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Counterpoint: Did Tablo Sell Out?

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TabloYG Entertainment, it seems, has scored big once more. They have sweet-talked an exclusive four-year contract out of Daniel Armand Lee, a.k.a Tablo of Epik High fame. To say that this left me with mixed feelings would be the understatement of the year. On one hand, Tablo signing on means that he’s planning to release more things. It’s been a long, hard drought for Epik High fans, ever since great Stanford incident and Mithra Jin‘s departure for the military. A two-year drought, to be exact. For a crazy Epik High stan like myself, those two years meant a dull, unexciting K-pop scene. However, the latest word from Tablo is that he is scheduled to release a solo album in November. My first instinct was to throw my hands in the air and rejoice.  New music will be like a beautiful rain upon my ears. On the other hand….

NOOOOOOOOOOO TABLO, YOU WHORE. I TRUSTED YOU.

How could he? HOW COULD HE? I realize that Epik High, and Tablo by extension, is very much in the mainstream these days. In fact, one could say that Epik High rounded the mainstream tipping point way back upon the release of Swan Songs. But, mainstream status notwithstanding, a huge part of both Tablo’s and Epik High’s musical and lyrical identity was always the pointed social criticism. Anyone out there remember both the song “Breakdown” and the video for it?  It was a beautiful piece. The lyrics were all about breaking free of societal chains, and indulging in artistic freedom and originality of thought. The ending shot of the video was powerful, with the bigwig studio executives getting fried in their electric chairs.

“Breakdown” was only a small part of it. Tablo has penned many more beautiful songs, a significant number of them tackling class warfare and the hypocrisy of the mainstream media. As Epik High exploded into a high-profile act, though, I felt a vague sense of unease. There was the same Tablo who had spoken out so eloquently about the system, playing right along with it and all the awards, promotions deals, and chart-toppers that came attached with it. But then, just as I was reconsidering my boundless affection and admiration for all things Epik High, incredible news was splashed over the headlines of every K-pop blog in the universe. Epik High had broken ties with their major label home, Woollim Entertainment, and set off to form their own independent venture, Map the Soul.  Although I felt sympathy for Tablo and was sorry for any troubles he went through that pushed him to break off from Woollim Entertainment, I was also strangely pleased. There, at last, was the Epik High that I had been missing all that time.

So I was back as a Tablo cheerleader through everything from the signing of multiple new artists to the burgeoning label to the release of [e]. Oh, how in love I was, back upon the release of [e]. It was scathing. It was raw. It was fist-pumping and identity affirming. This, I thought, was art. Ambitious in scope and unafraid to break a few rules. “Wannabe,” in particular, was a breath of fresh air, with its pointed attack on K-pop trends. But alas, this was not to last. The winds shifted again, as they are so often wont to in the music industry. Map the Soul merged with Woollim Entertainment. Most people shrugged and moved on with their lives. I, however, raised an eyebrow. Or two. Alright, so I was a little ticked off. What happened to all this fist-pumping about going your own route, and trailblazing in the industry? I was  prepared to fire my mouth off about it to all corners of the internet, but then Epik High dangled a carrot in front of me, with the release of Epilogue. Oh sure, it was different. Softer. But no lies, it was beautiful. So I shut my ungrateful mouth and enjoyed the music.

Tablo broke with Woollim Entertainment again, following the lack of support they showed him while he was embroiled in the Stanford scandal. I shrugged. Whatever. He was probably going to lie low for a while, until the clouds cleared and he could pick back up with a different label, preferably an independent one. So then I waited, like a good fan, for two long years. And now this news breaks. Tablo is signing with YG?  The YG of the Big Three? The YG of the idol pseudo-swagger and the wannabe hip-hop?  That YG? Oh, sweet Jesus. I’ve been sticking my fingers in my ears for years and years, humming and drowning out lots of insightful criticism regarding Tablo’s actions, but I can’t ignore my gut any longer. He’s sold out. He’s with an idol label. And now I’m done.

Yes, that’s right, dear, sweet Tablo. Release all the music you want. Rage against the machine all you want. But it won’t mean a thing, when you’re part of the machine. Perhaps I’m overreacting. A lot of people will think that I am. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-idol. I wouldn’t be writing for this website if I was. But at some point, music needs a little self-awareness.  An artists needs to realize that you can’t just talk the talk, you have to walk the walk. It’s painfully clear now that Tablo lacks this self awareness. And I can’t continue to cheerlead his “uniqueness” in good conscience. So for now, Tablo, farewell.

Do you think that Tablo has made a mistake in signing with YG? Is it an understandable move, or  does it truly make him a “sell out”?

(Asiae, Stanford Magazine)

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  • http://twitter.com/zamuz gonzalo muñoz ferrer

    It pisses me off that people can say Tablo sold out by signing to YG, considering that HE HASN’T PUT OUT ANYTHING YET. As if you know exactly what he’s thinking. You take for granted that him being a YG artist now means that all his music is stripped of “realness”. As if now his creativity is only good enough to make manufactured hip-pop.

