Another SM Artist Leaves the Stable?
After the month of November passed, k-pop fans breathed a sigh of relief. All of the controversy, gossip and scandal that had occurred in the latter part of 2009 was enough to make you want to push the clock forward permanently. Well, it’s December, and things aren’t looking much better.
Han Geng (Hankyung), Chinese member of 50 member boyband Super Junior, and sub group Super Junior M, Hankyung has submitted papers to Seoul’s Central Court to void his exclusive contract with SM company. Of course we have no details as to what the documents obtain as of yet, but netizens are an inquisitive and investigative sort – the particulars will see the light soon.
Some rumours imply, with Hankyung essentially the face of Super Junior in China, he stands to acquire a more profitable career solo, and that he may be shooting towards a career in drama.
Super Junior member Kyuhyun recently closed down his Cyworld after leaving a cryptic message, appearing to side with SM on the matter: “Even a beast does not bite the hand that feeds one…I can not understand…”
SM’s reputation has taken a hit with the DBSK lawsuit, and following the shocking occurrence, could this be initiating a kind of domino effect? The money bags are stepping out of line, and though the fans are devastated, ultimately any upheaval will only benefit these entertainers in the long run. As the Korean entertainment industry expands and evolves, change is sometimes unexpected but always inevitable.
In the end, it is no myth that idol groups typically have a short shelf life, and in many instances, for an idol, are the springboards to an even greater career. To some it may seem selfish, but Hankyung is looking out for number one, and sometimes that is all you can do to get by in this world.
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2009 is definitely not a good year…
boo. not good. at all. sad face.
All i can say is that a volontary departure is always better than a exclusion !
‘Hankyung is looking out for number one, and sometimes that is all you can do to get by in this world.’
i completely agree. sometimes its just not about the group but about yourself. they have their own futures to think of.
“of 50 member boyband Super Junior”
so yesterday!
so unnecessary!
we all now know that there are a lot of them in the group, but I don’t get why there is a need to use hyperbole unless it’s the only way to make this article interesting.. as if the current situation isn’t interesting enough.
Well being that it is such a big boy band other members get left in the shadow. I don’t blame Hang because he’s looking out for his future like it or not Suju will not last very much longer. Leeteuk will leave for army in 2 to 3 years top he’s there in age already. Most ppl say what about the other members well Hang has to think about his future too. Idols don’t last forever
I didn’t think that Geng would be the first to make a move, (although, he probably was on top portion of the list.) Its quite funny, because just a day and a half ago, I was thinking to myself that SUJU was inevitably going to break apart. (don’t rush to bash me all at once.)
It just seemed to me that SUJU was heading that way anyways. Even though promotions for SUJU as a whole has ended and Super Show II is at its tail-end, members of SUJU seem to be doing their own thing. We have LT, EH, and SD doing variety, SJM in China, Kangin in hiding, KB MIA/movies, and who really remembers what HC, SM, and YS are doing. I’m sure many would want to spread their wings a little wider.
Now, I’m going to go to a dangerous place and say that although I understand that SM isn’t the fairest of companies, Geng’s desires to leave may be a bit selfish in his part. If SJM was not so successful in China as it is, I don’t think Geng would actually make the move that he is now. Remember, before SME, Geng’s path was a lifetime dedicated to a Chinese Dance Troupe. Note the lifetime. So in regards to KH’s statement, yes, SM fed and made who Geng is and showed his country he was someone. Without SM/Korea, China may have never recognized Geng.
You’re not alone, I have to say. Ryeo Wook and then SuJu are those who brought me to Kpop, and I can’t even find words to tell how I love them. But to be honest, the break-up is quite visible. Not that they’re not doing well or there is anything wrong with their relationship; it’s because I’ve never felt that SM is treating the boys as a real group. SJ seems to be a forever project group to that company (Yeah, I think that I’ll be slapped at the face to say such thing in such a situation; but whatever). The boys are like cashcows to them, not much more than that. Overworking and being underpaid; being treated unfairly, being underrated by many many ppl (yes, Seoulbeats is counted in the lists of those who underestimate SJ)…there are so many reason which make me think that at least one of the boys will stand up against SME. But not Han Kyung. It’s like a slap at my face. He’s not my bias in SJ, but what makes me admires him is his great personality, and this is sth…I cannot accept easily. Why now and not any other time? When SJ seems to reach their peak and SJ-M is doing really really well???
Geng helps to spread the popularity of SJ-M. Without him, I don’t think SJ-M can be this successful. But we should remember that, in the 1st place, without Super Junior, Chinese may not know about him. I seriously agree with you in this part about Geng. It seems a little selfish…
But I have to say that all I wish is the best for the boys. I love them because of their own personas, not only because they’re SJ members. As long as the path they choose is the best for them, I’ll support them. We cannot press them with what we want, the important thing is what they want and what is good for them. So all the best wishes for our boys, and we will wait to see what shall happen in the future.
