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Piggy Dolls: Is their “Trend” headed in the right direction?

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AKA, this Op-Ed should’ve been written about a month ago, but someone brought it up in last week’s MuBank recap and I don’t have an album to review this week. *shrug*

On last week’s Music Bank recap, Seoulbeats readers Zero and tank commented on Piggy Dolls‘ absence from the weekly lineup. In fact, Piggy Dolls did perform last week, but the performance cut wasn’t available on Youtube until yesterday. My apologies for not updating the post. But as to why they didn’t perform in the weeks preceding Friday’s episode, I have no idea. Check out last week’s performance HERE. Phenom, as always. Look, Minsun’s actually dancing!


When Piggy Dolls debuted in January, there was a lot of buzz surrounding the group regarding their image as a “plus-sized” group with powerful vocals to boot. Many compared them to Big Mama, which was mostly active in the mid-2000s. Like Piggy Dolls, Big Mama was known for not conforming to typical K-pop beauty standards. Instead, they chose to purely monopolize their vocal talent. And it worked – the Big Mama ladies could sang (and I mean saaaang) and everyone knew it.

While I certainly don’t think Piggy Dolls is at the same level as Big Mama (and for good reason; the members of Piggy Dolls are still rookies and in their teens), I dare anyone claim that the members of Piggy Dolls aren’t talented. A solid, full-sounding female R&B voice is a rare find in mainstream K-pop these days, so when three voices like those of Minsun, Jiyeon, and Jieun show up to the scene, you don’t let them fall to the wayside. You give them center stage and let them set a new standard for female K-pop vocalists.

Piggy Dolls certainly did take center stage for their vocal prowess, yes – but as they promoted their debut song “Trend,” I couldn’t help but think that the group was also promoting their title as “The-Girl-Group-That-Collectively-Weighs-Over-200-kilograms.” One look at their promotion materials and you’ll pick up on the point preeeetty quickly:

Most K-pop fans have voiced their support for Piggy Dolls and their efforts to stretch K-pop beauty standards beyond the boundaries of pole-thin waists and toothpick legs. Others, however, are concerned that Piggy Dolls advocates a message that says that being overweight is okay despite the accompanying health risks. While the debate hasn’t exactly caused a schism within the K-pop community, the same question still arises whenever Piggy Dolls becomes a topic for discussion: do groups like Piggy Dolls serve as good or bad role models for the viewing public?

To which Patricia says: If we’re even having this conversation in the first place, then that means Piggy Dolls isn’t sending out the right message as a role model or as a public figure.

Let me explain.

In November of 2010, a little song called “Like A G6″ hit the number 1 spot on the Billboard charts and stayed there for two weeks running. It was the song for a good month or so – and was promptly forgotten a few months later, but I guess that’s how American pop works: being “the“ song for a month or two is probably the best indicator of finally ‘making it big,’  what with America’s horribly oversaturated pop music market these days. But that’s another Op-Ed for another time.

The masterminds behind “Like A G6″ were the members of this hip-hop group named Far East Movement – but most listeners didn’t really know that until they went to go buy the song on iTunes…and even then, many still didn’t pick up on the fact that the members of FM were all Asian-American, despite the fact that the group is called…y’know, Far East Movement. And even when they did figure it out, it’s not like anyone actually cared. The APA community (myself included) went nuts over “Like A G6″, and said that it was heralding the era for Asian entertainers to finally enter the American pop music market for good…but to the rest of the world, it was just another Top 40 hit that was their “jam” for two months, and not much more. Just like every other Top 40 hit on the radio these days. That’s just pop music for ya.