    You don’t know what’s going to happen. You don’t know what kind of music Tablo will make. You don’t know whether he intends to continue to “rage against the machine” or not (but really though – being part of the “machine” forbids you to criticize it? I’m a human, can’t I criticize other humans without being a sellout hypocrite?). YOU DON’T KNOW.

    • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

      I love Tablo (read: love, love, love, love), but it’s enough of a statement to sign with YG. Yeah he hasn’t released anything yet and yeah I have 100% faith in Tablo’s musical capabilities, but again, he. signed. with. YG. I know YG is probably the only company in the big three to give much more artistic freedom to their artists than their peers, but let’s not shit ourselves into thinking YG is not a mainstream company out to make a lot of money off the mainstream.

      • eh

        YG is a business, you think they’re in it “just for the music” don’t be so naive. Every single artist is the same. Tablo has nothing to prove to anyone. He’s a big enough name not to need YG; and even for some reason he did need a company – then that’s his choice. If he makes good music (which I might add is SUBJECTIVE) then he does. If he doesn’t well I suppose we’ll hear enough screeching from you lot about the “evil companies”.

        I can’t see Tablo going into this blind, sure there is compromises to be made by both sides. But I think the man (who is also a business in his own right) can made a decision on whether this was good for him or not.

        • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

          I think you’re misunderstanding my argument. Believe me, I know that YG is a business. I know they’re not in this just for the music. Please, we’re talking about Kpop.

          And Tablo is clearly NOT big enough of a name to not need YG. If Epik High’s (brief) experiment going indie was any indication, it’s that they cannot stand up without a company backing them or else they wouldn’t have so quickly gone back to releasing their album after Map the Soul with a distributor and all the things that artists need to release albums that have an impact on the saturated idol market.

          Woolim is a small company and Epik has been able to do fine with them all these years (financially), but for whatever reason Tablo split from them for  — and I don’t want to speculate — Tablo has opted to go with an even larger institution. So no, as much as I love Tablo, I don’t think he’s big enough to go company-less.

          All I’m arguing is that going with YG will inevitably lead to an impact on Tablo’s music creation, as much as I realize that YG gives their artists creative freedom.

          • windyalchemist

            You’re right when you say YG will lead an impact on Tablo’s music, but obliviously its something Tablo is comfortable with, and believes it won’t suffocate him too much, other wise he wouldn’t have signed with YG

      • http://twitter.com/zamuz gonzalo muñoz ferrer

        It’s as much of a statement as people want it to be.

        “This new Tablo album is a masterpiece! Best korean hip-hop album in years!”
        “but he released it on a MAJOR label, do you even know what that MEANS!?”

        In my opinion, it means nothing.

        • http://evacuatewithstyle.org/blog Amy

          Good point.

          But.

          This goes against everything that Tablo’s been preaching for a long time. Look, I understand the reality of being in a trade that might or might pay you well depending on your artistic merit. He’s got a wife and kid to feed, it might not be the most practical thing to keep championing the indie movement. But because Tablo has always been so outspoken against being part of the “system” and doing things his own way, his signing with YG is one of the biggest statements he can make. It’s no longer a matter of “whatever people taking it to mean.” There really isn’t much wiggle room in what Tablo signing with one of the largest entertainment companies in Korea means. It means only one thing.

          • http://twitter.com/zamuz gonzalo muñoz ferrer

            I understand your point, but I still don’t think any of the things Tablo has stood for is contradicted by the fact that he signed with YG. He will be going against his preachings when he releases, on a major label, the kind of music that major labels and current trends “dictate”. And that has yet to happen. If he, on the other hand, creates music free from any of these influences, and shares it with the world through a major label, wouldn’t that be a triumph for “real music” (if that’s what his work is regarded as)? I think that’s a much more meaningful statement – he wouldn’t just be that rapper that’s critical of the system (and therefore perpetuating the notion that the mainstream is messed up, like the rest of the industry does with every new idol group), he’d be the one making the changes. And I think it’s unfair that we as fans don’t believe in his ability to do that.

  • nhoki

    PSY signed with YG too and he’s not an idol and he was able to make the music that he wanted. 
    If Tablo is as smart as we all think he is, he won’t be affected by the way YG raises their idol groups 
    just saying… 

  • Becca

    Tablo is apart of YG now. I’m disappointed. The only good thing is that he’ll be able to make music again. I just hope he doesn’t change his musical style to fit into YG’s image. 

    • http://twitter.com/cocojung coco jung

      and where would u want TAblo to be? SM? JYPE?CUBE? I BET YOU WILL BE MOREEEEEEEEEEE DISAPPOINTED!

  • eh

    Yes, you’re overreacting. Chill Epik High fans. Even when he puts music out, you’ll just be one of those deranged fans screaming it’s crap just for the sake of it. You can make music and not fall off the wagon. Judge the material, and not because he signed with YG. And lets be honest signing with YG is not a bad thing.