*Idk why but I have the feeling that this won’t be as confusing and drama-like as DBSK’s case. As long as the fans don’t make a fuss about it*
To the writer: I know you don’t like SJ, this site doesn’t like SJ. But at least respect them. “50 member boyband Super Junior”? I only see it as a unnecessarily bashful comment :(
I read a LT statement about how they would watch their brothers in DBSK and wonder why they weren’t seeing such success even though several SuJu members are older. It’s because SMent didn’t take them seriously as a group.
That whole without SM thing…yeah we get it, I’m sure the artists get it. But it’s like questioning a child who wants to leave the grasps of abusive parents. “They gave birth to you and their DNA! How dare you.” We can’t fault those that want to be liberated nor the offspring suffering from some form of stockholm syndrome. Now if by some miracle SMent changed into a fair company and mended relationships than we shold also support the decisions of departed artists who might rejoin. Don’t know how likely, however.
Again, the profits brought in by SM artists since HOT have first gone into the pockets of the bigwigs, then to the predatory sweatshop system that is training, and then into promos, and whatever is left, well into the pockets of the bigwigs. Sure SM cooks the bacon (and the books apparently), but who brings it in? The artists have been feeding themselves since they were still in diapers (metaphorically speaking). But since their hands (just like their time, lives and money) are owned and controlled by SM, then yeah I guess it is technically SMent’s hand that is feeding the little beasts. I’m sorry artists. Goodness I’m being brainwashed by the industry’s lies.
Says to self:
Singers are not objects,
Singers are people too,
They deserve the same rights and happiness as me,
Even if I’ll be downcast should my favorite groups go their separate ways…err uh?…singers are not objects,
hope this one goes better than jaechunsu’s.. but im really doubting it
btw r yu sure suju is 50 members?? i thought it was close to like.. 115?
the fact that he hasn’t taken Suju into consideration or didn’t seem to talk to them about it makes his decision seem selfish. He saw how the DBSK members are going to get away from SM, he is taking advantage of it…. I don’t question his intentions, but the way he went about it is shady. A little heads up to your mates woud’ve been good.
countdown to the next person begins.
Um, how exactly do you know he didn’t talk to any of the other members?
Yes, how do you know that he hasn’t taken the rest of his group into consideration or hadn’t talk to them about it?
Anyway, perhaps this is for the best. Hankyung doesn’t earn much having to split his earnings with 12 other boys.
If Kyuhyun’s Cyworld entry and Heechul’s ‘black skin’ is any indication, I’d say the rest of the members are in the dark here as much as SM are. I’d happily eat my words if news suddenly come out that other members are joining Geng in his cause. Lord knows if SM really did serve them all a crap contract, then they need to talk to each other and work together as a group to fix it, not operate on an individual basis.
Kyuhyun and Heechul’s cyworlds give no indication whether they knew or not what Hankyung’s actions were. Kyuhyun’s “you don’t bite the hand that feeds you” could have been written after Hankyung told them of his decision to request a termination of his contract. Heechul and Hankyung are very close friends, I think they’re the closest in SuJu, so I doubt Heechul didn’t know what Hankyung was planning, especially since Heechul likes to talk/play with his friends all the time (ie. Lee Hong Ki)
That’s true your assuming that Hankyung has never said anything to the other members. We don’t have any info to really support that. I think they are all going through the same things, and I’m pretty sure it would be hard for any man to have his whole life controlled by a company for a pittance.
I think Hankyung is lucky in a way, cause he can always have a career in China and that SM can’t has to treat his case with kid gloves because it might hurt their rep in China.
My thought it maybe SM promised a big payout if they were successful. Like DBSK’s Mirotic was huge, and by whats on their contract they were supposed to get a lot of money from it because they sold 500,000+ units or something like that. I’m thinking DBSK didn’t get what they were promised (their other albums had not reached that point) and just got fed up.
So back to Hankyung, i’m not sure how many units sorru, sorry sold but i think it was a lot. And maybe SM didn;t keep their end of the bargain again. Also if i was him knowing that in China he’s huge i would want to go solo right away. I mean SJM’s 7 member cut is better than 13 but not cutting the pay is always preferable.
Just the stars seem to leave SM when they’re last album hits it big.
With DBSK and now this people are still commenting that “you signed the contract” blah blah blah. But what they fail to realize is that SMent hasn’t upheld their part of the bargain, ya know the little they “promised” to do. Plus the contracts, full of legal jargon near impossible to understand, were so ambiguous and vague that the company can change its meaing anytime they see fit.
DBSK has one of the better contracts so just imagine SuJu’s ha what a joke. Those contracts aren’t worth a d*mn, and certaintly aren’t worth people giving up their entire lives.