But despite the APA community’s over-enthusiasm about the song (and everyone else’s lack thereof), Far East Movement and “Like A G6″ nonetheless proved that America was ready to look past ethnic labels and listen to good music for the sake of good music. To this effect, I believe FM had a big hand in contributing to the colorblindness of their music and promoting it sans agenda. Had they marched into the pop scene and presented themselves as an Asian-American band with an overwhelmingly strong Asian-American message, then chances are “Like A G6″ wouldn’t have been known as that club song talking about sober girls actin’ like they drunk. It would’ve been known as that song by that Asian group and it might’ve been accepted into mainstream pop all the same – but the division between “pop music” and “pop music made by Asians” would have remained. By promoting their music for music’s sake, Far East Movement was able to make a hit, but they also subliminally promoted the fact that it should be normal for Asian-Americans to be producing Top 40 songs and hip-hop club jams. FM didn’t make their Asian-ness a primary selling point in their music, but they nonetheless made a giant leap for the APA community in doing what many minority ethnic groups in America have coveted: turning ‘Asian-Americans’ into just plain ‘Americans’ sans fanfare. Far East Movement presented themselves not as minorities but as a part of the mainstream – and they were treated like part of the mainstream.

Now back to Piggy Dolls. To be honest, I was slightly put off by their music video for “Trend” because right off the bat, the video doesn’t even hesitate and just pimp-slaps you with the group’s message: “We’re standing up for all those girls who aren’t skinnier than pipes and we’re telling them that they’re beautiful just the way they are!”

Which is nice and all, but by kicking off the video – and the group’s debut – with an agenda-filled message instead of, you know, actual music – it completely skews how the public is now going to view this group. A minute or so into the video, you’re pimp-slapped again with the stunning vocals of these three girls – but it just doesn’t seem to have that same effect as that initial image of the girl with the pixelated face who’s sobbing because everyone makes fun of her for being chubby.

One look at the group’s name and you can tell that this group places its market value not in the members’ talents, but in their image as a group with ‘unconventional proportions.’ According to how Piggy Dolls has been marketed and promoted, it sure looks like the only thing that sets Piggy Dolls apart from every other girl group is their weight.

And that’s not fair.

The voices in Piggy Dolls don’t sound like that of any other K-pop girl group. As singers, that should be what sets Piggy Dolls apart from the rest. Not their weight. Not their agendas as “body-image-acceptance” advocates. The members of Piggy Dolls have repeatedly said that they wish for women of all shapes to be regarded for their abilities, not their size. The trio once said that they “wanted to help people realize their dreams without being burdened by the views of others.” But by constantly drawing attention to their physical image rather than their vocal talents, it seems Piggy Dolls is widening the rift between “singers” and “fat singers.” In placing so much emphasis on their weight and their image as “plus-sized idols,” Piggy Dolls has in fact deepened the division between the mainstream and the minority. They may aim to promote acceptance of all body types in the K-pop industry, but by defining themselves as “plus-sized idols” instead of just plain “idols,” Piggy Dolls only further alienates the plus-sized community from the entertainment world, rather than bringing it together.

Like Far East Movement did with “Like A G6″, it would have been so much more effective had Piggy Dolls just bust out with an awesome song that showcased their awesome vocals and left the whole ‘body image’ agenda behind. As singers, their voices are all they should need. Obviously, their physical size may become the elephant in the room – or worse, it may become the topic of mockery and hatred from narrow-minded netizens. But the way to combat this isn’t to stamp “Body Image Pride” all over your image and music. Rather, you shrug it off and say, “Why does the shape of my body matter as long as I’m making good music?” If the celebrity doesn’t make a big deal out of it, then neither will anyone else.

And that’s how you integrate something into the mainstream: not by shoving an agenda into people’s faces, but by introducing it as part of the norm. It shouldn’t be strange for Asian-Americans to make chart-busting hip-hop tracks. It shouldn’t be strange for plus-sized girls to bring down the house with their voices. But if Piggy Dolls (and their management) insist on promoting themselves as Three Fat Girls Who Can Kinda Sing, then the public is going to treat them like Three Fat Girls Who Can Kinda Sing, rather than the Three Amazing Singers With Unconventional Bodily Proportions that they actually are. The result? Plus-sized singers will still be viewed as an anomaly in K-pop, and Piggy Dolls will have wasted their potential as a group that could have possibly made a real difference in the K-pop industry.