  • http://profiles.google.com/jcho49 J Cho

    You’re over-reacting nuff said

  • kh

    Oh come on! He hasn’t even released anything yet. I loved his music whether he was with Woolim or Map the Soul (or both). I’m pretty sure I’ll continue to love his music whichever company he’s with, even if it’s YG. Imo Tablo is one of the few artists in S.Korea who stays completely true to himself. Wait until he releases an album/single or whatever before deciding to bid him farewell.

  • Anonymous

    You are over-reacting at the moment and should wait till he releases new music and then make your judgement then. Yes he signed with a mainstream company, but as much as you apparently dislike YGE you have to admit unlike the other big companies, YG let’s his artists for the most part have free reign over what they produce and what they release. Just because he is a part of YG doesn’t mean his music will change. He has been out of the limelight for a couple years and by signing with YG it will give him access to top notch equipment and the funds to do whatever he wishes musically and bring his message to an even larger audience so I wouldn’t be so sensitive over this. Wait and if his music becomes idol fluff then rant but for the time being just chill.

  • I guess….

    Sell Out??? maybe but this is a little over-reacting… tablo is an AMAZING artist i could give 2 ish if he sold out as long as he keeps bringing in quality music im on his side. Besides Tablo is a grown man if signin to a major label can help him bring in the big bucks then hell by all means go he has a family to think about!!

    im not a YG fan or stan i think they have been lacking in the music department and are too try hard for my taste but since Tablo does his own stuff im not worried and if he stays true to music that made me fall in love with him and epik high then i could care less maybe he could help YG out a little bit and give teddy a break cause lord knows he needs it….

  • http://twitter.com/clazzigirl clazzigirl

    Sorry, but I don’t think Tablo ever created music under his previous companies’ orders and he never will. If you really think he’s sold out, you have little faith in him. 
    Sure YG is one of the Big Three but have you forgotten about PSY ? Are you just sad because his unique underground status is being “threatened” by YG ? Come on, every indie/underground acts would like to be popular. I don’t even think Tablo is doing this to be mainstream, he just wants a strong backup as he certainly felt betrayed by his previous company’s lack of support.
    Moreover, art and business have always been sensitive issues and artists have to make concessions between these two things. We don’t know what is in his contract so don’t ever assume he sold out his artistic values for “The YG of the idol pseudo-swagger and the wannabe hip-hop” (hey we’re in 2011, if you consider BB’s last album as a wannabe hip hop album, you should check your ears).
    Anyway, even if his music changes, that’s life, not everything goes the way you want.

    • http://twitter.com/novitoocool Novita Widia

      oh Lord…. if I only I could marry your comment

  • http://twitter.com/PhanTheHotness Jenny

    well we’ll know when he releases his music

  • Tenshii

    Wifey convinced him to be with YG because she believed the company can protect him.
    Let’s say it’s a fresh start from him.

  • Epik

    Ahahahaha
    1)  Woollim Ent: yes they left because they wanted to make their own music but the merge back should show how friendly Epik High still was with their former company, even helping out w/ Infinite’s debut…

    2) Maybe just maybe Blobyblo be needin some moolah? cause oh you know, they had a kid and now that a family has started and he’s been on a hiatus for two years and all and a man’s gotta support the family…not that i’m saying he would sell out for cash but what other job can he do besides his own career? =_=

    3) As icky as I feel about him signing YG, it’s just him who signed. Not Epik High, just Tablo. So as a group they’ll stay “true to their roots” but I look forward to hearing what Tablo’s got to say in his own solo voice.

    And I can’t believe fans would call their idol a ‘ho’….not nice. But I’ll see you back on the other side AFTER he releases his work =D
    here, a refresher for your ears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKJ6jjsEtBg

    PS: I think YG should start a nursery for all the company member’s adorable kids… :)

  • Wannabe Writer

    I said this in the other article, so I’ll add some points.

    Map the Soul as a company did not do well at all. They hardly made enough to keep the company going, so the merger made sense. Plus, they still had freedom. But this freedom ended when Woolim didn’t support Tablo through this idiotic Stanford crisis that destroyed not only his career, but his life and the life of his family. Life threats, his mother was verbally attacked, instead of celebrating the birth of his child, he was scared. Yes, it was that dramatic (and incredibly uncalled for). The hate forums still exist today. 

    Did he sellout? I don’t think so, only because I feel that YG, being the famous company it is (and a reputable company is what he needs right now, sort of a brand name endorsement) to kick up his career again. Honestly, it’s either this or nothing at all. Besides, YG artist are known for their freedom, so I doubt it’ll be much different from his previous works.

