won’t you call me, girl?” I don’t know too much about k-hip-hop or Korean rap, but I imagine it must be frustrating to see idols like Minho and Yunho (as much as I love him, the boy needs some lessons on rhythm) being promoted as rappers. I read somewhere that rap in Japan was big among the Zainichi (ethnic Koreans in Japan) who felt marginalized in their country. I bet that would be some amazing stuff to hear.

    • Gnattie

      That is true. I forgot how dynamic rap used to be. I’ve never been into rap, but I think it was better before it became all about being “gangsta” or “thug” or about sex, gangs, violence, and demoralizing women. That’s all it’s pretty much known for now. One of my guy friends says he only likes old school rap like Run DMC.

      Have you ever watched the cartoon show “The Boondocks”? It looks like an anime but it isn’t and it was showed on Adult Swim. It’s satirical and although I don’t agree with many ideas presented on the show, I loved it. It was funny and Riley is adorable in a crude sort-of-way. But anyway, it satires the worst aspects of black American culture. I’m not going to go into what they are because I feel like this discussion is out of my league, but you bringing up how rap has been degraded from what it once was reminded me of it. If you’ve never seen “The Boondocks,” you can find episodes of it online for free, like at Blinkx. That’s how I watch all my TV lol.

      • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

        Rap is still dynamic. You just have to know where to look.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anngelica-Aguilar/100000185514336 Anngelica Aguilar

    Bravo! Bravo! :D

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anngelica-Aguilar/100000185514336 Anngelica Aguilar

      Oh, and one good example is young boy groups like Teen Top and SHINee that are created for older women aka “Noonas”. I seriously dislike that … I had read an article on how SHINee is loosing popularity because the members are in their 20s and Taemin is “of age”. Seriously?! That’s sickening! ugh… I don’t like how they can specifically make some of these bands for super older audiences and everyone’s okay with it. To me it makes it seem like it’s okay to be a pedophile -____-

  • tyounge1991

    You don’t have to defend “western” pop music – their sales compared to your pitiful kpop sales speak volumes already. Don’t even give me the “well America has more exposure…etc” BS because AKB48, from Japan, Ayumi, Utada, Arashi, etc. all from Japan sell millions of albums within an album debut release often – cut the crap.

    Kpop is nothing but recycled crap that doesn’t sell or work in the US anymore.
    Rihanna is one of the many big pop stars in the US, not the only one – funny that you use her as if she alone, gorgeous as she certainly is, represents the vast market she belongs to? Compared to the “concept” obsessed Kpop world? Ha, yeah okay. LOL

    Beyonce could out sing and out perform basically 98% of the singers relevant in Kpop right now, she could do this in heels, and nine months pregnant. Yet Beyonce is picked to death here in America because standards are higher, depending on who your fan base is of course.

  • Van Nguyen

    Yeah, I never understood how guys ripping their shirts off wasn’t sex-inducing.
    Or how girls shaking in booty shorts weren’t slutty.


    • tyounge1991

      Not to mention all the gyrating of 14 year olds on stage, remember that beyonce dance sohee did at 17 with the short pink dress, ass cheeks out? Or basically anything hyunah has ever done, after school (they are grown and hot as hell) but they are selling the same thing as hyori, lexy, etc. all were selling too. LOL

  • regina

    The idols in k-dramas is what got me into k-pop, and the more Western sounding stuff kept me their. It was about a few months into my obsession that I realized most of the big stuff, the stuff international fans really get into, is produced by American or Western music producers, choreographed by those who aren’t necessarily going for the k-pop type of choreography, and whose style is made to imitate some concept straight of out the dictionary- retro, hip-hop, edgy, sexy…- styles that have developed in the West and have become globalized, but as a major aspect of k-pop., makes the whole “K-POP IS SO REFRESHING AND UNIQUE” stance illegitimate.

    The indie, less “family oriented” stuff in Korea is whats good and made me realize theirs good stuff out there in other countries, but yeah, kpop stuff is catchy, but it ain’t special. It’s fun, has some humor to it, and more to my aesthetic tastes than American pop, so that’s why I listen to it more, but it in no way compares to the really good stuff that can come out here and become popular. American artists survive in the industry because of their talent and powdered up a bit to market them better, not the other way around like it is in most cases in kpop, even with those few examples.  

  • Nabeela

    LOVE IT MEGAN speak the truth girl

  • http://twitter.com/FonieJYJ J East

    Hmmm, I’m listening to US or Western Alternative/Rock/Metal/Symphony Goth music more often than KPop or Pop in general. US or western now invaded with that drugs/sex/club song but it doesn’t mean that they don’t have good & awesome music. It’s goes to SK too. If you just look at Gaga & Kety Perry or Rihanna MV then that’s what you got. Same if you just follow KPop.
    I think its just about mood. & Way out of your routine. What mood make you want to hear what kind of music. But even if sometimes you hear those “garbage” music it doesn’t mean you don’t have standard for good music for yourself.