But as I’m writing this Op-Ed, I can’t help but think that maybe Korea is different from America in this regard. The more I look at K-pop from a socio-cultural angle, the more I realize that there are some nuances about Korean culture that I, as an outsider, will never fully understand. One thing that sticks out is that Korean culture seems to strictly dictate certain social and cultural nuances that most other cultures would consider to be intuitive. Just look at the idea of “concepts” in K-pop: every promotional effort has a theme, and that theme is strictly defined through the music, the artistic styling, even the way the the artists’ act and speak in public. In America, how would you define Lady Gaga or Katy Perry’s “concepts”? These things are never really defined in most other cultures, but in Korea, anything that’s not openly addressed and defined just becomes the elephant in the room. How many times do variety show hosts make jokes about an idol’s awkwardness on talk segments? Why do idols always apologize if jokes fall flat? Heck, why do you have to conjugate Korean verbs in different ways depending on how close you are with the person you’re talking to? Granted, there are a lot of things about Korean culture that seem very indirect and roundabout (once again, Op-Ed for another time), but speaking holistically, it seems as if Koreans are more inclined to openly define boundaries, groups, and rules that would otherwise largely remain ambiguous in most cultures.

So to apply that statute to Piggy Dolls, it would make sense that Piggy Dolls would place so much emphasis on their weight because if they didn’t address it outright, it would become that glaringly obvious elephant in the room. Korean culture places a huge emphasis on conformity, but if you’ve got something that is so glaringly different, then maybe it’s become a 21st century trend to play up those differences to the extreme. For Piggy Dolls (and even their predecessors Big Mama and the Bubble Girls), that difference was in their weight.

There’s a Korean expression that says, “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down,”  but in today’s culture, it looks as if the nail gets yanked out of the plank completely instead. And when you’ve got all these minority groups that are just beginning to speak up, the path to acceptance by the masses isn’t by alienating oneself through one’s differences, but to find reconciliation within the mainstream. The nail isn’t hammered down, nor is it yanked out. Rather, it encourages all the other nails in the plank to ease themselves out of their holes and form a community where nails of all different lengths can get along.

(That was a terrible analogy, but you get my point.)

So where does Piggy Dolls go from here? Well firstly, I really hope that this isn’t the last we’re seeing of them, because I do like them a lot and I think they’re incredibly talented. But even if they decide to change their agenda down the road, I don’t think they’ll be breaking (or even making) any trends, contrary to what their debut song may declare. The members themselves have said that they would like to see a “second or third version of Piggy Dolls” that would finally break the stereotype for good. I agree. The mere presence of Piggy Dolls in the K-pop world is one step forward in encouraging acceptance of unconventionality in a highly conventionalized environment – but it’s not a leap. We’ll only be seeing a leap once a group has the courage to present itself for its worth as a musician – not as a stereotyped image.

 

***I know I’m usually the album review chick, and I’ll return to my good ol’ album reviewing ways for next week. But I wanna hear from y’all: What album do you want me to review next? Leave your requests and suggestions in the comments below…and I’ll see you next week.

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  • zero

    Yeah I am in the post. ( will be long text forewarned)

    I agree Piggy Dolls coming right off the bat and saying they are fat and are pro beauty is in within completely lost me. I felt like they were saying hey we are fat but we can sing and are not depressed can be counter productive since most people will view as being those fat chicks.

    For the whole why do Koreans but most East Asian are different when dealing with issues is because of fucking annoying word HARMONY HARMONY and HARMONY. We are so obsessed with everything be okay and not offensive therefore we don’t ask but secretly judge. Therefore if Piggy Dolls try to explain why they are doing what they are doing to the HARMONY people will either reject them or accept. Like 2pm the were all ripping shirts and being ultra masculine and were kinda not the norm at the time but since they were hot they were accepted. I feel like in Asia everything has to fit and if you don’t then good bye. Korea should look to its more experience neighbor Japan since the ideals are the same. They each couple years have a sort of shift culturally where new things are accepted like being slutty, or goth rock and therefore for me Korea needs to mature more to accept different.