    My only worry is Tukutz. Part of the love I had for Epik High was the beautifully created music that carried the words. I think of songs like Umbrella, 1 Minute 1 Second, Gift, Piece of You, Doctor… these songs wouldn’t be what they were without him… With Mirtha away, it makes sense for solo work.. I guess I was just hoping it would be these two, like Run was when Tukutz was away :[

  • http://twitter.com/AxiomStarr Ricky Sharma

    People seem to forget that artists like tablo make a living by making
    music. This is his 9-5. Signing with a big label doesn’t make him a
    sellout. People need to realize, the only way he would be a sellout is
    if he changes his style to fit an image his company wants. Give him the
    benefit of the doubt.

    I’m not a fan of tablo or epik high, frankly I think there are better
    hip-hop artists in korea (and the world over for that matter) who get
    close to no recognition for their work. I do however see tablo and epik
    high as a group with integrity. I don’t think anyone has to worry about
    tablo selling out. He seems like a man who would be true to himself and
    his art.

    • Kpopboi

      omg. WELL SAID BRO.

  • Anonymous

    I think that the issue is less the music, more that Tablo is failing to “practice what he preaches.”

  • windyalchemist

    First of all, I think it was harsh of you to call Tablo a whore after what he went through. Did you read the aticle where it said his wife convinced him to do so, because she believed they could protect him? Considering the fact that he hasn’t even released music yet, I think you are overacting and jumping the gun. I think we should wait until said album is released, and THEN you can make an argument if he did sell out or not. When I heard that Tablo signed up with YG, I was kind of pleased because I thought: finally someone to protect him, seeing as Woolim completely failed him. Instead of standing by him, they left him to the wolves which is not cool at all. Besides, how do you know Tablo sold out? What makes you think he will stand by this company if they didn’t agree upon a comprise?  IF YG tries to interfere with his music, why can’t he just leave them like they did when they left woolim?  You failed to look at it from a critical point of thinking too :what and why would he sign with them? Is it because he also has a family to look after? Is it because he does need support from a company, even though he was pretty famous???  Tablo did talk against the system, and for that I love him, but look what happened to him: their songs would be banned, they would receive criticism, yet he would still stand by it. He further proved it when he and Epik High left woolim to make their own company. Sure, he agreed to be with woolim later on, yet they were able to continue to write songs their own styles-which clearly shows they didn’t sell out, even then(Epilogue). Hec, I would have been angry if he did stick out by woolim after what happened. Obviously you don’t have enough faith  in him.

    • windyalchemist

      Also, Epik high isn’t breaking up, Tablo has stated that they will wait for Mithra to come back. Once he does, why can’t he and Tukutz join Tablo at YG then?

  • http://twitter.com/annytran Anny Tran

    its just his management company and at the end of the day i doubt that will have an effect on his artistic ability or subject matters that he chooses to focus on, because if they did i don’t think tablo would’ve signed onto YG. Besides he isn’t going to become some generic idol boy and he does have a family to support.

  • http://twitter.com/novitoocool Novita Widia

    Calling someone’s a sellout even before releasing a single drop of note is a DUMB action young lady…. If I continue, it will be a loooong damn rant. So I end it here *shrug

    • TmL

      Calling a female “young lady” because you don’t like their opinion is condescending. You may end up regretting it one day to… idiot.

      • http://twitter.com/zamuz gonzalo muñoz ferrer

        If you call someone out for being condescending and insult them in the next sentence, there is little reason to take you seriously.

  • lolla

    Why don’t u wait and listen to what he has in store for us first? U might regret what you are saying now. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ORSXPERTNAEPCKZBGEZMP7A3NU Bianca

    From wiki: 

    “In music, counterpoint is the relationship between two or more voices that are independent in contour and rhythm and are harmonicallyinterdependent (polyphony)”

    As in YGE, counterpoint is very much in existence. Where there is your much derided pop, there is indie.

    2NE1 – Gummy
    BigBang – PSY 
    Gu Hye Sun – Kang Hye Jin
    Se7en – ?? (er… Tablo?)

    And really, for such a small number of celebrities, did you ever wonder why they’re in the BIG3?

    For Tablo’s purposes(independent from Epik High objectives), he made a good choice. Because there is a counterpoint. Him selling out remains to be seen after people gauge the quality of music he produces. But even Rage Against The Machine signed on with Epic Records because ”Epic agreed to everything we asked—and they’ve followed through…. We never saw a[n] [ideological] conflict as long as we maintained creative control.” Because you know… when you gotta rage against the machine, you can’t just have a few to listen to your rage. You need a wider audience.

    Title FAIL.

    and Wikipedia rape.

  • Anonymous

    I suggest everyone read that Stanford Magazine article linked to in the sources, if they haven’t already. I remember when I first read it I got chills down my spine and my face was streaming with tears. I think the author of this article doesn’t factor into account just how much psychological damage TaJinYo did to Tablo. For a long time he was afraid to even step out in public, much less stand on a stage. This rapper who had blazed fearless trails across the system for his music to be heard… came out of all of this with a gripping sense of stage fright, something he had never experienced before in his life.

    I was actually afraid we had lost him and his music forever.