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  • Anonymous

    woah woah woah
    i get what your saying since you’re writing about the two ends of the spectrum BUT
    i quote “what’s the real difference between a group like Maroon 5 and a group like FT Island? Nothing, except that FT Island is not afraid to admit that their faces are their main asset” ? don’t know much of FT island’s music but they must be really good for them to be compared to Maroon 5 and this being the only  real difference. Plus isn’t it a little sad for a singer to admit that… (p.s I’m no Maroon 5 hyperfan but they have produced some very solid tunes) I guess i’ll go check the islands after i finish this, you know get a little taste of the tropics (insert tropicana man voice there) ;) 

    Plus we have delusional fans over here too. cough*beliebers*cough. Nothing against the Justin dude, but not all his songs should be praised to the high heavens (i’m currently enjoying his mix with Sean Kingston btw). I fear for this fandom thing happening over here. I hear there’s one being made for the Simpsons dude. If this becomes a trend, IDEK.

    I’m no way condoning the behaviour as it really angers me when people are just using only their eye sense to enjoy the music. They should treat music like food, have some taste people!!!! Well… long as you don’t anger the chef or waiter who cooks and serves it ;). 

  • eh

    This was a decent article until the last line, are you kidding me? You do remember this is a k-pop blog and thus people are obviously going to a) like or b) dislike something in k-pop. No one is dumping their repressed feelings of Western music on the poor little k-pop world. If anything k-pop is the one filled with double standards, but do I come to k-pop for “serious” music no. Not unless their is someone heavily talented I come across. Then again, I’m no music nut so me scouting for some good tunes is likely never to happen.

    Music is the same regardless in what country it is situated in. You have the good, the bad and the ugly. I mean tell me what relevance would it have if I said “Oh SNSD can’t sing, but neither can Black Eyed Peas” would that make my argument well-rounded and appropriate?

    Believe me people are well aware of the crazy fans and the elitist fans, you do make good points on that.

  • pammiej85

    I think this article brings up some genuine issues. The thing is you’re using someone like Rihanna as an example when the girl (although not exactly my taste) actually writes some of her own music and vocally can put the majority of female Kpop singers to shame. If her company didn’t focus so much on her looks and sexuality, she could be a better artist. Even the most manufactured act in the West are more hands on in their music and careers compared to Kpop entertainers. They don’t come from Kpop academies that train them and pay for their plastic surgery. I definitely see where you were going on the second part but don’t think you did a adequate job of making your point.

    • Alwaysh

      But Rihanna isn’t all that great of a singer though. She’s not bad, and she’s good. But I wouldn’t say she would put a majority of them to shame. Her voice is really thin, and she’s been continuously criticised for putting on sub par live performances. 

  • seanaldshoee

    I feel like North America does churn out artists just like Korea, but I do feel like the pretense is important. Because with the pretense at least some effort is being made to scout out talent that can meet the standard. Admitting it openly just means that it’s that much easier to get away with machine-processing semi-talented goodlooking individuals over others.

    But my beef is with the Korean Media and netizens. Honestly, they be tripping. (I just wanted to say that) Seriously, though? The amount of information that they have access to is ridiculous. We all know their diets, their weight, their schedules, anything we want to know, pretty much, we can know. Isn’t that a little bit crazy? I feel like all of this access that we have into their lives just feeds the obsession. The fans feel like they can get to KNOW their idols through all of these interviews and personal, invasive questions. But really, they can’t. They need to back off. Everyone needs to back off. I just don’t understand where privacy goes in Korea. 

    That’s not to say North America’s perfect in that respect. Justin Bieber, hello. But I do feel like the artists don’t have to sell themselves as much as the Korean artists do. For the Korean artists, I feel like image translates over to the audience not only through their music videos and interviews and performances, but also their entire lifestyle. How many videos on youtube are there of people following big bang or 2pm around? I remember one entitled ‘waking up Big Bang.’  And We Got Married? Enough said. 

  • Capri08

    I don’t feel a big difference between k-pop and American music, just that it’s different languages and in the America the artists have more freedom with the speech in the music than Korean idols do. 
    I think fans on both sides have to wake up and realize that sex sells everywhere, whether it’s American, Europe, or Asian it sells. Be it hidden like in Asian or out in the open like in American. 
    Double Standards go to both sides what ever views are said about one can be said about the other. 

    The only thing that is really nerve racking is people keep comparing the two. K-pop fans keep comparing Korean music to American music, but they don’t compare it to any other country’s music. And of course fans of American music is going to respond. 

  • Music=Love

    Very interesting point of view. I like it. I love Kpop, but I can never just listen to one genre all the time. The main reason why I prefer western music over Kpop is because of the variety.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/roan.deguzman3 Ro-an de Guzman

    you should also not forget to add Katy Perry. For those who hasn’t dug deeper on Katy’s roots, she used to known as Katy Hudson the Gospel singer. You can check Youtube, type Katy Hudson and you’ll see a set of her Gospel songs. Honestly, she is now far from what she used to be. I felt shaking my head off when I listened to her songs while remembering her latest songs “I Kissed A Girl”, “You’re So Gay”, “California Gurls”. “Nakakapanghinayang!” She used to be a soulful singer when she used to be Katy Hudson. Now I could not feel anything. Even if she is talented, it’s her sexualized image that overpowers everything. I wouldn’t mind sexuality, and I like sexual-themed songs and imagery, but in Katy’s case (and the rest of American pop artists’ case—excluding Madonna) sexuality is more exploited. When I even found out that she used to be a Gospel singer, I couldn’t believe with what I’ve heard and read.

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