    • zero

      weight though won’t be accepted because nearly everywhere since the beginning of time thin is in. Look right now at Xtina she is going through a kinda down hill spiral but half of the reports are how she has gotten chunky. Big Mama were popular but they weren’t getting cf deals thrown at them or selling shit loads of albums like Hyori could cant sing like them and who songs are half as meaningful. Piggy Dolls are kinda screwed to be honest since talent aint worth shit in the 21st century.

      As for FEM they are selling music not an image and unfortunately wont be as big Lady Gaga or the Black Eyed Peas. Look at Kesha no offense to FEM but they are in the same genre but her ho/drunk image got her hundred k album sales in one day where as FEM got only 13k. Image is far more important nowadays.

      • fangirl.

        i just thought i’d let you know that being thin has not been in ‘since the begining of time’. There was a long period of time where big was in and that ‘trend’, re-occurred all throughout history.

      • Maddy

        “weight though won’t be accepted because nearly everywhere since the beginning of time thin is in.”

        This could not have been any farther from the truth. Weight, like all else in pop culture, is a trend. Granted the size then and now are extremely different. What has always been in is being healthy, which by definition back in the days were signs of a voluptuous/womanly body.

        • zero

          Sorry but thin or some form of it has been in. Voluptuous is just thin with curves like Monroe or Beyonce. Piggy dolls are fat and that has never really been in except for obscure parts of the world/

          • Maddy

            Thin has been in for relatively a short amount of time. Monroe and Beyonce are both modern examples.

            History tells us that larger people (both women and men) were accepted because it’s a sign of wealth, someone who can afford to eat despite the scarcity of food. (Other reasons as well but I’ll just mention the most general one) The obscure parts of the world who at one point or another believed in this range from Italy, France and etc in Europe to Asia (China, India, etc) to Egypt and etc. The arts during the time reflects this sentiment.

            Not very obscure, sorry.

            With the less scarcity of food due to refrigeration and technology, people are less worried about going hungry. Health has become the new subject of modern area because we can afford to think about it now.

          • Maddy

            Sorry, some grammatical errors, but I don’t think they deter too much away from my reply.

      • steve

        uh, no. since the beginning of humanity, fat women have been considered desirable. eg Venus of Willendorf a sculpture of the “Ideal woman” in cavemen times. In fact, even in the 21st centry men still harbor the preference for women with a bit of meat on them. Men who cheat will generally cheat with a woman who weighs on average MORE than their wife/girlfriend. Natural human instincts.

        • Maddy

          Venus of Willendorf a sculpture of the “Ideal woman” in cavemen times.

          Exactly one of the examples I thought of.

          I just wanted to add, the desire for women with a little more meat is link to natural instincts of seeing the women as more suitable to bear children.

  • juice

    Deep issues at play here…Hey, I’m not Asian or fat. Am I still allowed to follow kpop?

  • http://kpop101.com Katy

    really great article. I have mixed feelings about the image of the Piggy Dolls also. I want it to be good for Kpop, but I didn’t think about it driving a larger rift. I really hope they do well. I’d hate to see them disappear.

  • DD

    I kind of agree that in today’s society talent ain’t worth much because a lot of people don’t know how to evaluate talent.
    I mean, even for real tv shows like any singing competition, you see some people who are really good and get crap comments out of the judges while some people who are just so-so and are praised like they’re the next thing.
    I say this in the POV of a musician. I’ve been to competitions and I’ve seen my other musicians friends compete and the truth is that it really isn’t always about talent.
    People in general too, sometimes make comments about music and how it’s amazing or how much it sucks, but how much do those people actually know?
    I’m not saying that I know more than most people, but I’m still studying in music and amongst musicians we discuss these issues in a much different way.

  • oo

    I like your article, keep the good work! :)

    It had been long time, since I thought that something wrong with the way Piggy Dolls promoting their selves. How people start to see their music talent beside their body image if from the 1st place they are the one who emphasize it?