    My reasoning is this. Tablo is afraid of the public. For good reason. He’s alone now, and he’s vulnerable, with the paranoid feeling people are going to randomly attack him when his back is turned. The biggest reason why he has joined with YG because YG is strong, and has the resources, the will, and the POWER to protect him if need be (unlike Woolim or any smaller company). Unless he can feel this sense of safety I don’t think he could have the confidence of stepping out into the public again to do what he wants to do.

    He also knows secondhand from his wife that YG is a good company. I don’t think he’d sign on if he didn’t feel that way. YG is known for its unconventional decisions and not always bending to the rules and trends of the entertainment world. It’s not afraid to go against adversity or to push for change. And I know Papa YG respects good music. Most of the time when you think YG you think Big Bang and 2NE1 but not everything under that company has come out in that style. There are other artists in YG that are slightly more under-the-radar but are given their own musical flavor and freedom (and not everything is produced by Teddy), and they are given the financial means to not have to ‘sell out’ because Big Bang and 2NE1 are already raking in the big bucks for the company. I’m willing to give YG the benefit of the doubt for now.

    I’ll reserve my judgment on whether or not Tablo has really ‘sold out’ until his new album comes out.

  • Anonymous

    I’m reserving judgement until his album drops on November 1. We don’t know what Tablo and YG agreed on since we’re not privy to the details of their contract. However, one thing is certain: Tablo isn’t an idiot, so I’m fairly certain that his creative freedom under YG will not be hindered. Give him and YG a chance.

  • TmL

    I wouldn’t really call him a sell out. I question his decision to join yg but I also understand he has a family now and that’s probably a large driving force behind some of his career decisions. He wants to be a ble to protect them while doing music so this decision makes sense. Not everyone can be a Tiger jk and own your own company with successful artists while still not conforming to mainstream rules.

    That said I will be extremely disappointed if his album doesn’t impress. Especially considering the resources he has available to him now. I do also find it slightly ironic how anti-establishment he was then he joins yg. Maybe that part of his life was just a phase?

  • Kpopboi

    Honestly, what I fear most is the shear amount of expectation that is riding on Tablo’s upcoming album. I mean.. for one, everyone here is now reserving their judgements on a single album … an album that will be the first since his many months and years of struggle. Whatever he produces, regardless of the judgement everyone here and outside gives, I know it will truly and honestly express his mind and heart. And that’s all you can ask for.

    • .___.

      I didn’t realize that until this comment. You bring up a really good point about the massive amounts of SUPER high expectations on his upcoming album. It would make or break his music (and possibly him D:). I really hope all goes all. I do not expect someone to follow their philosophy or personal beliefs because he or she simply can’t. Blazing the initial trail is insanely difficult. The fact that Epik High did it at all is incredible. Music is hard to make a living in. He has a family to protect and support. I think it’s ridiculous how easily this author turned on Tablo for not continuing to walk the walk or whatever that metaphor was. It’s dangerous for his life even just to speak it. That’s probably why idols have to cultivate that goddamn perfect image. Cut the guy a break. He and his family just underwent this entire ordeal no one can understand unless they underwent internet assaults in Korea. In the end, I’ll just be labeled butthurt by this site anyway.

  • Kpopboi

    By the way, EVERYONE should read that article link from the Stanford Magazine. I just finished reading it… its a long read but definitely puts every detail in perspective. The one part where he goes on to talk about the moments after his wife’s birth was particularly heart wrenching and scary. I can feel his paranoia when he even thinks the doctor might be a TaJinYo member…. jesus, itnernet anonymity can be such a scary thing.

    • Honey

      I just read the article when I read your comment. I wanted to cry out of frustration for Tablo! I can’t even imagine what that must have felt like… Honestly, I’d be completely damaged after that debacle as well. It really makes me sad to realize that people are capable of such senseless cruelty…

  • Mgflutie87

    Well not if he runs G-Dragon and Dara out of the company and returns YG Family to its former glory

  • Anonymous

    you gotta make money when you finally have a family. the good thing with yg is that they let their artists have a little more freedom than others

  • http://www.facebook.com/roan.deguzman3 Ro-an de Guzman

    Whore my ASS, Megan! I am not even a fan of Tablo, and I am not ranting like this because I am a YGE supporter, though I admit I am. Granted, YG is a hiphop/gansta’ wannabe company, but you gotta admit, out of Big3, YG deserves more respect than SME and the manwhore-producin’ JYPE. For one, despite YGE selling out to the mainstream, you’ve never seen any of their artists—including Bigbang and 2NE1—objectified as hell. Sure, the YG sound has gone so low that you wanna go back to their past, but you’ve never seen Sandara being catered to the ahjussis and even garnering the most number of ‘love’ from ahjussis. Sandara is questionable in talent, but you can never question her simple personality.

    Another thing, we can rant at an artist for selling out, but they have no choice. You should realize that we live in a dog-eat-dog / rat-race world, and a person has no choice but to sell even their soul to survive. Everybody needs money, everybody wants a good life. If a person thinks he DOES not need those, they are crazy. 