I think it’s calling him back for 3rd album promotions while letting Kibum do his acting activities. Hankyung seems to have had a lot of oppurtunities for better work in china, but SM held him tight.. indirect racism? More like, they kept his wings tied… He didn’t look all that happy while doing promotions, neither did he participate as actively as he used to before.
sad but if he wants to go we can’t do anything but just let it happen
i’m think that this is not an easy decision for hangeng to make… i’m guessing that he has pondered over this before making a move…
there are a lot of factors that had to be considered: the friendships, the fans’ reactions, his loyalty to SM, etc. but ultimately, he has to look after himself. after all Super Junior’s successes, where else can they go as a group? they cannot limit themselves within the group. they have to explore other avenues in their lives so i understand that he wants to go solo and i think it’s more rewarding to be successful in your own country…
i hope it all works out well for hangeng in the end…
Oh more drama – the PR department at SM Entertainment must be shitting themselves.
LMAO!! I was just thinking ‘How is SM going to spin this in a way that doesn’t make them look like the devil, considering this is like the 4th artists to speak out again thier horrendous treatment??’
Amen. If he leaves SuJu – that’s one more bad solo singer or mediocre actor. It is inevitable, and I wish all the luck to him, I like Han Geng. And China loves him, so he should be fine.
Truth to be told, if SuJu continue without him we will not hear the difference listening to their next album, so I’m not really sad, I prefer singers to dancers.
The only thing I find sad in this situation is that other guys are hurt by it.
Still, if they are able to solve this problem without much blood and disbandment, I will be happy.
With so many members there isn’t any reason for the entire group to disband. Kibum and Kangin, anyone? The only people that will stop the success of a smaller SuJu would be the unwilling fans I think. They almost missed out on a great singer like KyuHyun and a sick violinist like Henry because of only 12, only 13.
SuJu has been more of a mothership than a uniformed group. All the little aircrafts fly solo and then come home when its time for a massive attack like “It’s You” -sweet stuff
I’m a bit disappointed that Kyuhyun criticized him so harshly in public. He should have just said he was disappointed and ended it at that.
And i think Han-geng should have at least waited an extra year to further solidify his popularity if he plans to go solo (which I don’t think would be very successful. He has charisma, but his singing is just okay). But then who knows- maybe he’s tired of being an idol and wants to go back to being in a folk dance troupe.
This really saddens me because I’m afraid this might be the end of one of my favorite groups: Super Junior M (and perhaps a sign of the beginning of the end for Super Junior as well).
However, its good to see him standing up for himself. I mean he is an adult so he can’t be playing around in Super Junior forever. Poor dude is probably making very little money in a 13 member group. As a fan this makes me sad but I still wish him the best in whatever he decides to do.
my fav super junior member if he wants to leave he must have a reason so i say just go…. hopfully he will be able to leave smoothly w/o n e issues
If he leaves, Super Junior will be fine, but SJ-M will really go downhill as he is the face of the group.
i wld think that this wld b the best time for the other members to gather around and try to solve their money issues together…seriously wldnt having the whole group revolt have a greater impact and they can all benefit from the changes that occur…i dont understnad what’s wrong with these groups..
50 member boyband Super Junior. Wow Ashe are you being funny? Now is not a good time to make crappy (and old) jokes just to make your article interesting.
ANYWAY,
I hope the reason why he wants to terminate the contract is really JUST because of the unfairness of it and NOT because another big shot company in China is making him a tempting offer to jump ship. For me its too sudden after the media blitz they did in Taiwan where he looked happy-happy with SJM and talking abt taiwan concert next year. I don’t want to be pessimistic but I can’t help it but consider this scenario as well. Its too sudden.
@asian romance
I understand why Kyuhyun reacted the way he did. If I am not mistaken Geng is in China now so he may not have had a chance to talk this through with the others and Kyu may have found out about it the same way we ALL did. If that’s the case I don’t blame him for reacting that way. Besides, I’d rather the rest of the members be honest on what they really feel to the fans than just kept their mouth shuts and mind fucks us (cough DBSK cough).
He should’ve called Hankyung on the phone and talked with him, instead of posting on his cyworld. It just creates a rift between friends and band members when one member decided to criticize another member so publicly. No matter how “veiled” Kyuhyun’s words were, the negative connotation was so strong and it was clear it was referring to Hankyung. If he thought Hankyung was a traitor for “biting the hand that feeds” him, then Kyuhyun is just as guilty for betraying Hankyung’s trust by going to his cyworld and airing his harsh opinion about Hankyung and his decision. Kyuhyun was reckless in his actions.
“Kyuhyun was reckless in his actions.”
I agree. I mean would you start going around trash talking a family member who filed for divorce from another family member? Maybe if you were an angry little kid. But KyuHyun is a grown man, so act like one. It takes as much effort to dial a phone as it does to type less than subtle and very public words. It’s not even professional.