  • aznboy

    I actually don’t think it was that detrimental to have them label themselves as the plus-idol group. I think whether they went along with they mentioned it or not it would have had to be addressed. I think they were able to gain more media attention because they addressed it. I hope they stay around. I think it is hypocritical to criticize them for promoting an “unhealthy” image, and not criticize companies for selecting people that have the only “talent” of looking good. It promotes the idea that it doesn’t matter what kind of talent you have, you are not going to be successful if you don’t have the looks. So where that lead people without the looks -> Plastic surgery.

    • Love.

      I agree, I think they went ahead and beat people to the punch by addressing it themselves. They would have gotten crap for it anyways. [Not that they didn´t.]

  • Alixana

    I don’t like them. I don’t like the message they’re sending. I don’t like it that they’re like, “we’re fat but we’re the same as everyone else, BUT WE ARE FAT”. If you want to fit in, stop pointing out the obvious, and not so flattering trait of yours that sets you apart.
    And just for the record – fat is not okay. Up to a certain age you can blame your parents, but after that, it’s just sad. Get of your fat ass and stop indulging yourself and just do something! And if you don’t want to, well then you better stop whining about public treating you unfairly.
    They can sing alright. But so can Bella (new rookie group). So can CSJH (they are actually better that PD). So can BEG. And they actually make great role-models. So yeah, until PD comes up with a really great song…

    • Chris

      Dear Alixana,

      I’m so sorry for being fat and ruining everything. I know for a fact WW1 was started over an in and out burger. My people have committed such heinous crimes in the name of cookies and cakes. Why we do it, I don’t know, but it is not okay. I’m so sorry for making you and the others so sad. Maybe one day life will be better and we can all go on diets and run until we feel good again. But until that day you keep going to and fro with your message. And if you happen to go by a store could you please pick me up some sour patch kids also? I hate myself for typing that. I mean I really do.

      Love,

      The person who runs with you.

    • RoxyIsFerox

      if fat is NOT okay, then so as with BEING SKELETAL. If there are people dying because of fatness, then there are people dying coz they are allergic to foods.

      and stop preaching about the role model bullshit. man! that does not make sense. why don’t you just focus on music talent instead? you are just finding loopholes on piggydolls just to hate them. you are not even the strict and disciplined person in this world to rant at piggydolls at how they send “bad” messages to the people. you are just exaggerating.

      if being fat is bad, then being skinny+pedobait+objectified beings is EVEN WORSE.

      I’d rather enjoy life proving my worth to the world despite my physical flaws than enjoying my life proving to the world how pretty and sexy I am.

      • Alixana

        You can be both talented and weight normally. One does not exclude the other.
        But you go and prove yourself alright~

        • RoxyIsFerox

          unfortunately, if you cannot weigh (not WEIGHT, or to be safer, HAVE A NORMAL WEIGHT) normally then you have to find ways on how you can work with your negatives and positives. Man! there are overweight singers out there who are succeeding because of their music talent. After all, what’s the use of being in music industry when you end up sexually objectified in the first place? There are well-trained and slender kpop idols out there but ending up sexually objectified. If fat is BAD the SEXUAL OBJECTIFICATION IS EVEN BAD.

          Also, it’t not even right to preach perfection (since you already did) because you can never never hit them in the first place.

          I do not need to prove more because you know what? I have already proven everybody else in my work about my worth and my skill.

          • Alixana

            That’s nice

          • RoxyIsFerox

            hmmm… you just got served!

  • lilo

    Listened to their song trend and its okay …….. its jus I cant get over their name. If it was anything else. I could probably listen to their music. I know they’re talented and but its just weird to say oh im listening to piggy dolls! It sounds more like an insult then a group. Also if they’re gonna have a song like trend shouldn’t there outfits be amazing and not look like table cloths! lol

  • LoL

    I definitely agree with the article, the minute Piggy Dolls step out that scene, I knew right away that they won’t be making anything out of themselves right now.