    Lastly, watch your mouth Megan!  

    • Anonymous

      You’re such a sweetie pie. Tearing some one a new one over…tearing someone a new one. Go figure.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FNWBSTBRQZER55G4NIQNAIXKCQ tarwen

    true, YG is one of the BIG THREE but think of it this way: an artist under the YG label still has more artistic liabilities and lyrical freedom than with SMe (boo!) or JYP (ewww~)
    with the attention and advantages under a major label, you can still be indie and hip-hop and speak controversial issues in your music
    I say Tablo isn’t a sellout–no, the only way that can happen is if he recreates himself as an idol, an actual plastic mold K-pop idol. He is just going from indie to mainstream, just like any artist that wants to get heard more.

  • Leejenny

    OA. Psy’s and Goo Hye Sun’s music was never like BB and 2ne1. these two along with Gummy and some more were given freedom to do want they want.

  • caitlin

    Tablo and Epik High
    earned my respect with the kind of music they produced and the kind of messages
    they so eloquently put in their song lyrics. In a land full of ballads and
    poppy idol music, theirs stood out. Later, I admired their efforts to put out music
    through their own label and to promote against much bigger acts.

     

    When they succeeded
     with Swan Songs and got all that media mileage, I’m sure a lot of people
    from the underground smiled, became hopeful. Because they sort of showed that
    music produced by relatively smaller companies can break into mainstream. They
    were a symbol of success. 

     

    I realize that the
    subject of this post is more than the quality of music that Tablo produces. The
    thing discussed here goes to his integrity as an artist and what he and Epik
    High represented in the past. Him joining YG seems like he’s walking out and
    negating everything he’s ever said. It makes him a liar, a poser if you
    must. 

     

    However, one thing we
    need to understand about this whole thing is that the Tablo we knew then and
    the Tablo here now are two different people. Remember that there have been
    major changes in his life – he got married and he had a kid. That kind of
    responsibility changes a person. It’s no longer just him now. He has a family
    to feed, a future to secure. Principles are principles, yes. But in the end, it
    won’t be putting food in the table. It’s not merely about getting the fame, the
    car, the hoes and all these connotations that a ‘sell-out’ seems to
    have. This time around though, for Tablo the stakes on getting his career
    back on track are higher. 

     

    Also, consider what
    others have said about Tablo’s horrific experience with cyber lynching and the
    whole TaJinYo debacle. That kind of thing isn’t something that will be
    forgotten soon. It will haunt a person forever. Reading that interview from
    Stanford really showed me how much it has affected his perspective in life and
    performing. The Tablo we knew – the cocky one with stubborn strong opinions is
    probably gone. It’s a surprise he’s even considered performing again. 

     

    There’s a certain
    charm to that concept of independent artists – all that angst and rage against
    under-appreciation.It’s a prime breeding ground for creation of meaningful
    music. It certainly has been the object of movies and other forms of media -
    fiction and non-fiction. But being an indie artist also creates a lot of stress
    for the artist themselves. They have to think of everything. Their work doesn’t
    end in production of music, there’s post production work that’s not at all
    related to it. They have to think about the business side of things – where to
    promote, who to approach so that they can get airplay, and since visuals are a
    big deal for Korean artists – where to get the budget to produce a music video.
    If they manage to get an audience and their music is liked enough to be bought
    and they get invited to music shows, they have to think of where to get their
    clothes and other equipment they might need for a performance. So, instead of
    them spending time just thinking of the music itself, they have to go through
    all these stuff that needs to be taken care of. It would probably be fine if
    the person/artist is single and does not have a worry in life. He owns his own
    time and he can handle it. But really, having a label helps the artist a
    LOT. 

     

    Now, getting into a
    label that’s part of the Big 3 certainly clears a lot of the worries that a
    person who’s formerly part of a smaller company or part of the indie crowd
    might have. But the other side of the coin is that there’s much less control on
    the kind of music that they produce because of course, these 3 are much more
    like a money making machinery. They’ll produce your music but they’re also
    going to ask you for their investment back. The album needs to be more
    commercially viable and radio friendly. But really, for someone like Tablo,
    there are more advantages than disadvantages. It affords him protection for one
    since YGE is very influential and they have connections in the industry. It can
    help him with lawsuits and handling media attacks. It also has all the studio
    equipment he needs to have to make all the music he wants. He’s got access to
    international contacts in case he wants to go to that direction as YG has been
    expanding their musical circle. Also, all the resource to have his music
    promoted. All in all, it’s not a bad deal.