I think it’s called airing dirty laundry. Something the mind effing members of TVXQ (nice by the way real classy) were trying to avoid. But we all know how that went. SME has a powerful pimp hand. So, this whole KyuHyun comment could be their doing as well.
What a mess
SMent is the devil. A very rich devil
lmao. sm is going to hell.
I think SM should just do the smart thing and modify all of their contracts. DBSk had one of the most “free” contracts out of all the performers and we know what that looked like. I hope they resolve this. Geng is not even a native Korean imagine how it must be to not be able to go home when you want, and not really have an opportunity to make new non SUJU friends. Freedom is an important aspect to life, and unless SM resolves this thing with DBSK soon, I won’t be surprised if more artists started with the same thing.
man what a bad year for sm
maybe its a sign? this could be sm’s downfall
i’ve always felt that jyp and yg had better relationships anyways
i mean the president of both are so close with the members
while i never hear anything about the president of sm…..
oh well good luck hangeng!!
i’m guessing that in the 13 year contract, it was prohibited for him to do any solo stuff without sm’s support
They obviously weren’t supporting him in whatever he wanted to do and that caused this
I really doubt he just wanted to straight up leave the group, I think he wanted to do some sort of acting/performing in China/Taiwan solo as a sideproject or under the supervision of another company, and SM, being the up-tight assfags thye are, prohibited this.
props to him for standing up for himself.
he never really caught my eyes but i have more respect for him now ^^
and well, isn’t it always someone you expect least who actually has the balls to bring down the authority LOL
to hankyung -> more power to you !!!
to SM -> revise your contracts already. thought you don’t want to get behind YG/JYP in anything *shrugs shoulders*
I don’t particularly blame him to be honest. I’ve never quite liked the way Super Junior was handled and marketed. If he feels like there is something better for him outside of SM, then so be it. Being in such a huge group doesn’t really allow him to do much and do what he wants anyway.
Plus, he’s not even Korean (look at Zhang Li Yin – she’s a soloist but SM has hardly done much for her).
What disappoints me is what Kyuhyun said though :(
“50 member boyband super junior” <– is this some bad attemp at humor? Fail. Good try, though.
Anyways, 2009 is NOT the year for kpop. Goddamn. :/
There’s no way sme will let him out, maybe they’ll consider making his contract less “exclusive” but there’s no way in hell they’re gonna let their main source of money from China just leave. SJM would cease to be, which may explain KH’s frustration. SJ would be fine, maybe in korea but the whole reason SJ was popular in China was cos of Hankyung. Sme are going to try to be VERY generous with Hankyung unlike the way they were will DBSK.
NINE MORE DAYS TO 2010.
Hopefully things will turn well for boybands and male artistes in 2010. 2009 is a screwed year for them. :\
Wow ! … more drama, …which, I think, will continue into 2010.
I think this Hangeng thing and added with the ‘Cpop plagiarizing Kpop’ thing, will soon develop into fan-wars between their fans and between Koreans and Chinese.
……. Hangeng should have waited a few mths, ie sue SM later.
Hope this won’t develop into the next Korean War … joking.
Wow, this is really shocking. I had a feeling that SUJU might end, but I never expected it to start right now. I mean, SUJU had been missing lots of their members lately and there’s only been news on sub unit SUJU-M which, is kind of weird to only hear news about them. Kangin is in hiding because of his scandals and Kim Bum is making his movie. Like most of you stated, what happened to the rest of the members?
I haven’t heard news about them and it’s true that the older members of SUJU will be enlisted for the army. So, that means that SUJU will go into hiatus and may back a really late comeback.
As for him making this decision, I’m pretty sure he had a hard time too. I mean, he saw how the JaeChunSu’s case was going. He was probably feeling anxious, but then again, he probably felt that SME was only taking advantage of his popularity in China, since he was the one who got them there in the first place.
I guess you can say that everything is going wrong this year and will continue for the next few months of 2010. It’s sad to see this kind of thing to happen, but they are humans and they have feelings. I just hope that for the upcoming year, everything will end peacefully and the bad news will turn into good news. I’m a little disheartened by this news, especially since I’ve been feeling a little anxious about DBSK’s disbandment news.
I guess being a celebrity is not as great as everyone thinks. SME does have a lot of problems though. Many bands had left SME and has been somewhat successful. I mean, look at Shinwa. They had left SME, but went into hiatus. Many fans are losing hope that they will make a comeback, since many of them are in the army and doing their own solo career. Another example, SES. Eugene is the one who’s been really successful after the disbandment of SES, while the other two are unheard of.
Well, we will just have to wait for a Christmas miracle on this one. I just hope that it’s not a 12 to 1 ratio for SUJU. Hopefully there are some who will speak out and support Han Geng, but who knows what the members are thinking. I feel that they are great in their own ways, and putting them into a 13 member group, limits their chance of shining.