    To begin with, the name “Piggy Dolls,” in itself, already spells out disaster. Saying “Hey, look at me. Listen to my music because I have long legs and a pretty face.” is really no different from what the Piggy Dolls are saying, which is “Hey, look at me. Listen to our music because we’re all fat and obese.” What made things worse for them are their claims that “…it doesn’t matter what size or shape you are…” obviously, it matters to them because their whole promotion is based off their size and shape.

    If they want to be unique, then be unique. Screaming “I’m unique!” everywhere doesn’t make a person unique. It’s something that people just begin to notice. And in Piggy Dolls’ case, their unique point was very easy to spot anyway, since they’re in an industry full of stick thin girl groups. Basically, their whole management team brought this upon themselves with the actions they took. They do have good voices, I just hope that they can think of a better gimmick the next time around.

  • Chris

    Vocally, they are very good. I saw their performance of Beyonce’s, One Night Only, and it was pretty awesome. I wish they didn’t use the fat gimmick but it’s whatever can get you in the doors these days.

    The marketing strategy is really superior. It reminds me of the Spice Girls and how they had the Girl Power message while also being stereotypes but it sold like hotcakes.

    And could you please review Secret or Mblaq? :) Thank you.

  • sweet

    I do think the girls play very heavily on their body image considering they want to be known for their voices. Great op-ed.

  • renee

    I know the APA community made a big deal about Far East Movement “making it” but honestly I don’t think people care to much about the race of the person singing a song. When folks found out they were asian they didn’t stop listening they just shrugged it off and went on with their days. People just like what they like. If you have a song people like you will be popular regardless. Even though it may seem listeners are prejudice to certain races in music I would bet you that isn’t really the case. Asian artists just didn’t bring music Americans cared too much for. For example, SE7EN’s Girls was just plain bad. There’s no way around that.Was it just me or did he look like he couldn’t dance? 0.o BoA’s Eat You Up, I Did it for Love, and Energetic were forgettable. They sounded like songs top artist would reject. I think i heard that Britney Spears rejected Eat You Up if I’m not mistaken. The only people who can get away with those songs are already established artists. If you want to succeed its not dependent on your race it’s about how good your song is. Taeyang and 2NE1 are artists I think would succeed in America because they have the sound Americans want/like. SNSD is a group that would crash and burn outside the asian community in America. I think Taeyang would fit nicely cuz he has a nice sound, a good image(looks, physique, and dancing), and America is lacking an early 20′s R&B/pop dance singer. Ever since that situation with Chris Brown he hasn’t recovered and the door has been left wide open. And if people talk about his height he just needs to be comfortable and confident with it. There are plenty of short male artists: Omarion, Bow Wow, Wayne, etc. the list is real long. I’m not saying it’s gonna be easy but if he can build a good buzz like he did with Wedding Dress he will be well on his way. Also he needs to speak fluent understandable English. And with 2NE1 even though America is not big on girl groups or groups for that matter, their sound will give them an edge. It’s very electro hip-pop which is big right now. It’s not who you are but what you bring to the table.

  • Patrick

    More Dal Shabet, less Piggy Dolls. Thanks.

  • Xenia

    The problem is, that it’s enough of very pretty slim girls and women in K-pop that can sing, in groups or as solo singers. Especially considering that pop-music doesn’t rotate around good vocals. So I don’t see it’s necessary for anyone to enjoy Piggy Dolls when they can find some artist that is more aesthetically appealing.
    I never liked this group, to be honest. I don’t like their name, I don’t like their marketing strategy, I don’t like their songs. And don’t really find them pretty, except for the one with short hair. I can appreciate their vocals, but I would prefer different style and I would never care about their music videos, I just would buy a CD (preferably without a photo of a group and their stupid name on it).

    As for a “success” at US and such… We in Russia all saw t.A.T.u. and so it’s just an illusion to think that one or two popular songs mean anything. Their performance with undressing girls at MTV awards was epic, though XDDD

    • RoxyIsFerox

      then the name Girls Generation is even stooopid as well as SME’s marketing strategy for ‘em: earning bigbucks by being bunch of virginal whores.