     

    Of the 3, YG gives
    its artists most creative freedom. Even with their idol groups, they seem to
    encourage it. Of course the company isn’t perfect. They tend to have very
    lopsided promotions – case in point Gummy and Se7en as against Big Bang and
    2NE1. And they seem to have completely abandoned their hip hop roots. But we
    also have to look at PSY who’s part of YG’s new roster of artists. Psy’s music
    is his and he has YG manage the business part of entertaining. Though Psy
    probably had more leeway in producing his music since he’s more or less financially
    secure and is a close friend of YG’s. There’s really no way to know if Tablo
    can get as much control over his material as Psy has. But who’s to say
    that YG won’t be allowing Tablo to write music he wants.Based on recent YG interviews,
    he seems to have some sort of plan to revive their old reputation as a company
    that produced non-idol acts. Well, this might be a part of reason why YG signed
    Tablo.

     

    It’s so easy for us
    people to look down on Tablo as a ‘sell-out’ who’s abandoned his integrity. But
    we should realize that beyond being an artist who authored all those songs,
    Tablo is also a friend, a son, a husband and a father. We cannot get him
    piece-meal or just look at him as just one aspect of a person. We have to
    consider and weigh everything that he’s been through.

     

    An artist’s creation
    is a reflection of his thoughts and his experiences. For writers, their
    works differ depending on the point in time when they wrote it. When Tablo
    wrote his earlier material, he was an idealist who’s raging against the lack of
    opportunities of indie artists and how the big wigs crush indie labels and
    artists methodically. But now that Tablo now has seen how harsh the industry can
    really be, his views might have shifted and thought that maybe joining a bigger
    label like YG is a gamble he has to take. It might cost him his credibility but
    it might also gain him something more – like his own peace of mind. I think he’s
    entitled to that just as you’re entitled to walk away from him and his music.

     

    Tablo is a ‘whore’
    according to you. But also think that a lot of ‘whores’ do not sell themselves
    willingly to the highest bidder. A lot of them are in a position in life where
    they think they don’t have any choice on that matter. Maybe at some corner of
    his mind, Tablo thought he also didn’t have that choice.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    • Anonymous

      Your thoughts were very spaced apart but well put. ;)

      • caitlin

        Sorry about that. :x But I’m glad to get my message across. :D

        I’ve just been thinking about the fact that people tend to romanticize the idea of an indie artist’s life. It’s a hard life for those who do it as a full-time job especially if one doesn’t have the backing of friends and family to pursue it. And to be honest, I think as people grow up there are lots of responsibilities that are added so that we have to compromise certain things so that we can balance our sense of personal self with our relationships. Would people be happier to see that Tablo lets his wife shoulder their entire family’s finances just so he can pursue his higher ideal of going ‘against the machine’ so to speak? Tablo had his career taken from him by a vindictive person and I don’t blame him for seeking protection from a more established company since Woolim was unable to defend him.

        Artists are persons too. We should not consider them as an extension of our own ideals or puppets who will fight our fights for us. Sometimes we put these k-idols in a pedestal that when they do something that doesn’t conform with our idea of them, we get disillusioned and we get angry.They’re real people with real problems and when judging them it’s best to contextualize so our opinions are well-formed. There are some things that they do that I don’t agree with and there are really some stupid comments that come from them as well. Some of the things they do show ignorance of other cultures and can be offensive. But I guess if we must critique their actions, we  should make a fair assessment, weigh all things.

        I admit that I’m also guilty of being biased at times and can post really thoughtless comments. But lately I’ve been trying to be more objective. Tablo’s entire life was shook because of online comments. Sometimes we don’t know the power of our own words until something like his story (which is extreme) puts things into sharp focus.

        I understand where the writer is coming from though. Artistry and commercialism have been in loggerheads since forever. And being under a label will certainly affect his music. But in Tablo’s case, he had a lot to deal with. His message against big wig companies did mean something to him and he did walk the talk – he tried his best through that indie label he had and even with his merger with Woolim. So to call him a ‘sell-out’ or whore didn’t really sit well with me.

        Sorry I posted too much again :x TLDR.
         

  • Mattiasnd_92

    Tablo isn’t as stupid as you make him seem. I think he joined YG for one reason only: no other company protects its artists like YG does. G-Dragon and Daesung of BIGBANG went through shit that would have led many to quit their career, but Jiyong’s stronger than ever now, and Mr. Kang is slowly recovering from the shock he received. For someone like Tablo, who went through something even worse than the Jay Park ordeal, YG is the right place: unlike SM, they don’t send their troublemakers to the army, they make them stronger and ready to set the stage on fire again. And i don’t think he will sell out. Look at PSY: he signed with YG, but his music did not change a bit. His comeback song even featured a rant against autotune, and we all know that Teddy just loves to use it. PSY just needed -money- to do what he wanted, and YG gave him the means to do that. And, look at fucking Taeyang: he is in the leading idol group of Korea, but his solo releases are un-edulcorated R&B that received the praise of critics. He even had the balls to tell his producers to screw everything they had written for him, because that was not what he wanted. “Solar” was born that way. Just because they’re a mainstream company, it does not mean that they are complete sell outs. They were SURELY better in the JinuSean days, but people like Gummy, Se7en, Goo Hye Sun, PSY, Taeyang would not stand a chance if they were to join other companies. I have a feeling they’ll soon debut a rock band, and they already put under their wings a relative of Hye Sun’s, who performs in Hongdae clubs if i remember right. And i am sure that, if CL or Minzy were to go solo, the result would be amazing, since the girls have clear ideas about their music. Tablo just wants a place where moral and financial protection would allow him to do his thing without worries, and his wife knew that. 2NE1 and BIGBANG are already raking in big bucks, no need to sell out.