Like my sister said, most of them are just back up singers, while other shines. And I’m beginning to feel that it’s true. Only a few of them sing and the rest are just there to be there. Sighs, this is really hurting the fans, but then again, who can’t really do anything but wait for a miracle!
on a side note, I didn’t mean to write KIM BUM, I meant to put down KIBUM.
hopefully this leads sm to change their ways. i mean come on, its about time idols started sticking up for themselves.
If Hankyung wants to leave, and he’s not happy, let him. 13 years is a long time to be a singer/dancer/celebrity with so much restrictions on their lives (can’t even date whoever because they have to be focused on their careers. Hankyung is what, 25 now?). It wouldn’t be so bad if there’s a lot of money in their salaries, but chances are they don’t make a lot, especially since Hankyung doesn’t have a radio DJ show like Eeteuk and Eunhyuk, he doesn’t appear much on variety shows, and only has Suju and SuJu-M as his activities.
Kyuhyun was wrong for deciding to make his opinions public. No matter what, if you’re a celebrity you don’t open your mouth in public or post your thoughts on a website where thousands of people can see it. He should’ve called Hankyung in PRIVATE and told Hankyung what he really felt, instead of going to his cyworld and then shutting it down later. It’s like a slap on Hankyung’s face and just adds fuel to the fire.
martiandoll: If you take into consideration how much money Geng makes from performances, appearances, album sales, print, magazine ads and endorsements…he’s doing damn good, I must say. How much exactly does EunTeuk earn from Sukira and remember that you’re only paid on variety shows in SM if you’re a regular. Endorsements are where the money’s at, and SJM has a shit-ton of those in China. Don’t forget too the drama he was able to get casted on last year. Boy makes a lot of money, he was able to donate so much for all those charities and has a really expensive car, if he’s leaving SM it isn’t about the lack of money, that’s for sure. If he’s going to say it’s about the lack of money or opportunities, then yeah, totally selfish. Not to mention irresponsible, because he’s basically screwing 13 people over.
I agree. Hannie is basically one of the members in the group who actually have the chance to shine, even if it doesn’t seem so to the Korean media. SJ-M is earning big bucks from China right now, and may I add, he’s not just screwing 13 people over, he’s basically ruining the lives of Henry and Zhou Mi who are hanging on to SJ-M on a thread right now. He’s ruining the other 14 members, the so-called “brothers”
@martiandoll: As for Kyuhyun, look at it this way. Someone you call your “brother” suddenly announces things like this to the media, which I’m suspecting none of the other members knew, I think you’ll also get that feeling of being betrayed. And come on, to each his own. Hannie can feel that he’s not earning enough and it’s a burden to him, but Kyu can also have his own reasons for backing up SM.
Yes, he earns all that but how much from all that is he actually getting for himself? We’ve seen it all from DBSK and Sm’s dispute so the fact that Hankyung is doing this leaves room for suspicion with the way SM is handling things.
Huh. I read somewhere that Geng totally did a Nam Gyuri, and while there’s no supporting evidence, I’m starting to feel inclined to believe so. If his reason for leaving is all about pursuing a solo career, then I can’t support him for this. Practically all the members gave up on a lot of solo offers, projects and stuff for the name of the group. Considering that he’s got so many good things happening in China because of SJ and yet he still thinks SM isn’t helping him further his personal career, then what the hell, that’s so selfish beyond belief. Not to mention irresponsible, considering that he’s the leader of SJM and his actions basically screws over two members (Henry and Zhou Mi) who have nothing left to fall back on. The Korean members can just go back to SJ and perform in China as a group, but Henry and Zhou Mi will have no business performing in the Super Shows or any other SJ-related event once SJM disbands thanks to Geng. Tsk tsk tsk.
Hankyung, Zhou Mi, and Henry can go form their own group, with better contracts.
It’s not just about the solo career, what about their personal lives? These idols/celebrities have so much restrictions put on them by SM. DBSK’s schedule were so rigorous that they have gotten sick, yet they still performed because of their fans, and I assume because they had to. They had no choice. These trainees start as young as 13 years old…imagine spending your teenage years learning singing and dancing, at the same time going to school and paying for training fees. When they finally debut, it’s more stress, more workload, and little pay. They can’t go out and have boyfriends/girlfriends because they must focus on their careers. They can’t do whatever they want, say whatever they want without risking hate messages from both fans and anti-fans. This is the price of fame and celebrity, but SM artists must have it worse, since YG and JYP artists seem to be doing much better.
When G-Dragon was feeling down and depressed, YG gave him a vacation and made sure he recuperated and was feeling well before asking him to come back. Compare that to Leeteuk and Eunhyuk who, aside from being in SuJu, are also regulars at Star King, several more variety shows that they host together, and also have SuKiRa radio show. Eunhyuk went to Paris for 3 days only. How are you gonna enjoy a 3-day vacation? He had to go back so soon because he had so many activities to do and events to go to. Kangin was just as busy, he didn’t have enough time to sleep anymore, and was rarely seen by the other members.