      • chippy

        haha “virginal whores” that’s true… I mean funny

        Oh and renee a few comments up is right. Although there are far more talented idols and artists than Taeyang and 2NE1 in the Korean music industry, their management is producing music and images that most Westerners would be interested in.

      • Xenia

        No, baby. To be called a girl – that’s nothing bad about it. To be called a pig – it’s just plain humiliating. Maybe in Korea it’s not as offending as here where I live, but I would take to court a person who would dare to call me “piggy”. That’s why I say it’s stupid to call yourself a “piggy doll”. It’s not funny, it’s pathetic.

        • RoxyIsFerox

          Girls’ Generation is stoooopid, I mean, how could you represent THE GIRLS OF THIS GENERATION when you flash your so-called safety shorts, don in miniskirts/short shorts, while trying to flaunt how pure and innocent you are?

  • tan

    “Like Far East Movement did with “Like A G6″, it would have been so much more effective had Piggy Dolls just bust out with an awesome song that showcased their awesome vocals and left the whole ‘body image’ agenda behind.”
    Never thought of it like that but I agree with you. I hope Piggy Dolls with a better plan/team because they are still rough around the edges

    • Patrick

      Rough around the edges. Umm, do you mean plump.

  • alex

    Interesting. But ethnicity and BMI are bit different. Whether people will judge these piggy dolls or not doesn’t change the fact that they are at an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, joint problems and diabetes. this is more of a health issue. malnourished or overweight. sigh. trends are deadly.
    Can’t get over the name they’re calling themselves. In most other parts of east asia, being called a pig is the lowest of lows, it doesn’t even have to do with weight either.

  • Love.

    ‘If the celebrity doesn’t make a big deal out of it, then neither will anyone else.’

    Come on, you know this isn’t true. UEE, Tiffany, Bom, Suzy and God knows who more, got crap just for adding a few pounds and they are light years away from being overweight. I think it was a good idea to beat the media/public to the punch and address it themselves.
    Whether this will actually lead to more acceptance of not-so-skinny idol women in the Kpop world, I sincerely doubt it. Like you, I too, have my doubts about this marketing strategy being the way to achieve that.

    Also, I find it funny ‘others’, as you mention, are claiming they are bad public figures for ‘promoting an unhealthy image’.
    Purlease. It’s about aesthetics, not health. Just say it.

    Putting aside the fact, that determining ‘health’ is quite a difficult feature, I’d like to address the presumption behind this claim: that skinny = healthy and fat = unhealthy.
    Health is not well measured by size alone.
    An overweight person could be just as unhealthy as a skinny person, you don’t know what’s going on inside.

    An overweight/obese person, indeed has an increased risk of CV disease, diabetes and a lot more of other diseases, but that doesn’t mean they will actually get them, nor does it mean that a skinny person is protected from them.
    Whether someone will actually fall ill, because of these factors is difficult to predict.

    Also, how come underweight Kpop idols aren’t considered ‘unhealthy’ and ‘bad public figures’ because of it? We all know being underweight carries health risks too.

    Looking at the Piggy Dolls, the one who is probably at a higher health risk is the girl in the middle. The others, although bigger than standard Kpop idols, don’t look
    (clinically) obese to me.
    But as we don’t know anything about other health factors, we can’t determine whether they really are healthy or not.

    In essence: this argument has everything to do with prevailing beauty standards and pre(mis)conceptions and has nothing at all to do with ‘health’ or them being ‘bad public figures’, because of that.

    I don’t like their name, but they do have good voices [and I won't lie that song is catchy], so I wish them the best of luck.

    Before I forget, how about HyungJoon’s (SS501) solo album?

    • Song

      I couldn’t have said it better.

    • RoxyIsFerox

      @ Love…

      Well said. Very well said.

      The people who preaches about overweightedness as being risky to health/being skinny is good and attractive are fucking laughable. As if skinniness are not being associated to anorexia. Seriously, if there are people dying of risks associated with obesity, same thing with anorexia/bulimia, or lifestyles that has a fear of foods.