  • Ndncuttie02

    i give tablo mad respect for joing YG. YG is such a good company. Finally we will get to here tablo’s music again. Tablo is only thinking of how to support his family.

  • Jls5674

    Tablo’s not a dumbass. He can work his way through the contract. I’m sure he didn’t sign away his soul. Plus if you’ve taken a look at GD and Taeyang’s development as artists, you’d be hardpressed to say that they’re being told what to sing. Not to mention he had the full support of not only the other two epik high members but also dynamic duo. If im concerned at all it would be for MYK. we haven’t heard from him lately

    • chelle

      Taeyang yes GDragon and his plagiarism no.

  • http://twitter.com/ovenfreshhhhh ovenfreshhhhh ☆

    I think this article is a little too dramatic. You’re calling Tablo a sell-out without even asking WHY he chose to sign with YGE. Are you really a fan of his?

    Considering how often Woollim has let him down and the huge dent the Stanford issue put in his personal life, the most important thing to Tablo would be loyalty and support, right? Who better to sign with than the company that helped his wife’s career as an actress blossom? YGE will allow Tablo the musical freedom he deserves and the support he needs.

    Because YG Entertainment is one of the “Big 3″, we should be excited. More money, more freedom, more fans. And more fans means more support for Tablo and Epik High, which I will be only too happy to see.

    Let’s just wait to see what Tablo has in store for us before calling him a sell-out, okay? :]

  • Anonymous

    Lol….you know Tablo’s wife Kang Hye Jung is also a part of YG as an actress…plus YG has some of the best facilities (studios) as said by Will I am. YGs got his back.

  • Saboriana

    Artistic freedom and creative consciousness are beautiful ideals,  and if we live in a world were these concept were understood let alone appreciated, maybe the tern sell out could be use for musicians like Tablo. However starving artist and revolutionary movements via the arts are things that are long dead, and this is not because of the systems or the machine as much as we would like to make ourselves believe it is, but rather its because the mass in their wantonness do care and prefer the mass produce trash which they can easily consumed and regurgitate. So in order to survive and fine any kind of protection against everything that will get toast at them, the only thing that Tablo and the others can do is learn to play the system or get out of the game. The question we need to ask ourselves now will be, is it better to have 70% trash 15% decent 10% good and 5% great all packaged together, or would we much rather have 100% trash and have our artist keep their self-awareness. I’m not a great math student, but I’ve always believed that a little is better than nothing.  

  • Leejenny

    i guess youre eating your words now

  • http://twitter.com/ka_zu1991 里・リイ

    are you fucking kidding me? you’re upset because he signed with a big label? so now he’s considered a sellout. Music is fucking music. you listen to what you want, and you tune out the bullshit that’s behind it, if you really like the artist then what does it matter what label they’re behind? Do you think it’s that easy to get back up from being hunted down for the ‘truth’. he was abandon by woollim when the media and the netizens were threatening him. I don’t give a shit to those who think that tablo and epik high have become sell outs. they make music for people to listen to and the point is that they are the ones making the music. is it that hard to congratulate someone when they’ve become more successful or that they’ve finally decided to face the world again. I think you’re just being an idiot, tablo and epik high aren’t sell outs, you’ve just abandon them because they’re getting more fans that you don’t want.  

  • http://twitter.com/cocojung coco jung

    i hope by now you realized TABLO made the right decision…joining YG will not affect as to who TABLO is…TABLO WILL STILL CREATE WONDERFUL MUSIC with powerful back ups of YG.

  • seanaldshoee

    Okay, I think there’s only so far you can go to fight the system on your own. Sure, idealistically, it’s a great idea. But realistically it’s not exactly practical. This guy has a kid to raise now, and I’m pretty sure that he’s been changed a lot after last years controversy. Maybe I’m a little bit in love with him right now because I only JUST found out about the Stanford incident, which is why I’m scouring the web searching for Tablo related articles, but still. I feel like if you’ve been persecuted to that degree, you come out of it a changed man. You can still fight the system from the inside, but there’s only so long rebellion stays with you as you grow and other responsibilities catch up with you.

    Plus, he might be doing that ninja, you have to BE the system to FIGHT the system thing.  

  • Blastie

    What were you thinking when you wrote this?! 

    Are you even the fan of his? Hey girl, let me tell you this one. HE HAS A FAMILY TO BE FEED. And yes, eventhough he’s signing with YGE, his songs are still FABULOUS. ARE YOU SATISFIED NOW? 

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