Imagine doing that for 13 years. You will burn out and the stress will get to you. It’s not about the solo career anymore, in my opinion, it’s about Hankyung (and JaeChuSu)’s human rights.
I personally don’t think that it’s about going solo or being selfish. I just think that it’s about earning the rights of being a human being. I mean, there is just so much that we can handle. You have to remember that just because he’s an idol, it doesn’t mean that he’s a robot. He has feelings and maybe he’s just overwhelmed by everything. There is just so much that we can take and if it’s past our limit, we will eventually break. Also, I think that the news is kind of misleading.
As fans, or anti fans, we don’t really get the whole picture. Maybe there was a dispute among him and his company. There might be some personal things that were hidden behind close doors. As we can all see, everything that is on here is about money and going solo, but we don’t really get the whole picture.
There are many things that are hidden behind close doors. I feel that whatever triggers him to do this, well be hidden for a while. Just like the JaeChunSu case. There were many things hidden and eventually released.
I mean, SME did have a bad reputation after everything they had done with DBSK, but there are still things that the media doesn’t know about. There are also news saying that this is just a set up for their concert. So, who really knows what the truth is.
But like I said earlier, I’m not sure if this is about money or going solo anymore. It’s about more than that. I’m pretty sure that they are tired and overwhelmed with everything. If you haven’t noticed, they are working hard everyday and it’s gets really tiring after a few hours of sleep. Many celebrities gets amnesia and sleep deprived, because they are lacking in their sleep.
You need to imagine yourself as a SME or any other entertainment industry and having little to no sleep. I mean, even though we ‘normal’ people only work for about 8-10 hours a day, while they work more hours than their supposed too.
I believe that even if SUJU disband, you can’t say that it’s in his hands. There are a lot of questions about their disbandment, even before this. Many were already questioning their disbandment, when Kibum and Kangin went missing. Also, what really did happened to most of the members?
There wasn’t much news on any of the other SUJU members, and we have to remember that one of these days, the guys will get enlisted into the army. No matter what happens with this, SUJU will eventually disband or go into a really long hiatus.
So you can’t really blame him since there were already questions arising from the MIA of members.
On a side note: I just hope that the TWO legal dispute will be an eye opener for SME to change their ways. I mean, isn’t it enough that Shinwa and a lot of bands before them had left their company. SES, HOT, Shinwa. It’s just common sense that one of these days, a present group will also leave.
This is just my thought on what you said. Also, SUJU is not in the hands of Han Kyung. If you really think about it, if he leaves, they can just replace him with someone else. I believe that SUJU is in the hands of SME. They get to decide on what will happen to SUJU and not Han Kyung. What can one person do? Not much. One person can not destroy a band of 13 members.
Think about it?
Good lord this isn’t all about human rights either. He has every right to his personal happiness, but how he’s going about pursuing it with this lawsuit is outright scummy, if you ask me. Let’s remember that Geng is part of the whole that is Super Junior. It is not only HIS individual happiness that matters here, it is the individual happiness of the other 14 members including Zhou Mi and Henry. He made a commitment to the group and his company, he has friendships with more than one member of more than four years…don’t this amount to anything? Don’t this amount to a little bit of compromise on his part? Kibum is the perfect example that you can pursue a solo career but still be a part of the group. What about Heechul? Have you read his Nylon interview and how difficult it was for him to pursue an acting career while practicing and participating in the 3rd jib? He had fallings out with Shindong, Eunhyuk and even Donghae during dance practice practically every day. But he endured, and they all managed to come out of it stronger. What about Siwon who shuttled from China to Korea back in 2005-2006 filming for Battle of the Wits while promoting for Twins?
Can’t Geng do the same? A lot of the members have given up on plenty of projects and offers for the sake of the success of the group. Couldn’t he have given them all an explanation or heads up on his plans and his frustrations on having a solo career or the issues of his contract before filing this lawsuit? What about Zhou Mi and Henry who rely 100% on SJM for their career? What about the Korean members of SJM who lost sleep, missed their families during Christmas (this being the second one in a row), even got sick, etc. for the sake of promoting SJM which is, I’m personally inclined to think, 60% meant to promote Geng’s own career in China? I refuse to believe that, especially with the start of SJM, Geng’s personal life is suffering. He regularly travels to China to promote SJM and see his family. Unlike the members of SJM, Geng barely stays in the hotel/apartment meant for them and opts to stay at his parent’s house, so he sees them constantly. He is receiving a lot of money from endorsements, etc. thanks to SJM projects and his own endorsements outside SJM as well. Paparazzi follow him left and right in China whenever he goes out with friends, so what’s this about him not having a social life?
I’m sorry but this really seems like a dick move to me. He may be an artist who have suffered a lot just to fulfill his dreams but for crying out loud, he isn’t the only one. Super Junior is a group of 15, if it was really that horrible, then all of them should have filed already. If it was really that frustrating for him, he should have sat down with them, told them of his plans, talked it out with SM, etc. instead of seemingly going behind everyone’s backs and filing this lawsuit. And for the love of freaking god, can’t he WAIT?! SJM are in the middle of promotions. Thousands of tickets have been sold for Super Shows next year. SJ are planning to release a fourth album… I don’t even understand why he can’t wait for the right time to want out of his contract. It’s not like he’s due for military like the rest of the older members in SJ who are in more pressure to enhance their careers before they reach 30.
People can say all they want about Geng and his personal happiness, but Super Junior is a group of members who have openly stated that the success of the group is more important to them than their own. Geng’s choice to just go up and leave on his own accord may make him a champion for human rights but one heck of an unprofessional colleague/artist. I hope he’s happy. I damn feel sorry for his members who without a doubt will have to deal with a lot of crap he’s left behind.
if it was really that horrible, then all of them should have filed already.
You obviously have zero understanding of what it’s like to be in an abusive situation.
Anyway, if you follow the latest news he did this at least partly for health reasons. I’m sorry but effing boyband promotional activities should never come before the well-being (physical, mental, whatever) of the individual members; if some choose to, that’s their loss. And you have no more idea than anyone else not directly involved in this how much compromising Han Geng has had to do or tried to do already, or if he told any of the other members or not.
Him doing it at this point is actually pretty good timing from a practical standpoint anyway, because it puts that much more pressure on SME as well as gives him more clout to use on his own behalf.
And if Geng loses this lawsuit? That’s two members without anything to fall back on and 5 members who also endured probably the same amount of hardships, were subjected to the same provisions in their contracts, and made the same sacrifices he did for the sake of success, all stuck with having spent over a year promoting in China for nothing. Geng, on the other hand, can just sign to another company in China, recuperate, and enjoy a lucrative career. It’s a win-win situation for Geng, lose-lose for the rest of the members. How exactly is that fair again? Just because one person is publicizing his difficulties against SM doesn’t mean he’s the only one affected by it. I don’t even care if SJ stays as a group at this point because they’re barely acting like one, but Geng’s insistence on his own individual rights vice versa to the sacrifices and choices of the other members he’s affecting with his move is selfish, however way you look at it. Abusive relationship my foot, if Geng’s main focus here is his rights as a human being then he should be making a move to revise the contract, not terminate it.
Some of sj may want to leave, but where would they go? sm is a top dog in Korea, once you leave they’ll make your life a living hell the same way they did Shinwa and HOT. Hankyung doesn’t plan on staying in Korea, he’ll go back to China where sm has very little power and connections and he could sign to any company and will most definately be paid much more than what he’s getting with sm. Most artists in China are paid more than any Korean manufactured slave anyho.
The ones I feel sorry for are Henry and Zhoumi, poor guys, Hankyung could have waited a bit for the two of them to get more popularity in China first, but goodness knows how long that would take, or if it would ever happen.
That’s why I have problems accepting what he did, the manner and the timing. SJM is in the middle of promotions, SJ has Super Shows left and there is a 4th album to anticipate next year. And is he really sufferring? I mean if there is anyone who have benefitted the most from SJM. it’s him and only him. For most of SJM promotions, they are in China so he is with his family. Also, he never goes back to Korea like the other members. He gets all the fame, endorsements, projects and SOLO SINGING GIGS which he wouldn’t have gotten if SJM did not promote extensively in China. I am not sure really what he is complaining about. If there are people that should be dissatisified, it should be the other M members that are relegated to being wallpaper during SJM promos.
For someone to be dissatisified with that much individual success while other people giving up much much more for the group is just plain greedy in my book. Heechul and Siwon gave up a lot (much more than HanGeng) having more lucrative acting careers than him and stayed with the group. And these two have proven themselves as individual actors prior to SJ so the fact that they are sticking with SJ is even more admirable than someone who was able to taste how fame tastes like in China and seems like wanting more.
It smells like Nam Gyuri all over. And Nam Gyuri also was using the whole pity party excuse to get sympathy. How can she get sympathy when she is the prime and sole beneficiary of Seeya? Same with Geng. He is the only one that benefits from SJM. He hogs the spotlight so he can’t say that he is in a bad position career wise.
I am just hoping that the other SJ members don’t come out one by one and start giving out statements like what the other Seeya members did. That will be so messed up.
I think you should read the latest details of Hankyung’s case…where it was said he has not had a rest in 2 years and every time he asked for a break, SM denied it. For any personal break he would take, the time lost would be added to his 13-year contract, so that means the contract is really longer than 13 years. Hankyung had to go to every show SM wanted him to go to…no choice. He had to pay if he was late in training, if he made an “offense”, and if he didn’t answer a phone call from SM and staff in one day, his contract could be terminated. SuJu only makes 2% of the sales and profits from their albums and promotions. Hankyung and the others can’t use any of the songs they themselves wrote without permission from SM. Hankyung also has several health problems from too much work and stress.
Bottom line: SM has a strangle-hold on Hankyung and his artists. The slave contracts make it impossible for Hankyung or any other artists to leave without bankrupting themselves.
Compare that to Jaebeom who is still under contract with JYP even though he’s not with 2PM at the moment, yet JYP lets him rest and come back in his own time, in his own terms.
I’s so disappointed with this news!
Why Hankyung why??
Same with Kyuhyun!
Why Kyuhyun? Why do you post your message to Cyworld?
You should talk to Hankyung, your hyung before posting anything!! I pray for each day for them to stick together as 15!!
I never ask for much! I just want them to be SJ 15!
Not less! Hope eveything will be solved & Hankyung, please don’t make me disappointed…
^ *I mean making fun of SJ
If i think about….I can understand in one way why he wants to do it….
but the one thing we can do is to maybe understand them and wish all best for them in the future because we love them and if they are happy then we are also happy…and it shouldn’t end in a panique……..so all i can say is do what you think is good to do….i will always and forever support our Group…SUJU…..In the end we will see …..
I’ve always hated KyuHyun… SM’s little bitch
to seoulbeats,
update to the latest news please ?
about hankyung didn’t get any rest for 2 years which has caused him gastritis and kidney illness =(
I can understand where Kyuhyun is coming from but i think he should also understand that people have to find their own way in life. You can’t expect a person to be a indentured servant for 13 years just out of loyalty.
SM might be the one that feeding them but what SUJU is getting is scraps while SM dines on Prime Grade Steaks.
Yeah, at some point you have to realize that loyalty is all well and good, but that it has to be very, very conditional. Just because you owe someone for a past favor doesn’t mean you excuse them treating you poorly.
IDEK, I get so frustrated with this stuff because I always feel as if the people arguing against these lawsuits because the artists should be loyal to their company or group or whatever would also go argue that it’s okay for parents to beat the crap out of their kids just because oh the parents gave birth to and raised them.
I know the whole profit sharing issues but the thing I would have understood it more if it were the neglected M members like Ryeowook or someone from the main group like Sungmin would have done this. Hangeng is probably in his most successful period career-wise and also since SJM is aways based in China, he is never far from family and solo career oppurtunities compared to the other M members who had to leave career opportunities in Korea since only Geng is allowed to do solo stuff in China. That’s why I wasn’t surprised at all that he chose to do this now and not back in 2007 when he was virtually unknown in China. I just wished he waited until after the promotions of SJM were done or at least after SJ’s 4th album before pulling this crap which puts everyone in SJ/SJM, especially the Chinese SJM members in jeopardy.
That’s why I referenced Nam Gyuri. His case is very similar to her and not to DBSK since JaeChunSu did this lawsuit together and never indicated wanting to leave DBSK. My interpretation of Geng’s move is that he wants to sever ties alltogether. Nam Gyuri made the same moves, talked about her hardships and that she doesn’t make enough money from Seeya, hoping to get sympathy of fans but it kind of failed. She is the face of the group and gets all the benefits of Seeya so its really difficult for the people to sympathize. I am not saying that Geng is a completely selfish person but I don’t believe that his motives are for SJ’s best interest. And the fact that the follow-up press releases is about his kidney condition just smells PR spin especially they choose to release it now. Whether it’s true or not is not the question but you can’t deny the obvious PR spin, to paint HanGeng as the poor sick victim and SM as the big, bad wolf. I am just waiting for SM to start their own PR spin because so far all we’re getting are PR spins from Geng’s camp. And SM fights way dirtier so I hope HanGeng’s camp is prepared, since it’s gonna be nasty once the gloves come off. The true victim is SJ/SJM.
honestly, I can’t wait to hear SM’s side on this. i want to believe geng’s side and i feel sorry for him having to work when he’s sick, but it doesn’t make sense to me that kibum was excused from ss2 activities because of his broken leg. kyu was excused from activities in 2007 when he had an accident, and so was heechul and leeteuk. maybe he didn’t present enough medical evidence for sm to approve his request to take a leave? maybe they couldn’t find anyone to replace him in the group at that time? idk.
So you’re saying the only way you can take a break is if you’ve broken a limb or phyically in pieces? Ever since I heard that members of f(x) had to perform a week straight after getting swine flu. I knew sm were overworking them. Sure the doctor said they were recovered. But the doctor also tells patients to take it easy after recovering from NORMAL flu. I don’t know how much these guys are getting paid. But it’s not worth it, if you don’t even live long enough to enjoy it.
i think the main reason is his health.
i just read a story post illustrating how Han Geng collapsed backwards and shaked before a performance. His manager didn’t call for an ambulance after hearing HG whisper I’m OK. He continued to perform after.